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On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them.
fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD
but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity
if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD
GOGO TL GOGO !
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On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? sadly even if they win there nothing to win expect groupplace 3 Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:15 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:05 Muffloe wrote:On May 01 2015 22:02 johnbongham wrote:
Where all all the posters here who berated me for saying that the NA scene completely died when IBP got banned and that the current teamliquid roster is the biggest joke of a team to get picked up by any major organization in the history of csgo? Not only was I right, but NA is getting worse by the day this year. Such a pathetic showing. Dude, they faced fnatic. They need more experience against the top EU teams. I think this is more on how things are structured then on NA not training hard enough Meh, let's not pretend TL has a great team, even when talking about NA rosters. Yes the experience/training is a factor, but TL's roster does not compare at all to the great EU teams. on the other side last year u saw na unbeaten ibp lose vs europeans too ... na needs to step it up !
You are probably not going to see a great NA team for some time. They just failed to create a superteam with the last NA shuffle.
Yes C9 is a bit better, but still not enough imo to beat world-class teams. CLG is ok, but not a superteam either. And the others lag even further behind.
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On May 01 2015 22:23 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? sadly even if they win there nothing to win expect groupplace 3 On May 01 2015 22:15 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:05 Muffloe wrote:On May 01 2015 22:02 johnbongham wrote:
Where all all the posters here who berated me for saying that the NA scene completely died when IBP got banned and that the current teamliquid roster is the biggest joke of a team to get picked up by any major organization in the history of csgo? Not only was I right, but NA is getting worse by the day this year. Such a pathetic showing. Dude, they faced fnatic. They need more experience against the top EU teams. I think this is more on how things are structured then on NA not training hard enough Meh, let's not pretend TL has a great team, even when talking about NA rosters. Yes the experience/training is a factor, but TL's roster does not compare at all to the great EU teams. on the other side last year u saw na unbeaten ibp lose vs europeans too ... na needs to step it up ! You are probably not going to see a great NA team for some time. They just failed to create a superteam with the last NA shuffle. Yes C9 is a bit better, but still not enough imo to beat world-class teams. CLG is ok, but not a superteam either. And the others lag even further behind.
is ibuypower still playing ? wasnt they good last year ? (in na, they lost eeverythin in eu) ...
damn i rly would love good na teams because NA VS EU is always fun its like not only country fights where often players come from others but continental fights ^^ so ... sad if thats true what you say but lets hope it will change because NA must have talent i mean ... its big xD
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On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO !
Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better).
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On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better).
Yeah fnatic has been better than nip for like 9 months now.
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On May 01 2015 22:24 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:23 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? sadly even if they win there nothing to win expect groupplace 3 On May 01 2015 22:15 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:05 Muffloe wrote:On May 01 2015 22:02 johnbongham wrote:
Where all all the posters here who berated me for saying that the NA scene completely died when IBP got banned and that the current teamliquid roster is the biggest joke of a team to get picked up by any major organization in the history of csgo? Not only was I right, but NA is getting worse by the day this year. Such a pathetic showing. Dude, they faced fnatic. They need more experience against the top EU teams. I think this is more on how things are structured then on NA not training hard enough Meh, let's not pretend TL has a great team, even when talking about NA rosters. Yes the experience/training is a factor, but TL's roster does not compare at all to the great EU teams. on the other side last year u saw na unbeaten ibp lose vs europeans too ... na needs to step it up ! You are probably not going to see a great NA team for some time. They just failed to create a superteam with the last NA shuffle. Yes C9 is a bit better, but still not enough imo to beat world-class teams. CLG is ok, but not a superteam either. And the others lag even further behind. is ibuypower still playing ? wasnt they good last year ? (in na, they lost eeverythin in eu) ... damn i rly would love good na teams because NA VS EU is always fun its like not only country fights where often players come from others but continental fights ^^ so ... sad if thats true what you say but lets hope it will change because NA must have talent i mean ... its big xD
They almost all got banned for matchfixing (except skadoodle) which is the big problem NA has. They were clearly the best and most promising team in NA and they left a big void.
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I think Immunity can give Liquid a run for their money.
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On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better).
all i saw in last was the tournament where nip 2nd envyus 1st so jaeh envy is better tahts i know ^^ perhaps fnatic not played there xD
On May 01 2015 22:31 iv~nk~j wrote:
I think Immunity can give Liquid a run for their money.
i think its about motivation and tl cant be rly motivated after the game vs fnatic
FEW QUESTIONS:
1. what can i expect from elevate ? never heared of them or their players ? better then tl same level worse ? also no chance vs other teams in group b ?
2. was there a qualifier or why 2 american 1 australien etc team is on tournament ? anywhere where i can look ?
3. so can i expect tsm/nip/fnatic final ?
4. why the heck is envy not qualified ?
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On May 01 2015 22:32 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better). all i saw in last was the tournament where nip 2nd envyus 1st so jaeh envy is better tahts i know ^^ perhaps fnatic not played there xD
IIRC Fnatic was not at that tournament.
But then again, ranking does not occur on one tournament only.
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I don't know how long we can blame NA for being lazy, I'd rather blame structure  Like in SC2 when foreigners went to Korea they became really good. And it's not like those guys were slacking off when they were in NA/EU
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twitch ... "we had trouble loading this ad for you" while ad is running xD
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On May 01 2015 22:32 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better). all i saw in last was the tournament where nip 2nd envyus 1st so jaeh envy is better tahts i know ^^ perhaps fnatic not played there xD Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:31 iv~nk~j wrote:
I think Immunity can give Liquid a run for their money. i think its about motivation and tl cant be rly motivated after the game vs fnatic FEW QUESTIONS: 1. what can i expect from elevate ? never heared of them or their players ? better then tl same level worse ? also no chance vs other teams in group b ? 2. was there a qualifier or why 2 american 1 australien etc team is on tournament ? anywhere where i can look ? 3. so can i expect tsm/nip/fnatic final ? 4. why the heck is envy not qualified ?
1. Its another Tier2 NA team. They are not on the level of the good EU teams, I don't see them winning over TSM, Navi and VP.
2. They qualifiers were an regional online league afaik. And they simply allowed more EU teams in.
3. VP could be in the final too, Navi if they are in form.
4. They either did not bother playing in the online league, or did not make it, I don't know exactly. Top teams can allow themselves to pick and choose which "medium" tournaments they go to, as there are many of them.
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On May 01 2015 22:42 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:32 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better). all i saw in last was the tournament where nip 2nd envyus 1st so jaeh envy is better tahts i know ^^ perhaps fnatic not played there xD On May 01 2015 22:31 iv~nk~j wrote:
I think Immunity can give Liquid a run for their money. i think its about motivation and tl cant be rly motivated after the game vs fnatic FEW QUESTIONS: 1. what can i expect from elevate ? never heared of them or their players ? better then tl same level worse ? also no chance vs other teams in group b ? 2. was there a qualifier or why 2 american 1 australien etc team is on tournament ? anywhere where i can look ? 3. so can i expect tsm/nip/fnatic final ? 4. why the heck is envy not qualified ? 1. Its another Tier2 NA team. They are not on the level of the good EU teams, I don't see them winning over TSM, Navi and VP. 2. They qualifiers were an regional online league afaik. And they simply allowed more EU teams in. 3. VP could be in the final too, Navi if they are in form. 4. They either did not bother playing in the online league, or did not make it, I don't know exactly. Top teams can allow themselves to pick and choose which "medium" tournaments they go to, as there are many of them.
Envy actually didn't qualify
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On May 01 2015 22:46 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:42 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better). all i saw in last was the tournament where nip 2nd envyus 1st so jaeh envy is better tahts i know ^^ perhaps fnatic not played there xD On May 01 2015 22:31 iv~nk~j wrote:
I think Immunity can give Liquid a run for their money. i think its about motivation and tl cant be rly motivated after the game vs fnatic FEW QUESTIONS: 1. what can i expect from elevate ? never heared of them or their players ? better then tl same level worse ? also no chance vs other teams in group b ? 2. was there a qualifier or why 2 american 1 australien etc team is on tournament ? anywhere where i can look ? 3. so can i expect tsm/nip/fnatic final ? 4. why the heck is envy not qualified ? 1. Its another Tier2 NA team. They are not on the level of the good EU teams, I don't see them winning over TSM, Navi and VP. 2. They qualifiers were an regional online league afaik. And they simply allowed more EU teams in. 3. VP could be in the final too, Navi if they are in form. 4. They either did not bother playing in the online league, or did not make it, I don't know exactly. Top teams can allow themselves to pick and choose which "medium" tournaments they go to, as there are many of them. Envy actually didn't qualify
wow who kicked them out ?
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Germany3128 Posts
On May 01 2015 22:53 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:46 ArtyK wrote:On May 01 2015 22:42 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better). all i saw in last was the tournament where nip 2nd envyus 1st so jaeh envy is better tahts i know ^^ perhaps fnatic not played there xD On May 01 2015 22:31 iv~nk~j wrote:
I think Immunity can give Liquid a run for their money. i think its about motivation and tl cant be rly motivated after the game vs fnatic FEW QUESTIONS: 1. what can i expect from elevate ? never heared of them or their players ? better then tl same level worse ? also no chance vs other teams in group b ? 2. was there a qualifier or why 2 american 1 australien etc team is on tournament ? anywhere where i can look ? 3. so can i expect tsm/nip/fnatic final ? 4. why the heck is envy not qualified ? 1. Its another Tier2 NA team. They are not on the level of the good EU teams, I don't see them winning over TSM, Navi and VP. 2. They qualifiers were an regional online league afaik. And they simply allowed more EU teams in. 3. VP could be in the final too, Navi if they are in form. 4. They either did not bother playing in the online league, or did not make it, I don't know exactly. Top teams can allow themselves to pick and choose which "medium" tournaments they go to, as there are many of them. Envy actually didn't qualify wow who kicked them out ?
As the qualifiers were basically a region based league they were kicked out by the qualified eu teams. I remember them playing really sloppy in the Face It League.
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On May 01 2015 22:53 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 22:46 ArtyK wrote:On May 01 2015 22:42 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:32 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:25 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:21 Drake wrote:On May 01 2015 22:19 Roggay wrote:On May 01 2015 22:18 Drake wrote:
ok as after what happend vs fnatic i think we can all agree they would go 0-16 0-16 vs nip and never can leave this group BUT whats vs immunity ? they are aussis tl can beat them cant they ? Fnatic is better than NiP, just saying, but yea they should beat immunity. At least they should be able to beat them. fnatic not better then nip xD i dont buy that ^^ i love nip i will defend them with my life xD but jaeh i hope so much tl > immunity if tl lose to an australian team tl need a new lineup xD GOGO TL GOGO ! Don't get me wrong, NiP is my favorite team too, but this is not a reason to be blind. Fnatic and EnvyUs are clearly above the rest at 1 and 2. NiP is probably third (or 4th maybe if you think TSM is better). all i saw in last was the tournament where nip 2nd envyus 1st so jaeh envy is better tahts i know ^^ perhaps fnatic not played there xD On May 01 2015 22:31 iv~nk~j wrote:
I think Immunity can give Liquid a run for their money. i think its about motivation and tl cant be rly motivated after the game vs fnatic FEW QUESTIONS: 1. what can i expect from elevate ? never heared of them or their players ? better then tl same level worse ? also no chance vs other teams in group b ? 2. was there a qualifier or why 2 american 1 australien etc team is on tournament ? anywhere where i can look ? 3. so can i expect tsm/nip/fnatic final ? 4. why the heck is envy not qualified ? 1. Its another Tier2 NA team. They are not on the level of the good EU teams, I don't see them winning over TSM, Navi and VP. 2. They qualifiers were an regional online league afaik. And they simply allowed more EU teams in. 3. VP could be in the final too, Navi if they are in form. 4. They either did not bother playing in the online league, or did not make it, I don't know exactly. Top teams can allow themselves to pick and choose which "medium" tournaments they go to, as there are many of them. Envy actually didn't qualify wow who kicked them out ?
They just played awful in the group stage : https://kniferound.net/wiki/FACEIT_League_2015
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wow 4-10 xD jaeh THATS aweful xD
also nice seeing nip was first xD
edit: am i reading the schedule wrong or should the next game have started 7 minutes ago ?
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
good lord, did TL really pick cobblestone?
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On May 01 2015 23:06 amazingxkcd wrote:
good lord, did TL really pick cobblestone?
you mean on another map they could have gotten 3+ rounds ? xD
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On May 01 2015 23:08 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2015 23:06 amazingxkcd wrote:
good lord, did TL really pick cobblestone? you mean on another map they could have gotten 3+ rounds ? xD
Liquid's best map is cache IMO. why they don't choose to pick it is worrisome to me
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