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Obsidian
Profile Joined June 2010
United States350 Posts
July 27 2010 17:39 GMT
#521
Well, if you guys can remember back, there was a major stink when the Taliban got pushed into Pakistan from Afghanistan, and they started effectively annexing whole districts at a time, that they could get a hold on a few of the Pakistani nukes, their controls are horribly lax.
Luke, you are still a wanker!
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
July 27 2010 17:52 GMT
#522
obsidian,

i think ur assumptions are taking it too far to assume talibans can "just get the nukes from Pakistan". most countries other than US/Russia only have a handful of nukes anyways.

still, world wide opinion is, the USA is really fucking up this war on terror and WMD witch-hunt.
...from the land of imba
Obsidian
Profile Joined June 2010
United States350 Posts
July 27 2010 18:32 GMT
#523
Well, thanks for not really understanding what I was saying...

I don't think Pakistan would hand nukes over, that's silly. But there was some mention that they might loose control of the Silos that contain them, and granted I doubt the Taliban would have had technical knowledge to make use of that, the very idea is still rather alarming.
Luke, you are still a wanker!
Tempora
Profile Joined July 2010
United States78 Posts
July 27 2010 18:44 GMT
#524
On June 13 2010 02:46 Antiochus wrote:
I would like to say that I was a surprised but i really wasn't after all there has been talk about doing this for a while now.

+ Show Spoiler +


i have absolutley nothing to say about your post. but i believe your quote is possibly the funniest i have seen on TL. kudos.
who macro's? real men 6 pool.
wadadde
Profile Joined February 2009
270 Posts
July 28 2010 01:09 GMT
#525
On July 27 2010 00:13 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 23:52 wadadde wrote:
On July 26 2010 22:47 zatic wrote:
On July 26 2010 22:24 wadadde wrote:

This isn't the Youtube thread.

Anyone who thinks the US is actually going to attack Iran any time soon is just ignorant. No way Mr. Hayden of all people thinks that. His statements are just bluff and propaganda.

You are an american living in Germany, right?
Anyway, he may be delusional but I suspect you're the one who's "ignorant". Maybe you should go back and read the revelations of Seymour Hersh about what people within the military were telling him back in 2004. I haven't read any of his stuff recently.. I guess I'll go check for that right now so I can tell people who don't know shit what they don't even want to consider...
One more question.. Am I not allowed to post relevant video in this thread. It's not my desire to break any rules, I just think it might be interesting to crawl out of our own assholes in the search for truth. Just a thought.

Well you are definitely German by your posting.

I don't care what people were saying in 2004 and I don't know why you think it is relevant. The US is not going to attack Iran any time soon, and Mr. Hayder knows that well enough. If you disagree and think they will go ahead fine, but unless war actually breaks out I'll be right and you'll be wrong.

As to what you can post and what not: Just don't make one liner posts. You can post a link to a Youtube video along with your own post, just don't post nothing but a link.

sigh
I posted a youtube video and you only looked at one aspect of it£. I was not trying to prove anything, but if you look at his arguments then you could have checked whether or not his facts are genuine facts and drawn your own conclusions.
Personall, I can't imagine full scale invasion by the US, but I can imagine Israel striking Iran in a major way and the US and allies being ready to deal with any retaliatory measures by Iran. I'm not at all convinced that the US government actually believes that Iran is (still) developing any nukes. The mere fact that Iran is buying more defensive and probably also offensive weapons could be a reason for the US to make a move. Iran is not allowed to be strong in the region. The US only attack weak nations. That's official policy since forever.
I wouldn't discount what the guy was saying about alliances being formed. The US is making moves while it can still do so with impunity. In 30 years time this will no longer be possible, and it won't be because the US helped build up international order, or at least an effective way of dealing with agressors. The legacy is one of mass murder, terrorism and assassinations. This fact should not be controversial and the conversations here would be a little more constructive if we could all agree on the well-documented historic record (=the basics), and not get lost in the US media talking points and neo-con-style crazy talk..
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
July 28 2010 01:50 GMT
#526
Threads like these suck because:
1.) People go on stupid tangents that should be saved for PMs.
2.) Nobody reads what anybody else writes and it becomes a finger-in-ear "my posts are more inflammatory than yours."
3.) There is insufficient love.

That said, nukes are like giant teddy bears of great affection and should be launched to bring warmth and delight to all corners of globe, including Antarctica, which is a way better continent than Europe, Asia, or the Americas.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
July 28 2010 11:10 GMT
#527
UPDATE:

Crazy stuff going on people ~~

but do not fear, the global police is on their way...

"U.S. Navy Investigating Report of Persian Gulf Tanker Attack"

July 28, 2010

An explosion, possibly caused by an attack, damaged an oil tanker Wednesday near the mouth of the Persian Gulf, Japanese shipping company Mitsui O.S.K. Lines said.

The company said the blast on its tanker M. Star caused one minor injury but did not cause an oil leak.

The ship was damaged due to "an explosion from a suspected attack from the outside" in the waters off Oman, near the strategically important Strait of Hormuz, the company said.

The strait leads into the Persian Gulf past Oman and Iran, and is a transit point for about 40 percent of oil shipped by tankers worldwide.

"We believe it's highly likely an attack," Mitsui spokeswoman Eiko Mizuno said. "There is nothing that can explode in that part of the vessel."


Source
Yes im
angelicfolly
Profile Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
July 28 2010 11:35 GMT
#528
On July 28 2010 20:10 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UPDATE:

Crazy stuff going on people ~~

but do not fear, the global police is on their way...

"U.S. Navy Investigating Report of Persian Gulf Tanker Attack"

July 28, 2010

An explosion, possibly caused by an attack, damaged an oil tanker Wednesday near the mouth of the Persian Gulf, Japanese shipping company Mitsui O.S.K. Lines said.

The company said the blast on its tanker M. Star caused one minor injury but did not cause an oil leak.

The ship was damaged due to "an explosion from a suspected attack from the outside" in the waters off Oman, near the strategically important Strait of Hormuz, the company said.

The strait leads into the Persian Gulf past Oman and Iran, and is a transit point for about 40 percent of oil shipped by tankers worldwide.

"We believe it's highly likely an attack," Mitsui spokeswoman Eiko Mizuno said. "There is nothing that can explode in that part of the vessel."


Source


I really wouldn't be surprised, but not in a good way.

gunboats threatening US ships
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0739039120080107

15 British navy personal captured
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6484279.stm

It would really be good If you wouldn't put ideology spin, if your going to report news.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
July 28 2010 12:17 GMT
#529

It would really be good If you wouldn't put ideology spin, if your going to report news. [/QUOTE]

ideology spin? it was a joke xD kakakakak
Yes im
angelicfolly
Profile Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 12:22:30
July 28 2010 12:21 GMT
#530
On July 28 2010 21:17 ImFromPortugal wrote:

ideology spin? it was a joke xD kakakakak


Internet does not allow for context in such a blanket statement. How about letting such things be known it's a joke i.e. maybe a smiley face.

I say this because when you do things like that, you will put readers off.

Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
July 28 2010 12:26 GMT
#531
On June 13 2010 02:35 SpartiK1S wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2010 02:22 Monst3r wrote:
On June 13 2010 02:15 zer0das wrote:
On June 13 2010 02:08 Monst3r wrote:
Why would Saudi Arabia do such a thing.


Probably because Iran is a huge threat to the stability of their government... monarchy vs revolution. And whole region even. Nukes in the hands of Iran probably make them just as nervous as Israel.


If America has nukes, every single country in the world deserves nukes too.


wait wait wait, what the FU$%?

"If America has nukes, EVERYONE GETS NUKES"?????

You are either a teenager that doesn't understand world politics, or else a , god i can't say it without it getting deleted. What you are suggesting is the equivalent of giving a DOOMSDAY DEVICE to someone like a highschool bully. WHILE HE IS STILL IN HIGHSCHOOL!

You are either an Iranian praying for America's downfall or else completely noob and retarded at world relations.

We WORKED to get where we are in this world. We Americans, through fu$%ing sweat, blood, and death of WW2 saved the world from fascism, and discovered the most deadly weapon in the history of EVERYTHING on the way. Thats like winning a starcraft game, and then saying, bah, im too greedy, i should give the guy all my minerals and 3 hours to build while i go look at porn and lose. Just handing that treasure over to third world countries and such would result in EVERYONE DYING.

Nigeria-"Hm, those neighbors we have, the Nigers, are stealing water from our well. NUKE THE FUCKERS!"
Niger- "Oh SHIT! RETALIATE!"
the REST OF AFRICA-"NUKES ARE FLYING! SHIT! EVERYONE RETALIATE!"

Thats just a TASTE of something that could happen.

No matter how good you are anyone deems you at computer games, world political relations takes more than "pro starcraft apm" to master and think about correctly.

User was temp banned for this post.


Tell poster he doesn't understand world relations.
Relate world relations to StarCraft.
Blanke
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada180 Posts
July 30 2010 19:55 GMT
#532
Zatic had me convinced earlier that an attack was foolhardy and would never materialize itself beyond empty threats, but upon discovering this recent video on Russia Today, I'm starting to feel concerned again.

Apparently US Congress is trying to pass bill HR 1553, which would give Israel the green light to engage Iran, obviously with American support. I never thought such an insane idea was up for debate to begin with, but if this bill gets passed, Zatic may just have to eat his own words.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/user/PropheticSeer#p/u/28/KeMIOdR0Zdg
We avoid risks in life to arrive safely at death.
muse5187
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
1125 Posts
July 30 2010 21:33 GMT
#533
On July 28 2010 20:35 angelicfolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2010 20:10 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UPDATE:

Crazy stuff going on people ~~

but do not fear, the global police is on their way...

"U.S. Navy Investigating Report of Persian Gulf Tanker Attack"

July 28, 2010

An explosion, possibly caused by an attack, damaged an oil tanker Wednesday near the mouth of the Persian Gulf, Japanese shipping company Mitsui O.S.K. Lines said.

The company said the blast on its tanker M. Star caused one minor injury but did not cause an oil leak.

The ship was damaged due to "an explosion from a suspected attack from the outside" in the waters off Oman, near the strategically important Strait of Hormuz, the company said.

The strait leads into the Persian Gulf past Oman and Iran, and is a transit point for about 40 percent of oil shipped by tankers worldwide.

"We believe it's highly likely an attack," Mitsui spokeswoman Eiko Mizuno said. "There is nothing that can explode in that part of the vessel."


Source


I really wouldn't be surprised, but not in a good way.

gunboats threatening US ships
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0739039120080107

15 British navy personal captured
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6484279.stm

It would really be good If you wouldn't put ideology spin, if your going to report news.


"I'm coming at you... you will explode in a couple minutes."
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
July 30 2010 21:48 GMT
#534
Someone has to be in control, and because humans are flawed, their systems and nations are flawed. There is no perfect way for the world to be at peace and have humans still living in it, but ask yourself this: No matter what the reigning ideology is in America, it remains a country of laws and rules. Would you rather have a nation rooted in jurisprudence as a superpower, or a nation rooted in a particular religion?
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
thesighter
Profile Joined July 2010
United States347 Posts
August 03 2010 15:42 GMT
#535
Back on topic, not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but Saudi Arabia and Iran have been fighting a proxy conflict in Yemen the past two years. It is one of the largest conflicts in the world (which nobody has heard about). Not to mention the fact that the Sunni and Shia sects have hated each other for over 1300 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa'dah_insurgency
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 03 2010 15:55 GMT
#536
On July 31 2010 06:48 tehemperorer wrote:
Someone has to be in control, and because humans are flawed, their systems and nations are flawed. There is no perfect way for the world to be at peace and have humans still living in it, but ask yourself this: No matter what the reigning ideology is in America, it remains a country of laws and rules. Would you rather have a nation rooted in jurisprudence as a superpower, or a nation rooted in a particular religion?


One word: Lobotomies.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Dylancool2
Profile Joined June 2009
81 Posts
August 03 2010 16:24 GMT
#537
Does anyone have any sense of intelligence?? Why do you think the US is the one who's been telling the news this??? BECAUSE THEY PRESSURED THE SAUDIS TO DO IT!!!!!
Your as annoying as a Reaver drop.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
August 04 2010 10:11 GMT
#538
UDPATE:

Iran official: We have obtained the S-300 missile system
Fars news agency says Tehran signs deal with Belarus after Russia reportedly refused to provide Iran with the surface-to-air system over recent UN sanctions.
By The Associated Press and Haaretz Service


Source
Yes im
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 10:38:28
August 04 2010 10:37 GMT
#539
You're like TL's little Anderson Cooper aren't you ImFromPortugal? ^_^

I don't think anything short of nuclear weapons will help them from the wrath of the US military, though.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
August 04 2010 10:59 GMT
#540
On July 31 2010 04:55 Blanke wrote:
Zatic had me convinced earlier that an attack was foolhardy and would never materialize itself beyond empty threats, but upon discovering this recent video on Russia Today, I'm starting to feel concerned again.

Apparently US Congress is trying to pass bill HR 1553, which would give Israel the green light to engage Iran, obviously with American support. I never thought such an insane idea was up for debate to begin with, but if this bill gets passed, Zatic may just have to eat his own words.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/user/PropheticSeer#p/u/28/KeMIOdR0Zdg

Congress also passed the American Service Members Protection Act to green light a US invasion of the Netherlands in 2002 after the International Criminal Court was established in Den Haag. A pretty insane idea if you ask me. Still in addition to my claim the US won't attack Iran I state they won't attack the Netherlands any time soon either, even though the bill has already passed Congress 8 years ago.

I will gladly eat my word when the cruise missiles start flying.
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