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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 10 2012 18:47 GMT
#821
On December 11 2012 01:58 Maxyim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 14:00 qrs wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:59 Maxyim wrote:
Perhaps we should review the rules if one idiot can throw an entire 2+ month game for all involved. 18...Qe7 was terrible.
What should the rules be?

By the way, currently 5 votes for 19...Nxe7 including Ipsy's PM and Loki's conditional vote, with 12 active players on Team Black.


I think that we can employ some common sense toward the situation. If there is only one "good" move and some idiot posts computer analysis that includes it, he clearly needs to be evicted from the team and banned from the thread / Quick Topic, if possible, but his team should not be automatically forced into a terrible position on his account (particularly if people were discussing the move before the cheater weighed in). If there are multiple moves, then clearly we would close off the path generated by computer analysis, but I would suggest that we allow the team to continue voting on the alternate move.
I'm open to suggestions about how to conduct the game, and if there's some sort of general consensus about what to do in situations like this, I'm happy to go with it, but I did my best to take a sensible approach. A few points:

1) This is not a clearly terrible position, as compared with the one after 19...d4; it's not as though it blunders material. It's not even as though it's never been tried by high-level players. You may think that 19...Qxe7 is a much worse move than 19...d4, but saying that 19...d4 is the only "good" move and all others lead to "a terrible position" is just your unsupported opinion, which not everyone shares. To wit:

2) Black wasn't forced into it by the posted analysis, but by that along with the fact that before the analysis was posted, it was the most voted-for move. It's certainly quite possible that the vote would have swung to 19...d4 anyway, but it's also quite possible that it was the computer's analysis that swung the vote. Without any way to determine that, I think it's cleaner to count only votes that were not influenced by the analysis.

3) Even assuming that the played move is worse than the move Black would have played had the vote continued normally, it's unfortunate that a whole team has to suffer for the mistake of a single member, but the alternative is to let it benefit from it, and I think that's even worse.

4) It wasn't "some idiot" who posted analysis, it was a guy who'd been an actively contributing member of the team. Just as his past analysis has benefited the team, his recent mistake may have hurt them. That's how it goes.

Anyway, I think there's still plenty of play left in this game. I'm looking forward to seeing how this endgame is played out.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 19:08:00
December 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#822
On December 10 2012 10:59 Maxyim wrote:
Perhaps we should review the rules if one idiot can throw an entire 2+ month game for all involved. 18...Qe7 was terrible.

Edit: misunderstood the post
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 19:00:55
December 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#823
On December 11 2012 02:08 jdseemoreglass wrote:
If Kd2, then 20. ... Bd7 please.

By the way, I want to give thanks to qrs for doing all the work of setting up and maintaining this game.
You're welcome.

20. Kd2

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20. Kd2 (6): Tansu+remember87, Maxyim, Zen5034, marvellosity, garbanzo
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Malinor
remember87

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51:26


Black's turn.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
December 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#824
20...Bd7
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 10 2012 20:08 GMT
#825
20. ... Bf5

Search your hearts.
You know this is the move of a man.
Now is the time
to be a man.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
timh
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands47 Posts
December 10 2012 20:23 GMT
#826
20...Bd7
ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-10 20:30:08
December 10 2012 20:29 GMT
#827
Edit: bishop d7 would be better
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
December 10 2012 22:45 GMT
#828
20...Bd7
UMS > Melee
Ipsy12
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany48 Posts
December 10 2012 23:44 GMT
#829
20. ... Bd7
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 00:58:29
December 11 2012 00:56 GMT
#830
20...Bd7

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20...Bd7 (7): jdseemoreglass(c), hp.Shell, timh, ultratorr, Mr.Loki(c), KarlKaliente, Ipsy12
20...Bf5 (1): Dandel Ion
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krawnicks

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ultratorr

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65:57


White's turn.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 11 2012 01:19 GMT
#831
No men.
No men at all.

What to expect from a team that opens French?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
krawnicks
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany46 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 01:33:02
December 11 2012 01:29 GMT
#832
On December 11 2012 10:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
No men.
No men at all.

What to expect from a team that opens French?


:D :D Thats why I never play french
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 18:45:48
December 11 2012 02:24 GMT
#833
21. Rae1
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 11 2012 04:44 GMT
#834
On December 11 2012 01:58 Maxyim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
Perhaps you should chill out.


Perhaps you should take a few moments to realize that I am not even on Team White, and am trying to start a constructive conversation that will benefit all involved.

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 14:00 qrs wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:59 Maxyim wrote:
Perhaps we should review the rules if one idiot can throw an entire 2+ month game for all involved. 18...Qe7 was terrible.
What should the rules be?

By the way, currently 5 votes for 19...Nxe7 including Ipsy's PM and Loki's conditional vote, with 12 active players on Team Black.


I think that we can employ some common sense toward the situation. If there is only one "good" move and some idiot posts computer analysis that includes it, he clearly needs to be evicted from the team and banned from the thread / Quick Topic, if possible, but his team should not be automatically forced into a terrible position on his account (particularly if people were discussing the move before the cheater weighed in). If there are multiple moves, then clearly we would close off the path generated by computer analysis, but I would suggest that we allow the team to continue voting on the alternate move.


It's not so much that ...d4 was the only good move as ...Qe7 was just a bad move. Really, almost anything would have been better than Qe7.
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Telsh
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States148 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 05:25:45
December 11 2012 05:25 GMT
#835
this funny drama is always why i thought vote chess was dumb lol i've been following this game since it started waiting for hilarity to begin and finally i got rewarded =D
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 11 2012 05:26 GMT
#836
good for you lol
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Telsh
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States148 Posts
December 11 2012 05:28 GMT
#837
Thank you
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
December 11 2012 05:32 GMT
#838
On December 11 2012 14:25 Telsh wrote:
this funny drama is always why i thought vote chess was dumb lol i've been following this game since it started waiting for hilarity to begin and finally i got rewarded =D

This unnecessary post is always why I thought worthless comments were dumb. I've been playing this game since it started waiting for stupid comments to be posted and, finally, I got rewarded. :D
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
Tansu
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland63 Posts
December 11 2012 16:18 GMT
#839
21.Rab1
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
December 11 2012 16:38 GMT
#840
Conditional vote:

21. Rae1 (unless 21. f4 is going to win from tie-break rules then switch my vote to 21. Rab1 to break the tie before it happens)
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
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