EPTAnd all the other black projects? Will people know how much is being poured into those experiments?
Also get rid of the Central bank...
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GWBushJr
Canada35 Posts
And all the other black projects? Will people know how much is being poured into those experiments? Also get rid of the Central bank... | ||
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Stereotype
United States136 Posts
On January 06 2011 16:27 Scruffy wrote: So basically, what I'm saying is....make government smaller. The people will make things right (if we can/deserve to), not the government. I'm just praying everyone with an "R" by their name doesn't blow it this time. Seems like we have a younger/more libertarian leaning group than in year's past. I'm counting on people like Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Allen West, etc. to do what they promised. I will fight them tooth and nail if they don't. ALLEN WEST, REALLY? This guy is just, wow I don't know. He, just today, criticized the president for landing in Afghanistan during cover of darkness. How dare we try and protect the POTUS? He probably didn't even have any say in the matter anyways. Not to mention every president ever has had their foreign movements into hostile territory shrouded in secrecy, including West's idolized Bush/Cheney presidency. Also, he claims to have a higher level of security clearance than the POTUS. (Section on West starts at around 2:00). Discharged from the interrogation unit because he was too over-zealous and his superiors were uncertain of his level of mental stability. Man I'm sure hoping he does what's right. | ||
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t3hwUn
United States90 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote: You don't get it. Politicians work for the public interest. Their job is to help the country. When they don't, it means they are corrupted, and if all of them are corrupted, your political system is bad (and your political system IS bad as it is financed by private interest which is ludicrous: corruption is structural to your conception of democracy). Companies work for their shareholders. They are supposed to make a lot of money at any cost, very quickly. Period. That's not about being evil. That's the way it is. Most of the time, that means, fucking everybody, including their customers, and evrybody in the country, in the ass. If your butthole doesn't hurt, maybe you should really think why americans are so fucking huge, why you have nearly 1% people in jail in your country, why you are doing illegal war for no geopolitical good reason where thousand of your people are dying every year, why your population is so incredibly uneducated, etc etc etc etc All of theses are not because of government, believe me. And when it is, it is because your government work for private interest. And not for you. You just take the problem backward. No kind sir, your ignorant post shows that YOU clearly don't get it. Politicians are supposed to work for the public interest but that is unfortunately not the case in America today. Hence a sweep of the legislative branch of our government and control to the more fiscally responsible choice in our two party system. Companies are supposed to make a lot of money and that's the point of capitalism (THE GREAT SCARY EVIL MONSTER). There are companies all over the world that do not have consumer's best interests in mind, but fortunately in our society the consumers choose which companies thrive through their purchases. You're getting fucked in the ass giving up the majority of your paycheck. Maybe you need to open your eyes. Don't even start this trolling retarded shit. Americans are so fucking huge? Get over yourself please. ZOMG WE HAVE JAILS!!! Not even going to address that. Illegal wars? Uneducated? More troll topics. Maybe before you post on TL you should act more educated than a 17 year old. And again let me assure you that your mighty EU does not work too well for you good sir. I feel sorry for countries like Germany that got sucked into that madness. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:07 Biff The Understudy wrote: You don't get it. Politicians work for the public interest. Their job is to help the country. When they don't, it means they are corrupted, and if all of them are corrupted, your political system is bad (and your political system IS bad as it is financed by private interest which is ludicrous: corruption is structural to your conception of democracy). Companies work for their shareholders. They are supposed to make a lot of money at any cost, very quickly. Period. That's not about being evil. That's the way it is. Most of the time, that means, fucking everybody, including their customers, and evrybody in the country, in the ass. If your butthole doesn't hurt, maybe you should really think why americans are so fucking huge, why you have nearly 1% people in jail in your country, why you are doing illegal war where thousand of your people are dying every year, why your population is so incredibly uneducated, etc etc etc etc All of theses are not because of government, believe me. And when it is, it is because your government work for private interest. And not for you. The governments works for the interest of it's people? Name one country where the government itself was the one to promote more freedoms and rights and liberties. Name one country where the government helped the economy instead of screwing it. Name a single leader who ran a country of 300 million people and didn't have a single self-motivation for power. There is none. Government is evil. Not always by intention or design, but because man is evil. Humans are greedy, lieing, cheating, and disloyal. For example, Obama might truly believe that everything he is doing is for the good of the United states and may be well intentioned, but he doesn't write the laws. He might really think that what he is doing will benefit america, but he is willing to trade liberty for security in everything from the military to personal cell phones. I freaking love my country. Food is cheap, the average wealth is high, and people are generally let alone to live however they want. The only thing i worry about is yes, corporations are very powerful, but a by product of corporations is a significantly higher standard of living. As long as there do not exists barriers to be competitive with those corporations, then they aren't corrupt. The moment the government creates subsidies or laws restricting companies and raising the barriers to entry, then corporations will become more powerful. France on the other hand is terrible. The labor laws make it impossible to hire new graduates and gives no incentive for workers to work harder. Laws against religions and internal corruption are rampant in france. In general, big business is better than big government for 2 reasons. 1. Big business do not have the threat of force. They cannot make you purchase their goods. 2. Their products end up helping the economy and create jobs. Sure mcdonalds might be a huge corporation, but it means that people save a ton of money on food. Of course in a perfect society mcdonalds wouldn't exist because profit margins would be significantly too low, but the future of economics has to do with accessibility to price information. The more aware the public is to pricing, the more likely they are to make better purchasing decisions lowering the profits of those companies that make a huge margin of profit. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
I'm not going to pretend to know too much about politics, but I do believe I have enough common sense to look at our system, and know its not working, as I'm sure many of you (left-wingers and right-wingers) will agree. I feel like the fault lies on both sides for being too stubborn to ever sit down and have a civil discussion with each other, that doesn't involve copious amounts of mud-slinging. Until we can all get our heads out of our asses and be willing to listen to what the other has to say, our country will not improve. As an aside, I would like to say that as far as recent presidents go, in the current political environment, its going to be very difficult for anyone to accomplish anything, so all they can really be judged on is how they present themselves to the public as a leader. On that note, and only taking public presentation into consideration, I think that Bush failed, and Obama is succeeding. TLDR: Bipartisanship is killing us, we need to stop being so stubborn as a nation, and the president in this political environment is merely a figurehead. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7792 Posts
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t3hwUn
United States90 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Oh my God... Way to continue to troll this discussion. Back to the discussion On January 07 2011 04:27 ryanAnger wrote: TLDR: Bipartisanship is killing us, we need to stop being so stubborn as a nation, and the president in this political environment is merely a figurehead. Agreed. But the problem is we have to get spending under control NOW and hopefully the republican party can finally unite and get their shit together for the people. Our government has lost the respect of the people and that is a fundamental problem. Think the "recession" has happened already and is curbing? Wait until all of this bloated spending gets under control. Unfortunately that is the way it needs to be. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Oh my God... Like I said, you have a completely different understanding of the philosophy of american politics. European politics generally assume that the role of government includes the general welfare of it's citizens. American politics do not. Individualism vs collectivism. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7792 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:28 t3hwUn wrote: Way to continue to troll this discussion. I hope you get banned. Not very nice. I haven't trolled anybody. | ||
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: Oh my God... You should consider not further replying, You are just giving a troll credit while risking getting banned in the process. He will just continue to derail the topic, ignore your points, or if you correct his mistakes move on to the next topic. Classic troll behaviour, not worth your time or your account. Nothing good can come from this. | ||
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Droodjerky
United States76 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:23 t3hwUn wrote: No kind sir, your ignorant post shows that YOU clearly don't get it. Politicians are supposed to work for the public interest but that is unfortunately not the case in America today. Hence a sweep of the legislative branch of our government and control to the more fiscally responsible choice in our two party system. Companies are supposed to make a lot of money and that's the point of capitalism (THE GREAT SCARY EVIL MONSTER). There are companies all over the world that do not have consumer's best interests in mind, but fortunately in our society the consumers choose which companies thrive through their purchases. You're getting fucked in the ass giving up the majority of your paycheck. Maybe you need to open your eyes. Don't even start this trolling retarded shit. Americans are so fucking huge? Get over yourself please. ZOMG WE HAVE JAILS!!! Not even going to address that. Illegal wars? Uneducated? More troll topics. Maybe before you post on TL you should act more educated than a 17 year old. And again let me assure you that your mighty EU does not work too well for you good sir. I feel sorry for countries like Germany that got sucked into that madness. It's a misconception (a very large one) that our choice in products effects corporations. The fact is that a hand-full or corporations own pretty much everything. Crops for example, they are 90+% Monsanto owned. Dog food, that's 90+% all one company. This is how it works with pretty much every product. You should understand that the consumers are quite well brainwashed. The countries money is controlled LITERALLY by private interests. The Federal Reserve is in no way government run. The Fed is also where a majority of taxes go. Basically, you pay your taxes to corporations. The continual state of war (declared or not) the US has been in for decades is great for the few corporations that already fun everything; and terrible for the common man. Wars of aggression are illegal in international law. They are literally war crimes and the US is quite guilty. I'd almost go as far to say that corporations intentionally keep people ignorant. Fox News, corporate run Tea Party (it's run by 2 billionaires, mostly), fake news stories distributed among other news stations, etc... The US also has the largest percent of it's people in jail. This is not a troll topic, it's a valid issue to bring up. Although, I fully admit I lack the knowledge to discuss this topic. BTW, admitting you lack the knowledge to discuss something is what you should have done before you posted. It would have saved a lot of ignorance from being spewed. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:26 darmousseh wrote: The governments works for the interest of it's people? Name one country where the government itself was the one to promote more freedoms and rights and liberties. ...? On January 07 2011 04:26 darmousseh wrote: The only thing i worry about is yes, corporations are very powerful, but a by product of corporations is a significantly higher standard of living. As long as there do not exists barriers to be competitive with those corporations, then they aren't corrupt. ... ??? On January 07 2011 04:26 darmousseh wrote: In general, big business is better than big government for 2 reasons. 1. Big business do not have the threat of force. They cannot make you purchase their goods. ... ??? ??? I'm sorry, could I politely request that you elucidate on these declarations? Perhaps offer some evidence or contrasting examples as to why you feel these statements are accurate? | ||
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crayhasissues
United States682 Posts
I read that and I knew you were brainwashed. You know nothing of the Tea Party. Only what the MSM feeds you. I'd say you are unintentionally ignorant. Also, can we get some examples of "fake news stories", like maybe from foxnews.com or something? " This is how it works with pretty much every product." WRONG. You obviously haven't read much market share data. Most products are quite fragmented. | ||
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t3hwUn
United States90 Posts
On January 07 2011 04:50 Droodjerky wrote: It's a misconception (a very large one) that our choice in products effects corporations. The fact is that a hand-full or corporations own pretty much everything. Crops for example, they are 90+% Monsanto owned. Dog food, that's 90+% all one company. This is how it works with pretty much every product. You should understand that the consumers are quite well brainwashed. The countries money is controlled LITERALLY by private interests. The Federal Reserve is in no way government run. The Fed is also where a majority of taxes go. Basically, you pay your taxes to corporations. The continual state of war (declared or not) the US has been in for decades is great for the few corporations that already fun everything; and terrible for the common man. Wars of aggression are illegal in international law. They are literally war crimes and the US is quite guilty. I'd almost go as far to say that corporations intentionally keep people ignorant. Fox News, corporate run Tea Party (it's run by 2 billionaires, mostly), fake news stories distributed among other news stations, etc... The US also has the largest percent of it's people in jail. This is not a troll topic, it's a valid issue to bring up. Although, I fully admit I lack the knowledge to discuss this topic. BTW, admitting you lack the knowledge to discuss something is what you should have done before you posted. It would have saved a lot of ignorance from being spewed. It's like hitting my head against a brick wall. From this day forth no more politcal talk on TL for me. Apparently you all have it figured out. Good day brilliant logical thinkers. /end sarcasm | ||
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Droodjerky
United States76 Posts
On January 07 2011 05:00 Scruffy wrote: "I'd almost go as far to say that corporations intentionally keep people ignorant. Fox News, corporate run Tea Party (it's run by 2 billionaires, mostly), fake news stories distributed among other news stations, etc..." I read that and I knew you were brainwashed. You know nothing of the Tea Party. Only what the MSM feeds you. I'd say you are unintentionally ignorant. Also, can we get some examples of "fake news stories", like maybe from foxnews.com or something? " This is how it works with pretty much every product." WRONG. You obviously haven't read much market share data. Most products are quite fragmented. Perhaps the Tea Party comment is deserving of a better explanation. The Koch brothers put large sums of money into promoting the Tea Party. Ads, busing their employees to rallies, promoting candidates, etc... I think it's fair to say that they have a large role in running the Tea Party. Although, yes, there is a portion that is the normal populace. It wouldn't a very good investment if it didn't work to get real people behind it. You can turn on FoxNews and get spin any time of day. The lead into the Iraq/Afgan wars would be a large example of fake news as well. However, that would be government spin. Unless you go so far as to include Haliburtan and others as possible culprits of the lies. That does come off as conspiratorial, but it does seem to be were the data points. And your last issue; Most industries are run by very few large corporations. They sell they're products under many different names. This includes the products that are sold under store labels. It doesn't help that there is almost 0 education in this unless you go to school explicitly to learn about it, or do your own research. | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On January 07 2011 05:00 Scruffy wrote: "I'd almost go as far to say that corporations intentionally keep people ignorant. Fox News, corporate run Tea Party (it's run by 2 billionaires, mostly), fake news stories distributed among other news stations, etc..." I read that and I knew you were brainwashed. You know nothing of the Tea Party. Only what the MSM feeds you. I'd say you are unintentionally ignorant. Also, can we get some examples of "fake news stories", like maybe from foxnews.com or something? " This is how it works with pretty much every product." WRONG. You obviously haven't read much market share data. Most products are quite fragmented. I don't know about the rest of that crap, but recently fox news posted an Onion article as news. http://www.mediaite.com/online/foxnation-com-repurposes-anti-obama-article-from-the-onion-forgets-to-mention-its-a-joke/ | ||
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t3hwUn
United States90 Posts
On January 07 2011 05:46 huameng wrote: I don't know about the rest of that crap, but recently fox news posted an Onion article as news. http://www.mediaite.com/online/foxnation-com-repurposes-anti-obama-article-from-the-onion-forgets-to-mention-its-a-joke/ lol you got trolled by foxnews. Learn to politics d00d User was warned for this post | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On January 07 2011 01:08 Biff The Understudy wrote: Right wingers policy are always designed for an elite. Therefore, they need to scare people so that even people who don't have any interest (98% of the population) vote for them. We had exactly the same with Sarkozy, except that the target is not "socialism" but immigrants. French racism is generated by our governments and our medias so that people vote for policies which fuck them in the ass for the benefit of banks, corporations and their shareholders. But oh, folks, the most important is that we kick arabs out of here, right? This is pretty spot on. I've always been amazed at how so many poorer working class conservative folks continually vote for policies that remove/shrink public services. We have such a goddamn collective boner for the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality in this country. It's an incredible feat of fear to keep the masses voting against their personal interests, accomplished through several means; religion, (OMG MUSLIMS INVADING OUR COUNTRY), race, (OMG MEXICANS INVADING OUR COUNTRY), or political views, (LIBERALS HATE AMERICA AND YOU BY EXTENSION). This ideological bullcrap about "socialism" in US is just hilarious. Obama is everything in the world but a socialist. But old good irrational ignorant fear of the "red" is what keep Republican going since 50 years, no reason to stop now even if it doesn't make any sense. Especially when you have brainless zombie army such as Fox News as mainstream medias. I wish Obama were a socialist, lol. The word doesn't even make sense in modern American politics. We have no real understanding of its meaning, and if you listen to most of the media, you'd think such policies would destroy society overnight. We're an incredibly divided nation. I didn't realize how sincerely some people held their beliefs until I recently moved up to Alaska. This is a really conservative area, and I've learned a lot debating with my friend's parents. They sincerely believe in creationism. They sincerely believe that the States have a negative carbon footprint, (because of all our wetlands apparently), and that environmental policies are a hoax to "hamper American profits". They sincerely believe Obama is a Muslim terrorist. I got my friend's mother to admit that if it were up to her, "We'd build the goddamn Berlin Wall from California to Texas to keep all the f***ing spics out." These people exist, and they vote. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
The Tea Party is a republican front, funded by rich republicans and made up of racists and uncle toms (see Alan West) Anyone who mentions socialism and doesn't follow with the words Marx or Sweden is clearly a moron and doesn't know two shits about history or politics. | ||
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[Eternal]Phoenix
United States333 Posts
On January 07 2011 05:39 t3hwUn wrote: It's like hitting my head against a brick wall. From this day forth no more politcal talk on TL for me. Apparently you all have it figured out. Good day brilliant logical thinkers. /end sarcasm Yah I'm done in this topic too. I think we've all presented enough reasonable arguments that anyone who continues to post that kind of garbage is wasting our time. It's one thing to look at data and interpret wrongly/differently. It's another thing to spew crap across the room at mach 2 because they can't contain their bullshit. When people make claims like that without evidence the best thing to do is ignore it, and that's what I'm going to do. | ||
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