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trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
July 18 2013 15:55 GMT
#9401
In descent I die in Frozen Abyss every time. How the hell are you supposed to get through there without getting freeze locked and dying?
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 16:00:15
July 18 2013 16:00 GMT
#9402
On July 19 2013 00:30 vvSiegvv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 00:09 ZoRoXo wrote:
Both are junk. Pretty hard to sell leveling gear unless they have hp + atleast 2 element resists, or crazy attack speed + good damage rolls. Most specs can rush trough leveling with ease if they know the game well, and those who can't can just run in group. There's possible to find some really nice rings on cruel though, which can be worth a couple chaos later.

Edit: Just made 23 overall 6th ranger on the descent race lvl18 and 95% towards 19. Is rain of arrows really better than split arrow? Last time I watched nugiyens stream when he made top10 he used rain of arrows for aoe and I don't really see how it's superior unless you're surrounded. Split arrow with fork can clean entire rooms with just a few shots from a really safe distance...

Also tried poison arrow instead of burning arrow this time, the tooltip dps on burning is higher, and the mana cost on poison is also higher. So next time I'll try to stick with burning + forked split to see if I can hopefully break top20.
Poison arrow seemed better on the unique resser boss though, since I remember last time I got bad res rng and he kept ressing infront of him so his shield would regen. Also the statue area is resistant vs chaos damage.



Alright thanks for the info! Just out of curiosity what type of rings would be valuable? Or the better question is why these rings are valuable, as I'm assuming there would be better versions of them dropping in merciless? I'm still learning in regards to the economy in this game. XD

You can get every single damage roll on a ring by ilvl 50.You can get the max life roll at ilvl 44. IAS is an ilvl 1 roll. Cast speed is an ilvl 10 roll. You have access to the highest tier all res roll (ilvl 60) and access to some okay elemental rolls. The only reason you would need a higher ilvl piece of jewelry is for high IIR/IIQ rolls, or perfect resistances.

http://poemods.com/index.php?item_type=ring
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 16:18:43
July 18 2013 16:12 GMT
#9403
On July 19 2013 00:09 ZoRoXo wrote:Edit: Just made 23 overall 6th ranger on the descent race lvl18 and 95% towards 19. Is rain of arrows really better than split arrow? Last time I watched nugiyens stream when he made top10 he used rain of arrows for aoe and I don't really see how it's superior unless you're surrounded. Split arrow with fork can clean entire rooms with just a few shots from a really safe distance...
AFAIK, every record was set with Rain of Arrows. It deals more damage than split arrow + fork, doesn't require a link and costs less mana. Burning Arrow unlinked for single target damage, RoA unlinked for groups (linking it to Faster Projectile is usually a waste, unless that extra 5% damage allows you to one shot packs..)

Basically, you do not play safe in a race. You simply charge in a room, get surrounded, RoA your own face and move on. Split Arrow unsupported *might* be better in the Desecrated Shrine zone (after hall of heroes), to make sure you stun chargers before they get to you, but that would imply you had a green socket the entire way to level it. Juggling both might be a good idea.

On another note, I'm feeling very good about my early game now. I'm almost 5 mins ahead at the Frozen Abyss without any gear drop, which means I should be able to routinely get 1.2M runs with a strong Composite bow or good gear. Adjustments I made were killing more bandits/dogs in the 2nd zone while they chase me down, skipping Messier and Sawbones, and going faster through the Goatmen zone to barely hit level 6 before moving to the Spider zone. Then hunt the large chest in the Spider zone by first going up/left, if it's not there, straight right to the other end of the zone, then north to the exit right around level 9. Get level 10 in the Statue zone if possible (usually at the boss after running through the zone), grats, you made Frozen Abyss in ~20 mins with no damage at all.
On July 19 2013 00:55 trias_e wrote:
In descent I die in Frozen Abyss every time. How the hell are you supposed to get through there without getting freeze locked and dying?
Which class? The main idea is to never get hit by a freeze pulse, which is easy on a Ranger, but harder in melee. You basically run right past merveil's daughters that can't spawn exploders. You only need level 11 for the monkey zone.
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
July 18 2013 16:28 GMT
#9404
On July 19 2013 01:00 Varanice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 00:30 vvSiegvv wrote:
On July 19 2013 00:09 ZoRoXo wrote:
Both are junk. Pretty hard to sell leveling gear unless they have hp + atleast 2 element resists, or crazy attack speed + good damage rolls. Most specs can rush trough leveling with ease if they know the game well, and those who can't can just run in group. There's possible to find some really nice rings on cruel though, which can be worth a couple chaos later.

Edit: Just made 23 overall 6th ranger on the descent race lvl18 and 95% towards 19. Is rain of arrows really better than split arrow? Last time I watched nugiyens stream when he made top10 he used rain of arrows for aoe and I don't really see how it's superior unless you're surrounded. Split arrow with fork can clean entire rooms with just a few shots from a really safe distance...

Also tried poison arrow instead of burning arrow this time, the tooltip dps on burning is higher, and the mana cost on poison is also higher. So next time I'll try to stick with burning + forked split to see if I can hopefully break top20.
Poison arrow seemed better on the unique resser boss though, since I remember last time I got bad res rng and he kept ressing infront of him so his shield would regen. Also the statue area is resistant vs chaos damage.



Alright thanks for the info! Just out of curiosity what type of rings would be valuable? Or the better question is why these rings are valuable, as I'm assuming there would be better versions of them dropping in merciless? I'm still learning in regards to the economy in this game. XD

You can get every single damage roll on a ring by ilvl 50.You can get the max life roll at ilvl 44. IAS is an ilvl 1 roll. Cast speed is an ilvl 10 roll. You have access to the highest tier all res roll (ilvl 60) and access to some okay elemental rolls. The only reason you would need a higher ilvl piece of jewelry is for high IIR/IIQ rolls, or perfect resistances.

http://poemods.com/index.php?item_type=ring


Ah thanks for the info! That site is really helpful, I appreciate it.
WuzzupPeeps
Profile Joined October 2009
130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 18:33:25
July 18 2013 18:33 GMT
#9405
How should I go about obtaining a 5L/6L item? I'm on my first poe character (soon to be CI cold witch) and just got myself to act 2 merciless at level 60. I currently have a 30ish% fire/ice/lightning resist + 60% ES chest with really crappy base stats (300 armor 80ES). I want to try to buy some fusings so I can get a 5L but I think it's a waste; on the other hand this chest helps alot with capping my resists and I'd hate to throw it away for a random white item that might not give me decent rare stats :/
Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
July 18 2013 18:53 GMT
#9406
On July 19 2013 03:33 WuzzupPeeps wrote:
How should I go about obtaining a 5L/6L item? I'm on my first poe character (soon to be CI cold witch) and just got myself to act 2 merciless at level 60. I currently have a 30ish% fire/ice/lightning resist + 60% ES chest with really crappy base stats (300 armor 80ES). I want to try to buy some fusings so I can get a 5L but I think it's a waste; on the other hand this chest helps alot with capping my resists and I'd hate to throw it away for a random white item that might not give me decent rare stats :/


don't roll a 5L on your first play through, just buy one. You could get lucky and get one in under 10 fusings or you could dump hundreds for nothing
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 22:10:09
July 18 2013 22:09 GMT
#9407
Just played in the BLAMT 1H Party race, rolled a Ranger because i've never actually played BLAMT before. Was playing with my mapping group on Anarchy, we started with 6, two died on the beach, one died in mud flats, so it was just 3 of us. Our 3rd guy had to log three different times, so he was pretty far behind us on levels (but he was still 2nd Shadow overall even though he was like 40th, rofl.) I ended up getting to level 9 at Ledge and placed 15th Ranger and 27th overall, was pretty interesting. had close to 200 life and 50 or ES by the end.

Edit: Our other guy got 25th and 13th Ranger, I think.
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
July 18 2013 22:15 GMT
#9408
I tried it solo, thinking I'd be playing tonight's race, but it's very, very boring. Got lvl 8 and a half after dying early. You basically reroll every instance until it goes up, and if you leave a pack of blue corpses on the ground, you have to go around or jump in and out to see if there's a detonation totem somewhere.

I'm never playing in these again, that's for sure =)
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
July 18 2013 22:18 GMT
#9409
I didn't mind it, it forced me to play a lot differently than any other race I've played in, for sure.

What exactly do the mods do? Like 375% more damage, 60% attack speed, 60% move speed, BM and a million totems basically? Yeah, you can't skip anything. Haha. In retrospect if as many of our party didn't die we probably should have tried to get to lower prison and farm there because we were leveling pretty slowly near the end of the race and ended up losing about 5-10 ranks or so as a result.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 18 2013 22:18 GMT
#9410
BLAMT makes you very happy corpse detonation totems aren't in the game normally, shit's ridiculous, especially the range
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
ZoRoXo
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-18 22:56:39
July 18 2013 22:55 GMT
#9411
On July 19 2013 01:12 Pwere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2013 00:09 ZoRoXo wrote:Edit: Just made 23 overall 6th ranger on the descent race lvl18 and 95% towards 19. Is rain of arrows really better than split arrow? Last time I watched nugiyens stream when he made top10 he used rain of arrows for aoe and I don't really see how it's superior unless you're surrounded. Split arrow with fork can clean entire rooms with just a few shots from a really safe distance...
AFAIK, every record was set with Rain of Arrows. It deals more damage than split arrow + fork, doesn't require a link and costs less mana. Burning Arrow unlinked for single target damage, RoA unlinked for groups (linking it to Faster Projectile is usually a waste, unless that extra 5% damage allows you to one shot packs..)

Basically, you do not play safe in a race. You simply charge in a room, get surrounded, RoA your own face and move on. Split Arrow unsupported *might* be better in the Desecrated Shrine zone (after hall of heroes), to make sure you stun chargers before they get to you, but that would imply you had a green socket the entire way to level it. Juggling both might be a good idea.



Yeah I think playing too safe is my main problem. I just got pretty scared after some nasty desynchs in the alira area that puts me in the face of molten shell explosions. That, and the big curtains that shoot fire is probably the only thing I'd worry about next time.
The small charging curtains actually did surprisingly low damage.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 19 2013 00:30 GMT
#9412
Lost 3K armor on my ranger, barely any increase in DPS. Kinda annoyed.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
July 20 2013 03:29 GMT
#9413
10th, 2nd Duelist in this 24min race...
Very interesting race format. 24 mins forces you to push for Upper prison, and running through the puncture dog area in turbo mode is rather... thrilling. Upper is no cakewalk either.

For some reason, tons of people went Ranger even though it's the weakest in these short races...
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 03:40:25
July 20 2013 03:34 GMT
#9414
I placed 49th (45th actually, 4 people died) overall, but I just didn't get a weapon. 2 white rusted spikes transmuted with 1-2 fire damage and one had 5% incr. elemental damage. Apparently BZ won the race because he rolled two IPD weapons, one with 50% and one with 30%. But he seriously said "my rng wasn't that good". Honestly with two weapons like that anyone can hit lvl 11. I was 9.5 and had the two shittiest weapons possible.

pwere, had BZ not been this lucky you would have easily won duelist. I'm not even kidding, I don't understand how some people just get the most insane weapons in these short races, it's kind of annoying.
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 04:06:52
July 20 2013 03:59 GMT
#9415
You forget to account for the fact that I got sick RNG as well, and only got 2nd by ~100 xp, with my character dual striking a mob down after the league was finished

I got a blue sword off hillock that had cold dmg, bought an iron ring + axe, found a coral ring, medium mana and rustic sash early ledge, and the transmute I used on the first copper sword I got gave me ~45% IPD and life on kill near the end of ledge. I had a 40dps Cleave by the upper prison (he probably had ~50dps).

At that point you only need a good upper... mine had only a single pack of blues and a shitty layout. To get ~50k xp in his last 5 mins, he probably had 15+ champions on that level. Then I need to improve my run to the prison, I lost a lot of time almost dying to puncture..
SlixSC
Profile Joined October 2012
666 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 04:19:20
July 20 2013 04:15 GMT
#9416
On July 20 2013 12:59 Pwere wrote:
You forget to account for the fact that I got sick RNG as well, and only got 2nd by ~100 xp, with my character dual striking a mob down after the league was finished

I got a blue sword off hillock that had cold dmg, bought an iron ring + axe, found a coral ring, medium mana and rustic sash early ledge, and the transmute I used on the first copper sword I got gave me ~45% IPD and life on kill near the end of ledge. I had a 40dps Cleave by the upper prison (he probably had ~50dps).

At that point you only need a good upper... mine had only a single pack of blues and a shitty layout. To get ~50k xp in his last 5 mins, he probably had 15+ champions on that level. Then I need to improve my run to the prison, I lost a lot of time almost dying to puncture..


I honestly think they need to fix the brackets of item rolls so that people can't roll 40% IPD with level 5 items. It just makes the competition really unfair. I have no idea how I'm supposed to keep up with you guys who roll weapons with 2x the damage of my weapons. I understand that RNG will always be a factor, but I just don't think it's fair that people can roll these insane weapons at such a low level.

They could make it so that 1h weapons below level 10 can only roll 15-20% IPD, that would only really nerf the duelist, which is easily the strongest race class anyway and make the competition alot more fair.
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
July 20 2013 04:49 GMT
#9417
Rolling any damage mod early on is way too important. But I'm not sure there's a way to fix it. It is a bit dumb that the first roll is 20-50%, but any elemental dmg roll is already 30%+, with lightning being closer to 70%. At least you can usually buy iron rings and a rustic sash in these races, or possibly a 2h sword if you made level 2 before the mud flats waypoint. The only way to fix them is to have one every day and let people roll the dice!
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
July 20 2013 05:23 GMT
#9418
Rng constraints have no place in action rpgs. The hope of "the lucky drop" is what makes a majority of the fun for most people.
Also it makes the (solo) races way more interesting- it's already tilted heavily towards a dozen players as it is, but who knows- may this time you might get lucky...
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 17:44:55
July 20 2013 14:58 GMT
#9419
In the 24 minute turbo hillock dropped...nothing but whites for me and there wasn't a two-hander for my marauder at the shop. Then I just kind of cried and curled up in a corner and soldiered on. Also had to log before getting the depths waypoint.

Then later on I stupidly didn't just log off when Kraitlyn punctured in Onslaught Cruel. Time to try something quirky and go for Searing Bond Marauder with 16% freeze mine (already have the searing touch). If anyone has a +quality searing bond gem I'd love to trade you for it, I have the devil's luck with currency drops even if I die a lot.

Edit: Never mind. Searing bond stinks something fierce.
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
July 20 2013 15:24 GMT
#9420
Can the shop sell 2h weapons at level 1? I thought it required lvl 2.
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