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Searched, but didn't find a thread on this. Completely surprised me as I've heard Season 1's ratings were not that great plus it has been quite awhile since it aired.
According to the WCG main site, WCG Ultimate Gamer will have a second season to air in the Summer. Supposedly casting for it will happen around March of 2010.
For those wondering what this is, EG.iNcontrol was in the 1st season, and it aired on SyFy (SciFi) in the USA. The old thread for season 1 can be found at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85611
So - anyone have any thoughts on it or planning to try to audition? According to the WCG site, auditions will be open to those outside of the US this time as well.
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:S this show didnt make sense to me then, wont make sense to me now :S
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incontrol is win, but I won't watch this show, sorry.
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Nothing is more cringe-worthy than a television show that tries to appeal to the gamer demographic. Seriously. Just stop trying. Right now. It's embarrassing.
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I will only watch if a sc gamer is there.
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United States2822 Posts
KawaiiRice for Ultimate Gamer Season 2 gogo
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I'll only watch if Artosis is one of the contestants.
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Calgary25980 Posts
lol the show is fucking terrible i stopped watching the episode incontrol was out. season 1 was like "let the people who are good at their genre isolate the people who suck"
it was stupid.
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On January 15 2010 07:56 Comeh wrote:
I'll only watch if Artosis is one of the contestants.
LOL yes! I signed on TL just to write this comment hahaaha that would be great.
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Well, if Artosis were a contestant it would be the best show on television. Or Day[9]
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Day[9] for WCG Ultimate Gamer!
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I wont watch again unless teamliquid gets someone else in there. Or they include starcraft. Both of which i highly doubt lol
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I didn't really like the show tbh :/
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lol this show was so bad. If they play ddr again i can donate one of my metal arcade pads so they dont use those shitty plastic ones...not that it would make a difference since they were all so bad at the game anyways :D
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Meh... the first show was average other than the fact that INc was there... so probably not
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hopefully this time the winner is the real ultimate gamer.
just kidding..
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 15 2010 07:38 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:Searched, but didn't find a thread on this. Completely surprised me as I've heard Season 1's ratings were not that great plus it has been quite awhile since it aired. According to the WCG main site, WCG Ultimate Gamer will have a second season to air in the Summer. Supposedly casting for it will happen around March of 2010. For those wondering what this is, EG.iNcontrol was in the 1st season, and it aired on SyFy (SciFi) in the USA. The old thread for season 1 can be found at: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85611So - anyone have any thoughts on it or planning to try to audition? According to the WCG site, auditions will be open to those outside of the US this time as well.
Bad ratings compared to what? They had a modest goal and they actually achieved it as far as ratings are concerned. It isn't like the show is a prime-time show that was made to compete with LOST or something.. it was a sci-fi show that wanted to reach the gamer demograph and it did.
The show has televised in australia and a few other parts of the world. USA network bought rights to it and now airs it as a series on their channel. Sci-Fi has reran it several times and included it in marathons. I don't think it is fair to summarize the show as "i heard it didn't do that well."
As for the others saying it was so bad.. I wish you to go a little lighter on the show. It obviously isn't an amazing show with any kind of revolutionary aspect but it was actually fairly well done for what it was. Especially given how it went places other shows haven't.. or at least at that level in terms of a reality based gaming show. Obviously it was cheesy and had problems with the competition. Detach yourself from the perfectionist gamer perspective and try and appreciate how the show gave drama, nice twists, heroes, bad guys, relationships etc etc.. and the finale was fucking fantastic I don't care what anyone says.
Season 2 will be interesting. Most shows try and do an exaggerated version of themselves from prior seasons. I can tell you that as far as I know the cast from season 1 won't be involved.. I'm sure they will do stuff with Mark and make references to some of us but that should be it.
I'm kinda excited (obviously my perspective is a bit different) that a new version of this show will air. I hope they use some better games and make the competitions a little more interesting instead of (as chill said) super luckbox comps where 1 person specialized and the rest kinda suck.
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On January 15 2010 07:58 Chill wrote:
lol the show is fucking terrible i stopped watching the episode incontrol was out. season 1 was like "let the people who are good at their genre isolate the people who suck"
it was stupid.
agreed. The only reason it was interesting was because of incontrol being there. Otherwise is was a horrible show
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Get a TLer on there 
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Cool, I actually liked the show. Hopefully, they will make some adjustments to the format so its more competitive and less based on luck
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I'll only watch it if Rekrul goes on and it does a crossover with Celebrity Rehab.
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On January 15 2010 09:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Bad ratings compared to what? They had a modest goal and they actually achieved it as far as ratings are concerned. It isn't like the show is a prime-time show that was made to compete with LOST or something.. it was a sci-fi show that wanted to reach the gamer demograph and it did.
The show has televised in australia and a few other parts of the world. USA network bought rights to it and now airs it as a series on their channel. Sci-Fi has reran it several times and included it in marathons. I don't think it is fair to summarize the show as "i heard it didn't do that well."
A. I could have chosen a better choice of words, but by "not great", I meant I heard it did so-so. I did not mean that it did bad or that it sucked. There is a difference in that meaning and what you seem to think I mean. As for the exact comparison, I have seen numbers before once (information posted on the Syfy forums that linked to an official source), but it would likely take me half an hour to find them again to give context.
B. I personally enjoyed the show and watched every episode. The posts on this thread seem to support what I heard in part A elsewhere, but do not represent my personal opinion of the show.
Thanks.
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United States24679 Posts
I won't watch unless someone I somehow know is on there again which is not very likely to happen :p
Good luck anyway and I hope it improves on the first one... it does have potential.
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It can be good if they get guest commentators who understand the games for each elimination, show more gameplay, don't invite certain gamers if you won't even include his fucking game or even any game in the same genre goddammit.
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On January 15 2010 11:58 Slow Motion wrote:
It can be good if they get guest commentators who understand the games for each elimination, show more gameplay, don't invite certain gamers if you won't even include his fucking game or even any game in the same genre goddammit.
Precisely. As long as they expand beyond the shiny popular games, then it will be somewhat interesting.
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I remember i stoped watching after the second episode when one of the "pro gamers" major achivments was that he was a games tester -_-
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The show was terribad.
The concept didn't make sense. Yeah, let's find the ''ultimate gamer'' by taking random players from the USA and putting them into a house and make them play random, but popular games where some people obviously have massive advantages / disadvantages. That whole idea was just retarded. I did like the when they did the things in ''real'' life too, basically the ONLY thing I really enjoyed, kinda.
About the ''drama'' in the house. The editing was horrible and things were clearly overexegrated and tried to make them seem bigger then they were. This is, of course normal for any reality show, but the way it was executed in this was just bad. I found the drama, the villains and the heroes and w/e in Tila Tequilas reality show more believable and more fun to watch. And the fact is, I don't want to see some stupid relation ship drama in a show that's supposed to be about gamers and gaming.
I expected a true gamer show. Lots of gaming, lots of typical gamer shit talking, tournaments etc what I mean by this is that they actually played the games for a longer time, and more neutral games., instead it turned out to be some crap reality show with a poor concept - worse then those Bachelor shows. The whole, let's play a game for a small amount of time and move to next game didn't really work. I remember the Guitar Hero elimination. The elimination was edited to be a tight thing, but in reality, the guy with the contact lenses just destroyed the other guy without any effort. And anybody with any gaming experience in general, knew that he would absolutely have no chance. Hurrayh for exciting finals I suppose.
I do have to give props to them trying this concept though. Somehow has to take the first steps. I might sound harsh but this is what I think. Personally I think the only reason people even watched the first season was because it was a new concept, but the question is, now that they have seen it, will they return for season 2?
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
The best part of this show was when incontrol cried on national television. After they kicked him off i stopped watching too.
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IMO the game choices were kinda lame. Not that I wanted to see starcraft being played or anything instead but the fact that they apparently ran out of games for competitions? I mean the finale was just a rehash of previous episodes (games which were already played). Why not pick different games from the same genre? Or maybe set it up to have like teams of the best players from each genre who go up in various games and have to do some sort of elimination round based upon performance. I mean game show competition isn't that hard to think for ideas. I liked the concept of taking the video games into real life challenges, that stuff interests me. I wouldn't watch a show that did nothing put film 10 people playing halo for 45 minutes 
On January 15 2010 12:27 NonFactor wrote:
I expected a true gamer show. Lots of gaming, lots of typical gamer shit talking, tournaments etc what I mean by this is that they actually played the games for a longer time, and more neutral games., instead it turned out to be some crap reality show with a poor concept - worse then those Bachelor shows.?
No one would watch the show if it was nothing but 'lots of gaming.'
There's a reason there aren't gaming tv channels across the world already... the scyfy (sp?) channel didn't exactly try to strike oil with this show...
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That guy who won was actually a cs player. Except he was a source player and he wasn't even good at it. He was like a 600 fpr source shitter and hes now the "ultimate gamer". Kinda pathetic IMO. If you can't even play source at a decent level I don't know what to say. More accurate would be 'barely mediocre gamer.'
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On January 15 2010 18:04 NonFactor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2010 12:27 NonFactor wrote:
I expected a true gamer show. Lots of gaming, lots of typical gamer shit talking, tournaments etc what I mean by this is that they actually played the games for a longer time, and more neutral games., instead it turned out to be some crap reality show with a poor concept - worse then those Bachelor shows.? Show nested quote +
No one would watch the show if it was nothing but 'lots of gaming.'
There's a reason there aren't gaming tv channels across the world already... the scyfy (sp?) channel didn't exactly try to strike oil with this show...
Your right, I suppose it wouldn't get that high ratings. But it was still something I expected from something with ''Ultimate Gamer'' in it. The thing is though, I enjoy watching players play, I watch StarCraft like probably you do. I enjoy watching people that are better than me. I don't really mind the game, I can get entertained by watching Tetris. The title had nothing to do with the show though, the title Ultimate Gamer, all of those people had one or two games they were good at, rest they were mediocre or they just sucked. And this what annoyed me. Hell you could have thrown me in or some other console players in there that probably would have done a better job as a first timers at some of the games. And would I even be worty or capable of holding a title called Ultimate Gamer? No. But it just shows how poorly planned it was. But in the end what I got was another Bachelor type reality crap with a poor concept. I mean seriously, you could take a Bachelor show and made the contestant play games for the roses and you'd have a better show, Lol. And it would be more fun to watch instead of the one sided rapes / totally predictable outcomes of the game challenges. And you could also have the cheesy crap in it too, that wouldn't feel totally out of place. Anyways, again, just my 2 cents.
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I thought it was really good for what I was expecting. I even watched it til the end, which I hadn't planned on doing. That was mostly cause of Jamal. That dude was hilarious. Besides, what are you expecting for a show about video games? It was the first watchable video game show since Nick Arcade.
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I didnt think the show was THAT bad. They managed to get an interesting cast of people which made the reality part of it worth watching. The real life challenges were also relatively well done.
The format of the gaming however was just really sad. Instead of WCG ultimate gamer, it was x-box ultimate gamer, which in itself was terrible because most WCG games arent on X-box. It also set up the huge discrepancies in skill levels when you would be facing a guitar hero player up against a counterstrike player in guitar hero. It wasnt exactly a fair competition.
If I was going to suggest a format, I would go through the WCG games, and have the pros have a bye when their game comes up, preventing them from smashing the unfortunate other players. It would also allow them to choose to help others out with their training. Maybe then a game with the pro and the week's winner with some sort of seperate prize would be interesting.
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The non-gamer and even the casual gamer demographic isn't even going to notice a difference in skill between Flash playing Starcraft and some random guy playing a random sports game. So why should they bother making it highly competitive, their success is measured in people watching, not in how pleased the hardcore gamers are with it.
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I actually watched the whole first series. I think the title is misleading because it's ultimate "console" gamer which is obviously a step down from PC games.
The thing is all reality TV shows are pretty awful anyway so if you're expecting this to be better than them then you're expectations are too high.
As reality TV goes I thought it was pretty good and if they manage to make the 2nd series as good as the 1st then it's definitely watchable.
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For people that go, " Ultimate Gamer rating horribad!!1!", I would like to ask:
You do realise how and what TV shows get sequels don't you?
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Katowice25012 Posts
I honestly think this show is doing far more to hurt "our demographic" (gamers who want to be taken seriously I guess? unsure exactly how to phrase the collective "us" that this is more or less portraying) than any possible good we can hope to gain from exposure. Obviously it had modest ratings goals and managed to hit them, this kind of show is absurdly formulaic and has been done to death on every station with every possible niche, it would be difficult to not turn a modest profit with how efficiently it can be pumped out at this point.
Of course the scenes with incontrol all ruled and if someone I could pretend to be loosely connected with was in another season I would probably catch a few episodes.
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Couldn't bear to even watch one full episode... I tryed it... twice.
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On January 15 2010 13:24 daz wrote:
That guy who won was actually a cs player. Except he was a source player and he wasn't even good at it. He was like a 600 fpr source shitter and hes now the "ultimate gamer". Kinda pathetic IMO. If you can't even play source at a decent level I don't know what to say. More accurate would be 'barely mediocre gamer.'
barely mediocre gamer or ultimate USA gamer would fit well, yeah
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I think I would be a little dissapointed if the concept stays the same for the 2nd Season. With a season's worth of experience, the producers should be able to make some changes to make the show a little more interesting and unique. As it was, it was too much about a handful of people trapped inside a house, isolated from the world and not so much about the gaming or ultimateness. We've seen it done before a million times, whether it's about a group of overweight people trying to lose weight, a bachelor trying to defile as many women as possible while upholding his facade of gentlemenness or people sitting on a tropical island causing personal conflicts because there is nothing else to do there.
The show needed more game related things going on. More competitions, more games, more result tables and graphics, more prizes, less eliminations (unless they really deserved to be kicked out due to poor performance). Less people standing side by side being told by the presenters of the show what is going to happen. And less pre-commercial break teasers.
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Day9 or tasteless should so do it
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And they need to include smash. SMASH!!!!!
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On January 15 2010 09:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:and the finale was fucking fantastic I don't care what anyone says.
Not that you're biased or anything, right?..
I couldn't make it through a show. I think there are plenty of gamers who would enjoy simply watching a show that provides good coverage on actual competition and, as far as I know, one station is moving forward with doing this right now. I just don't understand the interest people have in reality television shows so this could be my bias but this show to me was like watching a drama show based on the conversations that happen on the sideline of a football game instead of the actual game.
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i don't understand why ppl are being so negative about this show, it really wasn't horrible and it's at least a step in the right direction as far as e-sports goes. I think most ppl would like e-sports to become a bigger part of US culture and shows like this are a way to achieve this. I really think we should support it. Yes most of the games are lame console games, but honestly that's what is going to get casual gamers to watch. If they just did SC and Counterstrike it'd be great for the hardcore e-sports community, but the audience would be a lot smaller. If this show is successful it could mean really good e-sports related shows in the future..
personally i thought i was entertaining and from a reality show stand-point it's no worse than any of the other 10,000 reality shows on TV..
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For a first season, the season was satisfactory. I watched initially because of all the hype on this website, and even when InControl was given the boot I still watched it until the end. That being said, if this is simply the same concept with different players, I would definitely not watch.
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WCG Ultimate Gamer was a good show. I found it cheesy and lightweight at first, but when you learn to accept what it is, and what it's aiming for, it's a success. It wasn't trying to be a show for snobby gaming elitists as yourselves to worship, it was meant to be an entertaining look inside the world of competitive gaming, and that's exactly what it was. It showed a subculture to an audience that may have never learned of it otherwise. Seriously, do you expect such people to jump into learning about this stuff by watching a hive of nerdlings drool at computer monitors a la G4's Arena? (Though I kind of liked that show.)
At first, I thought the show was just OK. Then, I grew to like it. And now, having watched Season 1 multiple times, I love it. It's like that two-star movie that you like... it's not amazing, it's not trying to be amazing, but you just can't get enough of it. What WAS amazing though was the finale... it showed a glimpse of what competitive gaming is all about. Can't wait for Season 2.
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I watched every episode of season 1, wish there were some PC games though...
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On January 15 2010 07:55 scintilliaSD wrote:
KawaiiRice for Ultimate Gamer Season 2 gogo
TL candidates
- Chill
- Artosis
- Machine
- Idra
- Nony
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Canada8031 Posts
On January 15 2010 23:31 stk01001 wrote:
i don't understand why ppl are being so negative about this show, it really wasn't horrible and it's at least a step in the right direction as far as e-sports goes. I think most ppl would like e-sports to become a bigger part of US culture and shows like this are a way to achieve this. I really think we should support it. Yes most of the games are lame console games, but honestly that's what is going to get casual gamers to watch. If they just did SC and Counterstrike it'd be great for the hardcore e-sports community, but the audience would be a lot smaller. If this show is successful it could mean really good e-sports related shows in the future..
personally i thought i was entertaining and from a reality show stand-point it's no worse than any of the other 10,000 reality shows on TV..
Sure it's no worse than any other reality show on TV, but it's certainly not any better. And as others have said, the competitions (the saving grace of any reality show, imo) could all be summed up as one sided rape by the person specializing in that week's genre. I have no idea how the they could fix this without ruining the premise of the show though.
What was the mainstream reaction to this show anyway? Aside from watching a few episodes, I've only heard about this show from TLers.
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On January 16 2010 03:53 pR0gR4m3R wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2010 07:55 scintilliaSD wrote:
KawaiiRice for Ultimate Gamer Season 2 gogo TL candidates - Chill - Artosis - Machine - Idra - Nony
Unless they change the show a lot I'd just feel embarassed to see my heroes in such a crappy show. :/
Incontrol made it the show somewhat acceptable though. =)
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I only watched because of Inc
I wouldn't watch if there wasn't someone in starcraft there.
And I didn't like the real life challenges, but I suppose it has to appeal to less "hardcore" gamers too.
I just think 12 gamers in a loft with 12 PC's would be interesting. PC gaming is so much better than Console gaming. Of course, have challenges in various team challenges or something, and then have elimination battles in a double elimination style, last place gets put on a chopping block, first place still picks who to battle with them to get out.
Meh I'll still only watch if a SC gamer is there. It was the only thing that connected me ( a non console gamer) to the show at all.
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On January 15 2010 23:14 SiDX wrote:
Day9 or tasteless should so do it
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Never watched the show and and after reading most of these comments seems like I wouldn't want to.
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omg it was so fucking bad please just stop
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Im going to audition for the show. And since nobody has heard of me i'll be like the next Dante. I'll claim to be pro gamer at some random game, maybe melee, and if i actually get on the show i'll start hella drama.
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The main reason why the show sucked was because all the games were trash pop culture shit. They need to bring in the real games; starcraft, counterstrike, quake 3, unreal 2004, street fighter 3 or 4, hell even oldschool games like tetris or whatever to see who can get the most points/lines. And sc2 if it comes out
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TV sucks
seriously
All of it
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omg Idra could be the dante of season 2!!!!!!!
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hahaha, I watched the first season due to Incontrol, but I managed to continue watching after he was out as well. It was pretty bad, but acceptable I suppose.
Idra would be so hilarious on a reality show. Sadly this one just isn't fit for SC players.
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These shows are just terrible. Usually just a bunch of jackass madden players.
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From what I saw of the show most everything was console gaming.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooring
Stopped watching after inc.
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I would only want Day9 to do it if he could keep his ridiculous antics and didnt get edited into some super douche or something :<
edit: "Let me take a drink of this DELICIOUS green tea before we have our elimination match"
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On January 16 2010 05:19 CharlieMurphy wrote:
The main reason why the show sucked was because all the games were trash pop culture shit. They need to bring in the real games; starcraft, counterstrike, quake 3, unreal 2004, street fighter 3 or 4, hell even oldschool games like tetris or whatever to see who can get the most points/lines. And sc2 if it comes out
This is true, but it wouldn't appeal to the general viewer as much as say, guitar hero or a fps game with the newest graphics even though the games you listed are far better for competitive gaming.
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I think I might seriously audition for the show.... possibly. My accomplishments (word document) are fairly meager with the strongest thing likely being my silver WCG medal in a joke game. However - there might be appeal if I convinced my younger brother to apply, which I must admit would be difficult as he hates most ideas that come from me. He has won several WCG USA events and his polar opposite personality of myself makes him "media friendly" (possibly best shown by his Wizard drunk interview video). While missing a few things, his general accomplishments (word document).
Besides a simple "brothers" angle, we would also stand out by being older than the usual applicant. He would have just completed his MBA from Carnegie Mellon (a top 20 business university), and I have a Computer Engineering degree along with 5 years professional application development experience (currently a Senior Application Developer / Analyst for Emory University's School of Medicine).
Anyone think such a thing might have a chance? Hard to tell how they cast this thing as they don't do it based on solely accomplishments.
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I liked this show, I watched it on youtube without commercials so that was good.
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What did inc cry over in the first season?
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On January 16 2010 05:25 -fj. wrote:
TV sucks
seriously
All of it
I think we can all agree on that.
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On January 15 2010 23:06 fredd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2010 13:24 daz wrote:
That guy who won was actually a cs player. Except he was a source player and he wasn't even good at it. He was like a 600 fpr source shitter and hes now the "ultimate gamer". Kinda pathetic IMO. If you can't even play source at a decent level I don't know what to say. More accurate would be 'barely mediocre gamer.' barely mediocre gamer or ultimate USA gamer would fit well, yeah
not really because theres thousands and thousands of people better at CS then he is in the USA
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On January 16 2010 06:22 [-Bluewolf-] wrote:I think I might seriously audition for the show.... possibly. My accomplishments (word document) are fairly meager with the strongest thing likely being my silver WCG medal in a joke game. However - there might be appeal if I convinced my younger brother to apply, which I must admit would be difficult as he hates most ideas that come from me. He has won several WCG USA events and his polar opposite personality of myself makes him "media friendly" (possibly best shown by his Wizard drunk interview video). While missing a few things, his general accomplishments (word document). Besides a simple "brothers" angle, we would also stand out by being older than the usual applicant. He would have just completed his MBA from Carnegie Mellon (a top 20 business university), and I have a Computer Engineering degree along with 5 years professional application development experience (currently a Senior Application Developer / Analyst for Emory University's School of Medicine). Anyone think such a thing might have a chance? Hard to tell how they cast this thing as they don't do it based on solely accomplishments.
Go for it dude. It can't hurt anything. Go for the brother's angle. Do you guys normally get along? Well, you don't now. Some sort of competition between brothers thing would probably work lol. Good luck.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
absolutely go for it.
I don't like your odds since they go for like "TV" friendly people ie drama/hot girls and attractive/drama guys... I'm not saying I was either of those things I'm just telling you what they are going for.
From what I remember of you (you wore business attire to WCG) you are a pretty chill, serious and normal guy. They are going for just about the opposite of you.
BUT
What does it hurt to try? Worst case scenario I'm right.. big deal.
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The first season was abyssal with absolutely no redeeming qualities (save for Incontrol being on it, obviously) and I loved every minute of it. I hope the second season will be at least just as bad. Think about it, if the show was kinda decent it would be just another kinda decent thing on tv and most people would probably skip it in favor of something thats actually good (I know I would). But when a show is so shit it actually becomes fun to watch, fun for completely different reasons than intended by the creators but fun nonetheless. The show will never be good or good enough for anyone to watch it and take it seriously, its very premise makes that impossible (its a fucking reality show after all), so it might as well be all bad all the time and bring on the lulz. I say just open a bottle of Heineken and enjoy the idiots squabbling for our amusement.
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