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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/nation/mcchrystal-out-petraeus-picked-for-afghanistan-763992.html
Holy shit. So General McChrystal (head guy in charge in Afghanistan) was just fired by Obama for comments he made in a Rolling Stones article that disparaged the President and his camp's decisions on war.
What do you guys think? I think McChrystal, being top brass, and having been recently in charge of the Pentagon's black ops for 5 years, has to be a pretty calculating guy. I think he did this purposefully as he knew he was facing the prospect of an unwinnable war that he didn't want to be a scapegoat for.
From the article:
Even those who support McChrystal and his strategy of counterinsurgency know that whatever the general manages to accomplish in Afghanistan, it's going to look more like Vietnam than Desert Storm. "It's not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win," says Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, who serves as chief of operations for McChrystal. "This is going to end in an argument."
BTW the article linked above is EXTREMELY interesting... good insight into how crazy (and badly) the whole war is going.
I especially liked this bit:
It doesn't hurt that McChrystal was also extremely successful as head of the Joint Special Operations Command, the elite forces that carry out the government's darkest ops. During the Iraq surge, his team killed and captured thousands of insurgents, including Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. "JSOC was a killing machine," says Maj. Gen. Mayville, his chief of operations. McChrystal was also open to new ways of killing. He systematically mapped out terrorist networks, targeting specific insurgents and hunting them down – often with the help of cyberfreaks traditionally shunned by the military. "The Boss would find the 24-year-old kid with a nose ring, with some fucking brilliant degree from MIT, sitting in the corner with 16 computer monitors humming," says a Special Forces commando who worked with McChrystal in Iraq and now serves on his staff in Kabul. "He'd say, 'Hey – you fucking muscleheads couldn't find lunch without help. You got to work together with these guys.' "
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United States7166 Posts
thanks for this, interested to read this article as well
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Any military serviceman have an opinion on this? I trust your opinion on this more then some news service.
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No debate, it was insubordination no matter how you look at it.
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United States12261 Posts
That's an interesting point about McChrystal not wanting to be scapegoated. Still, there's a need for decorum between the President and his generals in public. He should have known there would be a backlash for what he was saying. What he should have done is resigned and then spoken out against the President as a retired general. I think everyone agrees that we're definitely not in it to win it down there because we're not unleashing the full power of our military, but McChrystal could have chosen a more opportune time to make the remarks that he did.
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Reminds me a bit of the situation involving General MacArthur a long time ago...
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On June 24 2010 03:55 Cleomenes wrote:
Any military serviceman have an opinion on this? I trust your opinion on this more then some news service.
The war is unwinnable, Petreus is a sissy, Obama is black and I'm goooinng streeeeeeaaaaakkking!!11!
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On June 24 2010 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No debate, it was insubordination no matter how you look at it.
You are not in the military, don't make judgments like this.
It was not insubordination, he's the damn general in charge. He can speak his mind however he damn well pleases.
Wtf is happening here, our generals overseas are having to be PC? Fuck this administration, I'm having to join up for 4 years following this next year and this is what I have to look forwards to?
When your man in charge has to fear being sacked over disagreements then all you get is a parrot in charge. Fuckin bullshit is what it is...
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How'd I get screwed into going to this dinner?" Epic first sentence.
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Positions of great influence are mostly political these days.
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McChrystal acted like a celebutante by giving such an interview to such a journal.
He deserves what he gets.
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On June 24 2010 04:03 JinMaikeul wrote:
Reminds me a bit of the situation involving General MacArthur a long time ago...
Not at all like that, MacArthur was dismissed due to criticism of policy not conduct.
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war isnt nearly as bad as that portrays it
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On June 24 2010 04:04 itzbrandnew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No debate, it was insubordination no matter how you look at it. You are not in the military, don't make judgments like this. It was not insubordination, he's the damn general in charge. He can speak his mind however he damn well pleases. Wtf is happening here, our generals overseas are having to be PC? Fuck this administration, I'm having to join up for 4 years following this next year and this is what I have to look forwards to? When your man in charge has to fear being sacked over disagreements then all you get is a parrot in charge. Fuckin bullshit is what it is...
It was insubordination whether I was in the military or not is not the issue, he not only bad mouthed the POTUS but the sec of defense, the vice president and so on. That and he did it publicly and if led to believe he did it on purpose.
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On June 24 2010 04:08 travis wrote:
All positions of great influence are mostly political these days.
Especially the missionary position that I was showin' Ms.Obama last night.
Can I get a HOO RAH
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On June 24 2010 04:09 Sfydjklm wrote:
McChrystal acted like a celebutante by giving such an interview to such a journal.
He deserves what he gets.
I think he knew exactly what he was getting into. I wouldn't be surprised if he runs for President.
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On June 24 2010 04:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 04:04 itzbrandnew wrote:On June 24 2010 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No debate, it was insubordination no matter how you look at it. You are not in the military, don't make judgments like this. It was not insubordination, he's the damn general in charge. He can speak his mind however he damn well pleases. Wtf is happening here, our generals overseas are having to be PC? Fuck this administration, I'm having to join up for 4 years following this next year and this is what I have to look forwards to? When your man in charge has to fear being sacked over disagreements then all you get is a parrot in charge. Fuckin bullshit is what it is... It was insubordination whether I was in the military or not is not the issue, he not only bad mouthed the POTUS but the sec of defense, the vice president and so on. That and he did it publicly and if led to believe he did it on purpose.
Uh it seems you don't quite know what insubordination is.
Insubordination is not following a lawful order given by your commanding officer. This general followed orders so he didn't commit any insubordination.
So yea you being in the military or not seems to be an issue or you'd understand this. You might have a point if it hinged on the fact that a subordinate should never QUESTION a commanding officer but that's something else altogether.
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On June 24 2010 03:55 Cleomenes wrote:
Any military serviceman have an opinion on this? I trust your opinion on this more then some news service.
I'm in the army, and we don't have any special insight on this. We get the same news, and are just as smart/stupid as everyone else.
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On June 24 2010 04:14 Gen.McChrystal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 04:08 travis wrote:
All positions of great influence are mostly political these days. Especially the missionary position that I was showin' Ms.Obama last night. Can I get a HOO RAH
OOH RAH.
On a side note, I talk shit about my commander all the time and it isn't insubordination. It's criticism. People need to get the sand out of their vag and realize this is the fucking MILITARY not some fucking day camp you go to for four years. Fuckin' disgusting
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2010 04:17 bakesale wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 03:55 Cleomenes wrote:
Any military serviceman have an opinion on this? I trust your opinion on this more then some news service. I'm in the army, and we don't have any special insight on this. We get the same news, and are just as smart/stupid as everyone else.
I'd almost go so far as to say we have more idiots who join the military as a last resort type thing.
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On June 24 2010 04:04 itzbrandnew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 04:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No debate, it was insubordination no matter how you look at it. You are not in the military, don't make judgments like this. It was not insubordination, he's the damn general in charge. He can speak his mind however he damn well pleases.
Generally the Brass publicly agrees with the President's plans. Their personal opinion is not really suppose to be heard in the public.
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