• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:41
CEST 17:41
KST 00:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 20258Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder1EWC 2025 - Replay Pack2Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced26BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Serral wins EWC 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Afreeca app available on Samsung smart TV [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
How many questions are in the Publix survey?
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 642 users

TL Chess Match 6 - Page 42

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 61 Next
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 10 2012 18:47 GMT
#821
On December 11 2012 01:58 Maxyim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 14:00 qrs wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:59 Maxyim wrote:
Perhaps we should review the rules if one idiot can throw an entire 2+ month game for all involved. 18...Qe7 was terrible.
What should the rules be?

By the way, currently 5 votes for 19...Nxe7 including Ipsy's PM and Loki's conditional vote, with 12 active players on Team Black.


I think that we can employ some common sense toward the situation. If there is only one "good" move and some idiot posts computer analysis that includes it, he clearly needs to be evicted from the team and banned from the thread / Quick Topic, if possible, but his team should not be automatically forced into a terrible position on his account (particularly if people were discussing the move before the cheater weighed in). If there are multiple moves, then clearly we would close off the path generated by computer analysis, but I would suggest that we allow the team to continue voting on the alternate move.
I'm open to suggestions about how to conduct the game, and if there's some sort of general consensus about what to do in situations like this, I'm happy to go with it, but I did my best to take a sensible approach. A few points:

1) This is not a clearly terrible position, as compared with the one after 19...d4; it's not as though it blunders material. It's not even as though it's never been tried by high-level players. You may think that 19...Qxe7 is a much worse move than 19...d4, but saying that 19...d4 is the only "good" move and all others lead to "a terrible position" is just your unsupported opinion, which not everyone shares. To wit:

2) Black wasn't forced into it by the posted analysis, but by that along with the fact that before the analysis was posted, it was the most voted-for move. It's certainly quite possible that the vote would have swung to 19...d4 anyway, but it's also quite possible that it was the computer's analysis that swung the vote. Without any way to determine that, I think it's cleaner to count only votes that were not influenced by the analysis.

3) Even assuming that the played move is worse than the move Black would have played had the vote continued normally, it's unfortunate that a whole team has to suffer for the mistake of a single member, but the alternative is to let it benefit from it, and I think that's even worse.

4) It wasn't "some idiot" who posted analysis, it was a guy who'd been an actively contributing member of the team. Just as his past analysis has benefited the team, his recent mistake may have hurt them. That's how it goes.

Anyway, I think there's still plenty of play left in this game. I'm looking forward to seeing how this endgame is played out.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 19:08:00
December 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#822
On December 10 2012 10:59 Maxyim wrote:
Perhaps we should review the rules if one idiot can throw an entire 2+ month game for all involved. 18...Qe7 was terrible.

Edit: misunderstood the post
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 19:00:55
December 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#823
On December 11 2012 02:08 jdseemoreglass wrote:
If Kd2, then 20. ... Bd7 please.

By the way, I want to give thanks to qrs for doing all the work of setting up and maintaining this game.
You're welcome.

20. Kd2

+ Show Spoiler [Votes] +
20. Kd2 (6): Tansu+remember87, Maxyim, Zen5034, marvellosity, garbanzo
[image loading]
+ Show Spoiler [gone inactive] +
Malinor
remember87

+ Show Spoiler [gone active] +

+ Show Spoiler [unused time this move] +
51:26


Black's turn.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
December 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#824
20...Bd7
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 10 2012 20:08 GMT
#825
20. ... Bf5

Search your hearts.
You know this is the move of a man.
Now is the time
to be a man.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
timh
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands47 Posts
December 10 2012 20:23 GMT
#826
20...Bd7
ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 20:30:08
December 10 2012 20:29 GMT
#827
Edit: bishop d7 would be better
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
December 10 2012 22:45 GMT
#828
20...Bd7
UMS > Melee
Ipsy12
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany48 Posts
December 10 2012 23:44 GMT
#829
20. ... Bd7
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 00:58:29
December 11 2012 00:56 GMT
#830
20...Bd7

+ Show Spoiler [Votes] +
20...Bd7 (7): jdseemoreglass(c), hp.Shell, timh, ultratorr, Mr.Loki(c), KarlKaliente, Ipsy12
20...Bf5 (1): Dandel Ion
[image loading]
+ Show Spoiler [gone inactive] +
krawnicks

+ Show Spoiler [gone active] +
ultratorr

+ Show Spoiler [unused time this move] +
65:57


White's turn.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 11 2012 01:19 GMT
#831
No men.
No men at all.

What to expect from a team that opens French?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
krawnicks
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 01:33:02
December 11 2012 01:29 GMT
#832
On December 11 2012 10:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
No men.
No men at all.

What to expect from a team that opens French?


:D :D Thats why I never play french
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 18:45:48
December 11 2012 02:24 GMT
#833
21. Rae1
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 11 2012 04:44 GMT
#834
On December 11 2012 01:58 Maxyim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
Perhaps you should chill out.


Perhaps you should take a few moments to realize that I am not even on Team White, and am trying to start a constructive conversation that will benefit all involved.

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 14:00 qrs wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:59 Maxyim wrote:
Perhaps we should review the rules if one idiot can throw an entire 2+ month game for all involved. 18...Qe7 was terrible.
What should the rules be?

By the way, currently 5 votes for 19...Nxe7 including Ipsy's PM and Loki's conditional vote, with 12 active players on Team Black.


I think that we can employ some common sense toward the situation. If there is only one "good" move and some idiot posts computer analysis that includes it, he clearly needs to be evicted from the team and banned from the thread / Quick Topic, if possible, but his team should not be automatically forced into a terrible position on his account (particularly if people were discussing the move before the cheater weighed in). If there are multiple moves, then clearly we would close off the path generated by computer analysis, but I would suggest that we allow the team to continue voting on the alternate move.


It's not so much that ...d4 was the only good move as ...Qe7 was just a bad move. Really, almost anything would have been better than Qe7.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Telsh
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States148 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 05:25:45
December 11 2012 05:25 GMT
#835
this funny drama is always why i thought vote chess was dumb lol i've been following this game since it started waiting for hilarity to begin and finally i got rewarded =D
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 11 2012 05:26 GMT
#836
good for you lol
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Telsh
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States148 Posts
December 11 2012 05:28 GMT
#837
Thank you
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
December 11 2012 05:32 GMT
#838
On December 11 2012 14:25 Telsh wrote:
this funny drama is always why i thought vote chess was dumb lol i've been following this game since it started waiting for hilarity to begin and finally i got rewarded =D

This unnecessary post is always why I thought worthless comments were dumb. I've been playing this game since it started waiting for stupid comments to be posted and, finally, I got rewarded. :D
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
Tansu
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland63 Posts
December 11 2012 16:18 GMT
#839
21.Rab1
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
December 11 2012 16:38 GMT
#840
Conditional vote:

21. Rae1 (unless 21. f4 is going to win from tie-break rules then switch my vote to 21. Rab1 to break the tie before it happens)
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 61 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 18h 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 517
mcanning 269
Rex 119
ForJumy 43
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1821
Bisu 1443
Barracks 1018
Mini 984
Stork 838
EffOrt 826
Soma 636
Nal_rA 443
Larva 408
Snow 280
[ Show more ]
ZerO 266
Hyun 266
Rush 184
Mind 145
Killer 133
yabsab 130
Sharp 77
Movie 67
sas.Sziky 53
soO 53
sorry 39
sSak 33
Sea.KH 30
Free 29
scan(afreeca) 25
[sc1f]eonzerg 25
Terrorterran 20
JulyZerg 14
Shinee 8
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
Gorgc6866
qojqva3598
XcaliburYe227
League of Legends
Dendi864
Counter-Strike
fl0m3092
ScreaM1961
markeloff466
sgares400
flusha259
oskar198
edward25
Other Games
singsing1718
hiko1198
crisheroes396
Lowko322
Trikslyr49
ZerO(Twitch)22
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH106
• davetesta36
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 5358
• WagamamaTV649
League of Legends
• Nemesis5403
• Jankos1011
• TFBlade835
Other Games
• Shiphtur199
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 19m
WardiTV European League
1d
PiGosaur Monday
1d 8h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Online Event
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.