EPTHow can this even happen, like wtf man?
Edit: My condolences to the Polish, this is a terrible tragedy
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
How can this even happen, like wtf man? Edit: My condolences to the Polish, this is a terrible tragedy | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9050 Posts
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
It is standard procedure to abort landing and go to another airport if the second approach fails. It is also said that the Polish president was known to conflict with pilots at least once before in a similar situation. In August 2008, on approach to Tbilisi, the pilot refused to carry out the landing due to safety concerns. The president got mad and promised to punish the pilot. | ||
micronesia
United States24788 Posts
On April 10 2010 22:26 Random() wrote: According to some Russian sources, the pilots were advised not to land in Smolensk due to the weather conditions. The plane made three landing approaches, and still could not land. On the fourth approach, it crashed. It is standard procedure to abort landing and go to another airport if the second approach fails. It is also said that the Polish president was known to conflict with pilots at least once before in a similar situation. In August 2008, on approach to Tbilisi, the pilot refused to carry out the landing due to safety concerns. The president got mad and promised to punish the pilot. Yeah I read that in an article on yahoo... the plane was advised to go to one of two alternate airports but they insisted on landing at the one that was suffering from fog. Probably all there is to the investigation. Unfortunate to say the least. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
But that's just irresponsible | ||
739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On April 10 2010 22:21 konadora wrote: Just saw this on the news, went like wtf? How can this even happen, like wtf man? Edit: My condolences to the Russians, this is a terrible tragedy the fuck ?! | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 10 2010 22:08 Maenander wrote: According to the german media it was very foggy and they tried to land 4 times before crashing. They also report that the russian control tower told the pilot that it would be better to land elsewhere, but he tried the landing in Smolensk anyway. I hope Poland can quickly recover from this tragedy. I saw that, but landings are almost entirely automatic these days. Why on earth were they doing it manually in fog? Maybe that Russian airport didn't have the proper equipment? | ||
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739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On April 10 2010 22:32 Jibba wrote: I saw that, but landings are almost entirely automatic these days. Why on earth were they doing it manually in fog? Maybe that Russian airport didn't have the proper equipment? Yup it didn't have the proper equipment. That wasn't a civil airporl with the highest technology, that was a military airport. | ||
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micronesia
United States24788 Posts
On April 10 2010 22:32 Jibba wrote: I saw that, but landings are almost entirely automatic these days. Why on earth were they doing it manually in fog? Maybe that Russian airport didn't have the proper equipment? Generally it isn't entirely automated, and besides it wasn't a major airport as already said. This kind of stuff happens all the time... politicians or non-technical people make decisions about whether or not to do something, completely disregarding the experts telling them not to... look at the Challenger disaster. Very unfortunate though. | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
yeah woops lol -_- what i think and what i type keep getting wrong | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
This is practically guaranteed to stir up conspiracy theories, especially since it occured in Russia of all places. EDIT: Another tragedy in a streak of them in Polish history... | ||
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MacWorld
Sweden227 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
terrible | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
i wonder though why the fuck the entire military leadership was travelling on board of one single vehicle. really irresponsible. should be np for the generals to order their own air force plane. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
I always hated that guy but my god so many people, and so many "important" people in that plane :S On April 10 2010 22:28 micronesia wrote: Yeah I read that in an article on yahoo... the plane was advised to go to one of two alternate airports but they insisted on landing at the one that was suffering from fog. Probably all there is to the investigation. Unfortunate to say the least. Man if thats what happened again (the president telling him to land anyways) then FUCK YOU Mr. Kaczynski I hope you burn in hell. :S so sad | ||
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kimchiterran
Poland81 Posts
1. Our goverments plane Tu-154 is almost 40 years old already and still not exchanged for new machine (there is a second one too still in use). In fact, they decided to upgrade/repair it once again last year and plane came back from the service in January '10. 2. It was a heavy fog (sight of range ~500 meters). Russian pilot for Reuters reported there is no way this plane should even try to land in these conditions. 3. Airport in Smolensk they tried to land was formerly (till December '09) a military one, with shorter starting/landing lanes compared to the regular airports and lacking anti-fog equipment. 4. Half an hour before Polish plane arrived, the other plane (Russian, with some officials too) was about to land in Smolensk, but control tower crew asked them to move back to the other airport due extremely bad weather conditions (fog). And they moved back. 5. Same thing happened when Polish plane arrived, control tower asked them to try airport in Moscow or Minsk, due thick fog around. Somehow Polish pilot refused and tried to land... 4 times in a row. But conditions were too bad, so plane made just a few circles around the airport to make another attempt. 6. Even after 4 attempts (what I've heard is the plane was flying almost 2 hours around, hoping for better conditions?) pilot tried to land but having no anti-fog equipment in Smolensk, he realized that position of plane is wrong... too late. He tried to lift off, but Tu-154 is a huge plane, he cut his wing on the trees and plane crashed 1500 meters later. What a shame we lost so many important officials in a single crash. Edit: and yeah, scenario above with our own president forcing pilot to land despite the extremely bad conditions is... possible. We had a similar story in summer '08, when pilot of goverment's plane decided not to land in Asia and changed their route. Our president (Kaczynski) was extremely angry and was trying to punish pilot and take his pilot licence after the trip (can't find the exact source though). /R | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
no sorry, this is just bullshit.do you seriously think that he would actually force the pilot to change his route/tell him where and when to land? comon sense dude, the guy/s piloting were in charge and if you wanna blame someone for bad decisions, its the pilot and people arround him, not president | ||
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Tomer
United States105 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17829 Posts
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