Ya but deism is a belief, not a religion. Religions are a set of beliefs based on creation and origin but also have rites and practices associated with it.

never call it a relgion
?

DTown

United States428 Posts

September 20 2010 04:47 GMT

#42

On September 20 2010 13:41 MasterDana wrote:
Pretty sure agnostic and atheist are the same thing.

OK, fine. If this is what you believe, then add the two categories in the poll together in your head. Problems solved!!

:D

Shatter

United States1401 Posts

September 20 2010 04:47 GMT

#43

On September 20 2010 13:45 njnick wrote:

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never call it a relgion
?

Well then how were you addressing my post? I was just wondering why believing in god=religious in the OP. I guess I got confused on what you were pointing out.

mikehall683

United States159 Posts

September 20 2010 04:50 GMT

#44

I chose undecided because I believe I'm to young to make a decision on what I'm going to believe in for the rest of my life. So one might call that agnostic, but I dislike labeling.

njnick

United States176 Posts

September 20 2010 04:50 GMT

#45

On September 20 2010 13:47 Shatter wrote:

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Well then how were you addressing my post? I was just wondering why believing in god=religious in the OP. I guess I got confused on what you were pointing out.

I was pointing out what definition of “god” the guy I quoted would fall under. Sry if I wasn’t clear

DTown

United States428 Posts

September 20 2010 04:51 GMT

#46

On September 20 2010 13:47 Shatter wrote:

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Well then how were you addressing my post? I was just wondering why believing in god=religious in the OP. I guess I got confused on what you were pointing out.

Once again, do not take what I wrote in the OP to be the end-all-be-all of what I am trying to say. If I erroneously equated believing in god to religion in the OP, then so be it. I still think everyone here should be able to choose an answer in the poll that reasonably approximates their religious belief system. The idea is not to nitpick and point out every little aspect of theology, but to try to get an over-arching consensus of the religious identification of the TL community. With that, I'm done attempting to defend my thread, lol. Flame away!

waxypants

United States479 Posts

September 20 2010 04:51 GMT

#47

Poll is broken. Agnosticism is not on the same plane as atheism and theism. Agnosticism deals with knowledge. An agnostic believes that is impossible to KNOW whether there is a God or not. Any reasonable person is an agnostic. Atheism/theism deal with belief. An atheist is a person who lacks a belief in a God. That is all atheism says about the person. An atheist does NOT have to claim to KNOW that there is no God, but they can claim that if they want to. Most people who call themselves "atheist" are really atheist-agnostic. In addition, I believe that even most of the people who say they "know" that there is no God are really just atheist-agnostics as well -- they mean that they "know" there is no God in the same way that a Christian "knows" that the FSM doesn't exist. Most people that call themselves agnostics are really atheists because they LACK the belief in a God, and that is the only requirement to be an atheist. There is no middle zone for belief. I think they call themselves agnostics because they don't like the negative connotation of the word "atheist", or they just don't know what the words really mean (or both).

Mindcrime

United States6899 Posts

September 20 2010 04:53 GMT

#48

On September 20 2010 13:51 waxypants wrote:
Poll is broken. Agnosticism is not on the same plane as the atheism and theism.

this

Similarly, theism/atheism are not equivalent to religious/irreligious as the poll implies.

dOofuS

United States342 Posts

September 20 2010 04:53 GMT

#49

I'm a Latter-Day Saint, or in more common slang, Mormon. Served a full-time two year mission for my church in the Halifax, Canada mission, which encompasses all the maritime provinces and Aroostook County Maine.

Droodjerky

United States76 Posts

September 20 2010 04:54 GMT

#50

On September 20 2010 13:50 mikehall683 wrote:
I chose undecided because I believe I'm to young to make a decision on what I'm going to believe in for the rest of my life. So one might call that agnostic, but I dislike labeling.

Ok, so you have no belief in a god and you don't believe there is no god. By definition you are an Atheist.

And yes, labels suck. Unless they are for denoting poison, or something flammable.

0neder

United States3733 Posts

September 20 2010 04:56 GMT

#51

On September 20 2010 13:32 Carefoot wrote:
Atheist I guess but I'd prefer anti-theist or "sane" would have done just nicely.

Hey, let's be friendly here. We don't need to insult people for their beliefs, especially those whose beliefs inspire them to do good, help others, etc.

Terranist

United States2496 Posts

September 20 2010 04:56 GMT

#52

this threads primed to turn into a religious shitstorm. in fact, you can apply religion to any discussion and it'll turn into a shitstorm. (athiest)

Droodjerky

United States76 Posts

September 20 2010 04:57 GMT

#53

On September 20 2010 13:56 0neder wrote:

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Hey, let's be friendly here. We don't need to insult people for their beliefs, especially those whose beliefs inspire them to do good, help others, etc.

But they also give a hiding spot for those crazy dudes who blow stuff up or start things like The Crusades :/

Edit: Not that they themselves are going to do those things...

Eskii

Canada544 Posts

September 20 2010 04:58 GMT

#54

Why does the Atheist stance within the Agnostic brackets have an affirmative claim?

imBLIND

United States2626 Posts

September 20 2010 04:58 GMT

#55

I like what religion teaches people about morals, ethics, and how to live your life, but I don't believe that there's a true God. At best, it's a symbol of the human soul.

YoureFired

United States822 Posts

September 20 2010 05:00 GMT

#56

I'd say my belief coincides with Deism, at least I believe there had to be a greater power that created the universe at some point or another. However, such a powerful being would care little about such meddlesome primates like us on our over-oxidized planet as we fight over land, life and love.

EvilTeletubby

Baltimore, USA22259 Posts

September 20 2010 05:01 GMT

#57

On September 20 2010 13:56 Terranist wrote:
this threads primed to turn into a religious shitstorm. in fact, you can apply religion to any discussion and it'll turn into a shitstorm. (athiest)

This.

In my 5 years or so modding TL, I've never seen a religion-based thread end well, and this one is already showing some signs. Please take discussions like this off TL.net.