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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 06 2011 01:42 GMT
#1
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/05/the-new-republican-rules/

The New Republican Rules
Posted by ALEX ALTMAN Wednesday, January 5, 2011 at 8:14 pm
1 Comment • Related Topics: congress, democrats, federal budget, government, john boehner
After the ceremonies and standing ovations died down, the new Republican House majority did get around to some crucial business today. By a straight party-line vote, the House approved a new rules package for the 112th Congress, 240-191.

Republicans say passing the new package--a right granted by the Constitution--will foster openness and transparency and help curtail wasteful spending. There are nods to the Tea Party's "Contract From America," including the provision that each bill must cite its constitutional authority and others that specify minimum time requirements that the text of a bill or amendment must be available before being acted upon. Whereas in the past, the federal debt ceiling would rise automatically when a budget resolution to borrow more money was adopted, now such a measure will force a vote--one that's like to spark internal strife when Tea Party deficit hawks balk.

Perhaps most importantly, the budget rules include a major shift in strategy, from a policy known as "Pay as You Go" -- a system that tries to control the budget by requiring by requiring tax cuts or spending increases to be offset, and which was in place during the Clinton Administration surplus -- to a "Cut as You Go" model, which requires spending to be offset but spares tax cuts from that requirement. The bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget has a full run-down and analysis, citing both positive budget-related provisions (the focus on curbing long- and short-term spending) and the ones with the potential to do serious damage.

Exempting tax cuts, as the report notes, will make it much harder to balance the budget; cutting spending alone does little good if there's a corresponding loss in revenue. The rules also vest an enormous amount of power in Paul Ryan, the Wisconsin deficit hawk who will helm the Budget Committee, enabling Ryan to set spending limits essentially by fiat. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute writes:

[There is a] provision in the rules to deputize the chairman of the House Budget Committee to unilaterally create spending and revenue limits and caps by committee and enact them simply by publishing them in the Congressional Record.

This is breathtaking: It demolishes the Congressional budget process in one fell swoop, and it takes away the accountability, openness and deliberation that a regular budget process provides. This is the opposite of accountability; Members, by voting in lockstep to enact a package of rules, will implicitly vote for a budget they have never seen. It will be binding in the House.

When individual appropriations come up, any proposal that changes the edicts of Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) by restoring cuts in spending will be ruled out of order. Dramatic and Draconian budget cuts without votes or debate. That is the new open and deliberative House?

Ryan has indicated he'll roll back non-security discretionary spending to 2008 levels--which would prompt deep cuts in most other areas, potentially creating friction with Senate Republicans. After promising in the Pledge to America to cull $100 billion in waste in year one, Republicans are now cutting that number in half. Democrats argue that their new rules are rife with hypocrisies, underlining the gap between the GOP's rhetoric on fiscal discipline and the reality.

"This rules package shows Republicans already going back on their promises of fiscal responsibility and of a transparent, open Congress," Steny Hoyer, the Democratic whip, said on the floor Wednesday. At a press conference yesterday, Democratic leadership argued the rules would "explode" the deficit; Rep. Chris Van Hollen, Ryan's foil as the committee's ranking member, argued that GOP "budget gimmicks" amounted to "Enron-style accounting," a charge he repeated during today's floor debate. Exhibit A, he said Tuesday, was their first major piece of legislation, the health-care repeal effort. As I wrote, the GOP dismissed the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimate that the PPACA would slash the deficit by $143 billion through 2019, and the repeal legislation identifies no counterweight to that sum. "That kind of flim-flam," Van Hollen said, "is the kind of thing the American people came to expect the last time they were in charge."



Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/05/the-new-republican-rules/#ixzz1ADPBspsu


Republicans took control and layed out their agenda.

Sort of scared what the tea-partiers will do, wish we had some more moderate republicans in there. They all got killed by the tea party

In any case, they've talked about what their gaols are: will they reach them, and would that even be a good thing?
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 02:01:18
January 06 2011 02:00 GMT
#2
You can't cut the deficit AND cut taxes AND spend retarded amounts of money funding stupid wars and throwing all our taxpayer money into the military all at the same time.

The tea party is such a joke the majority of them are idiots like the ones who wrote this bill. How can you lower the deficit while also cutting taxes for everyone (especially the richest 2% of people ya lets make sure they have as much money as possible). At least the democrats are up front about how they want to pay for all this crap, the republicans are such hypocrites. Although i think the hypocrisy is mostly unconscious since 95% of them in the government are just bat shit stupid.

And so now the house doesn't get to deliberate on our budget because its created by some small committee and doesn't get voted on? Why would anyone think that is a good idea...


lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 02:22:30
January 06 2011 02:22 GMT
#3
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t3hwUn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States90 Posts
January 06 2011 02:24 GMT
#4
Wow I love how TL hates on right wingers... I get flamed for being a troll for posting unpopular political opinions elsewhere and then I read this... Fail.

And to get back on topic +1 for no more obama socialist policies. If I wanted to live in Europe I'd move there...

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HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
January 06 2011 02:41 GMT
#5
I'm in DC right now and saw them getting sworn in. Shit is about to go down. The Senate has an empowered minority but the House does not. Luckily shit still has to pass in both houses and Obama is still ready to veto when necessary.
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HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
January 06 2011 02:43 GMT
#6
The only thing I'm really worried about is the debt limit being held hostage. That could have disastrous effects for interest rates and inflation or even defaulting on our loans to countries like China. It gets a lot more complex than that but it is still some scary stuff seeing our economic plan and status in jeopardy.
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 06 2011 03:22 GMT
#7
On January 06 2011 11:24 t3hwUn wrote:
Wow I love how TL hates on right wingers... I get flamed for being a troll for posting unpopular political opinions elsewhere and then I read this... Fail.

And to get back on topic +1 for no more obama socialist policies. If I wanted to live in Europe I'd move there...

Hmm. Sorry the first article isn't neutral. I can't seem to find anything that isn't full of shit lol.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 03:28:13
January 06 2011 03:27 GMT
#8
Oh wait voting Tea Party was a terrible idea?

As a conservative I'm afraid/nervous to see what's going to happen with this Republican Congress. Between November and now the political atmosphere has been changing and it has become more of a us vs them battle than ever before.
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Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
January 06 2011 03:35 GMT
#9
On January 06 2011 11:24 t3hwUn wrote:
Wow I love how TL hates on right wingers... I get flamed for being a troll for posting unpopular political opinions elsewhere and then I read this... Fail.

And to get back on topic +1 for no more obama socialist policies. If I wanted to live in Europe I'd move there...

the word "socialist" gets thrown around waaaaaay too much. problem with people like you is that all you do is throw around talking points and cover your ears whenever people say anything rational.

what has obama done that can be classified as "socialist"?
jonezhou
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2 Posts
January 06 2011 03:35 GMT
#10
We have no ways for this!
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 06 2011 03:37 GMT
#11
On January 06 2011 12:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Oh wait voting Tea Party was a terrible idea?

As a conservative I'm afraid/nervous to see what's going to happen with this Republican Congress. Between November and now the political atmosphere has been changing and it has become more of a us vs them battle than ever before.

yeah, I'm pretty scared.

Nothing inherently wrong with tea party, but :/
tso
Profile Joined April 2010
United States132 Posts
January 06 2011 03:39 GMT
#12
On January 06 2011 12:37 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 12:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Oh wait voting Tea Party was a terrible idea?

As a conservative I'm afraid/nervous to see what's going to happen with this Republican Congress. Between November and now the political atmosphere has been changing and it has become more of a us vs them battle than ever before.

yeah, I'm pretty scared.

Nothing inherently wrong with tea party, but :/



well i don't know about that..
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jorge_the_awesome
Profile Joined January 2011
United States463 Posts
January 06 2011 03:40 GMT
#13
On January 06 2011 12:35 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 11:24 t3hwUn wrote:
Wow I love how TL hates on right wingers... I get flamed for being a troll for posting unpopular political opinions elsewhere and then I read this... Fail.

And to get back on topic +1 for no more obama socialist policies. If I wanted to live in Europe I'd move there...

the word "socialist" gets thrown around waaaaaay too much. problem with people like you is that all you do is throw around talking points and cover your ears whenever people say anything rational.

what has obama done that can be classified as "socialist"?


I like how some republicans have even called him a Nazi and a socialist in the same sentence. (not in this article).
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 03:51:31
January 06 2011 03:41 GMT
#14
On January 06 2011 11:24 t3hwUn wrote:
Wow I love how TL hates on right wingers... I get flamed for being a troll for posting unpopular political opinions elsewhere and then I read this... Fail.

And to get back on topic +1 for no more obama socialist policies. If I wanted to live in Europe I'd move there...

If you call Obama a Socialist you know NOTHING about what he's done in office.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 03:42:41
January 06 2011 03:41 GMT
#15
On January 06 2011 12:39 tso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 12:37 Froadac wrote:
On January 06 2011 12:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Oh wait voting Tea Party was a terrible idea?

As a conservative I'm afraid/nervous to see what's going to happen with this Republican Congress. Between November and now the political atmosphere has been changing and it has become more of a us vs them battle than ever before.

yeah, I'm pretty scared.

Nothing inherently wrong with tea party, but :/



well i don't know about that..

Tea party wants to do good things. Are these things good? Will it turn out well? But just because somebody identifies with tea party ideals doesn't mean they are stupid or evil.

Well, alright

tea party ideals aren't inherently evil. Misthought? maybe The party is, but no more than any other party.


The point obama is moving towards socialism is reasonable, and defendable. But that we're anywhere close to a socialism is not.
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
January 06 2011 03:51 GMT
#16
And then there's the flawed notion that Socialism is the big scary terrible horrible awful no good very bad doom-of-the-country in the first place.
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happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
January 06 2011 03:52 GMT
#17
On January 06 2011 11:00 funnybananaman wrote:
You can't cut the deficit AND cut taxes AND spend retarded amounts of money funding stupid wars and throwing all our taxpayer money into the military all at the same time.


Too true.

I don't hate the tea party or anything. I believe we need to get out of debt and taxes should be as low as possible, but the wars we are in are by far the biggest burden to the budget. I don't see why conservatives can't see this.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 06 2011 03:55 GMT
#18
On January 06 2011 12:52 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 11:00 funnybananaman wrote:
You can't cut the deficit AND cut taxes AND spend retarded amounts of money funding stupid wars and throwing all our taxpayer money into the military all at the same time.


Too true.

I don't hate the tea party or anything. I believe we need to get out of debt and taxes should be as low as possible, but the wars we are in are by far the biggest burden to the budget. I don't see why conservatives can't see this.

I do

Everyone bundles conservatives in one big ignorant group

qq
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
January 06 2011 03:57 GMT
#19
On January 06 2011 11:24 t3hwUn wrote:
Wow I love how TL hates on right wingers... I get flamed for being a troll for posting unpopular political opinions elsewhere and then I read this... Fail.

And to get back on topic +1 for no more obama socialist policies. If I wanted to live in Europe I'd move there...


What's funny is that Obama is about as socialist as Sarkozy...
[Eternal]Phoenix
Profile Joined December 2010
United States333 Posts
January 06 2011 04:04 GMT
#20
On January 06 2011 12:41 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 12:39 tso wrote:
On January 06 2011 12:37 Froadac wrote:
On January 06 2011 12:27 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Oh wait voting Tea Party was a terrible idea?

As a conservative I'm afraid/nervous to see what's going to happen with this Republican Congress. Between November and now the political atmosphere has been changing and it has become more of a us vs them battle than ever before.

yeah, I'm pretty scared.

Nothing inherently wrong with tea party, but :/



well i don't know about that..

Tea party wants to do good things. Are these things good? Will it turn out well? But just because somebody identifies with tea party ideals doesn't mean they are stupid or evil.

Well, alright

tea party ideals aren't inherently evil. Misthought? maybe The party is, but no more than any other party.


The point obama is moving towards socialism is reasonable, and defendable. But that we're anywhere close to a socialism is not.


Listen. Everyone who identifies the tea party as a single entity should honestly be banned from further discussions because they don't know what they're talking about.

The "tea party" movement is just a name for the general grassroots gathering of moderate and conservative Americans who believe the country is headed in the wrong direction and that current Republicans (and democrats) are incapable of resolving the issue. Tea Parties as they are called are meetings whereby like-minded people share their common interest in changing the direction America is headed in.

The movement is not a unified group seeking election of people it chooses. It is not even a group with a uniform agenda. It is a collection of people with similar, but not identical views on the major problems in America - these being: big gov't, heavy spending, socialist policy shifts, and others. The major emphasis of all tea party movements is a dramatic cut on spending on gov't. It's actually closer to a libertarian movement than a truly right wing one, though what we're seeing is that the candidates who are the most controversial (i.e. heavy right wing religious people) are getting the most press (which, lets face it, is extremely liberal and has a liberal leaning in all reports, with the exception of Fox). Therefore, the public thinks the tea-party movement is full of racists, bigots, religions nuts, and extremists. In fact the movement is 99.9% average Americans who have a legitimate concern about our gov't and the direction its heading.

My grandparents have been to nearly every tea-party event in the DC area. They used to vote democrat 30 years ago. Democrat vs republican no longer means what it used to. It's not about civil rights anymore. It's about socialism vs capitalism and big gov't regulation and centralization vs federalism, small gov't, and the free market.

As for the situation in Congress - the Republicans have a very tough role to fill, and the Democrats have a choice. Obama can pull a Clinton and just cede authority to the Republican congress and let them pass what they want in order to make it look like he's both more moderate (which might make him reelectable, as per Clinton) and like he's accomplishing something. On the other hand he can veto every single thing possible and lock down Congress and create basically what is a 2 year lame duck period where gov't almost shuts down. He can try to spin it like Republicans are blocking the Democrats from doing anything, but I think that time has passed and the American people won't stand for it. (In addition, it actually isn't even possible for that to occur, since all bills will originate within a Republican house and will be killed by democrats).

Either way, the era of democrat control is over, and all they can do now is damage control. If they really want power back, they need to make a massive shift towards the right and become more moderate. It's clear that both parties are severely polarized, and IMO the party that chooses to identify itself as moderate first is the one that will have power (as it should be).

If both parties continue to polarize, I think we may finally see a shift from 2 party politics given a strong enough independent candidate.
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