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Airship
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
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LesPhoques
Canada782 Posts
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
On May 09 2011 09:55 iLuminar wrote: What do you think Barca will have when even against RM they had 65% plus? Since when has RM been a possension-centric side? Even taking the final game, which Madrid had to score two goals, we didn't play with a focus on holding the ball at all. Watch Kaka and Ozil in that game. Both of them took up good positions to receive the ball, but long-balls/individual plays were almost always favoured. Hell, aside from Ozil, none of our mid-field is really great at ball retention. RM certainly wasn't possession-centric side this season (even in most games outside of Barca), and while we have had plenty of players capable of playing possession-centric football, our style and MU's have been rather similar - i.e. very direct football - in recent memory. | ||
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pyro19
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On May 09 2011 13:19 LesPhoques wrote: I expect 3-0, Barcelona beating Manchester United. No offense but only premier league team who can play football is Arsenal, with Liverpool coming back. Man U and Chelsea were always overrated. Hahahahaha , You mean the biggest bunch of bottlers in the history of the Premier league? | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On May 09 2011 13:31 pyro19 wrote: Hahahahaha , You mean the biggest bunch of bottlers in the history of the Premier league? i totally read this as "botters" and i laughed cuz i thought you were being clever about them being robotic and mindless and preprogrammed, etc. then i re-read it. | ||
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Airship
United States465 Posts
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iLuminar
United Kingdom42 Posts
On May 09 2011 13:30 Spinfusor wrote: Since when has RM been a possension-centric side? Even taking the final game, which Madrid had to score two goals, we didn't play with a focus on holding the ball at all. Watch Kaka and Ozil in that game. Both of them took up good positions to receive the ball, but long-balls/individual plays were almost always favoured. Hell, aside from Ozil, none of our mid-field is really great at ball retention. RM certainly wasn't possession-centric side this season (even in most games outside of Barca), and while we have had plenty of players capable of playing possession-centric football, our style and MU's have been rather similar - i.e. very direct football - in recent memory. Well I remember a far superior RM side with Zidane at the helm and they were possession centric and it worked brilliantly. However, in saying that possession stat vs Barca, I was complimenting RM's talent in terms of breaking up possession. Players like Diarra, Khedira, Pepe make their living in breaking up the play of the opposition and are a lot better at it than anyone for Man Utd, so what I meant was if those RM guys couldn't do it, what chance do Carrick and co have in the midfield? And Airship, possession means nothing? You mustn't have played football at any kind of decent standard then, because trust me, when all you do is chase shadows, you get very tired quickly. It's a much easier game with the ball. Aside from that, purely in terms of probabilities, ball in play time in the average game is only about 50-60 mins or so? So if Barca have 70% of that vs Man Utd, it leaves Man Utd only 15-25 mins in possession and less time to score a goal. This is why Barca's defensive record is so good, you don't defend when you have the ball. It's not everything, but it certainly means a lot more than nothing dude. | ||
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Spinfusor
Australia410 Posts
On May 10 2011 08:01 iLuminar wrote: Well I remember a far superior RM side with Zidane at the helm and they were possession centric and it worked brilliantly. However, in saying that possession stat vs Barca, I was complimenting RM's talent in terms of breaking up possession. Players like Diarra, Khedira, Pepe make their living in breaking up the play of the opposition and are a lot better at it than anyone for Man Utd, so what I meant was if those RM guys couldn't do it, what chance do Carrick and co have in the midfield? While they were definitely capable of playing tiki-taka, Galacticos MK. 1 were not possession-centric. Take a look, for example, at when RM 2-0'd Barca away in the CL in 2002 (I hope this is the right match). They didn't give away 70% possession like this classico, but they still were not the possession-centric side the Barca is (and was then). Also, I'm not sure how the point about RM's ability to break up play supports your point. In the games where RM sat back, RM were very happy to let Barca play around with possession (hence why the ball spent alot of time in Barca's half) outside of dangerous areas. While I don't really think much of Carrick, Fletcher and Park (both big game players) I think may be very useful and effective against Barca. | ||
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Waund
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You can't really compare Barca and Man Utd's defensive records. La Liga is essentially a joke league, doesn't come close to the PL in terms of competition or quality. Barca > Real > everyone else. Premier League will have as many as 6 teams vying for the top spot next season, and as many as 8 vying for 4th place. | ||
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Airship
United States465 Posts
On May 10 2011 08:01 iLuminar wrote: And Airship, possession means nothing? You mustn't have played football at any kind of decent standard then, because trust me, when all you do is chase shadows, you get very tired quickly. It's a much easier game with the ball. Aside from that, purely in terms of probabilities, ball in play time in the average game is only about 50-60 mins or so? So if Barca have 70% of that vs Man Utd, it leaves Man Utd only 15-25 mins in possession and less time to score a goal. This is why Barca's defensive record is so good, you don't defend when you have the ball. It's not everything, but it certainly means a lot more than nothing dude. I think you'll find that games are won or lost based on the final score actually. This tends to be influenced mostly by attacking and defensive ability. Possession is certainly something that happens in a game, but as I illustrated perfectly with my Shalke example, it doesn't give you an accurate reading of how a game went. There's usually correlation because of the reasons you mention, which is why lazy pundits believe it's a good shorthand for dominance in a game. This completely fails to appreciate that some teams are confident off the ball. Let me teach you a little lesson about football, I'll even make it about Manchester United vs Barcelona just to make this as simple as I possibly can. In 2008 in the champions league semi final, Manchester United faced Barcelona. The teams played 180+ minutes of football over two legs, during which Barcelona had the lionshare of possession. The final score? 1-0 to United, due to a Barcelona player accidentally shinning a loose ball directly into the path of Paul Scholes who let rip a screamer into the top corner. One single kick defeated Barcelona over two legs. And truth be told, Manchester United looked as comfortable as Barca throughout. In practice, possession is de facto meaningless. Goals win games. | ||
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
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BabyGiraldo
United States135 Posts
On May 09 2011 09:55 iLuminar wrote: Do you not find it a bit worrying Schalke had most of the possession at Trafford? Schalke were horrendous, and still had most of the ball. Schalke must of been the worst team ever in a champs league semi final in terms of quality. Schalke had about 60% of the ball? What do you think Barca will have when even against RM they had 65% plus? Messi and co have a special performance lined up for Man Utd I suspect  And yes possession is not everything, but if you only have 30%, you give yourself a much smaller window to do any damage, and by definition, you give them more chance.That being said, two excellent teams who do things the right way, 8 local boys likely to start for Barca, is that not amazing to anyone else? Man Utd too, still just about defying the EPL 'buy your way to the top' mentality, fielding plenty of British talent too. Please not too defensive Fergie, fight fire with fire and take Barca on in a game of football No I don't find that worrying, Manchester had just beaten Shalke 2-0 away, they were just going to play defensively. I would think Barcelona is nervous knowing Manchester beat Shalke 4-1 with 40% possession trying to defend a lead. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8916 Posts
i hope youre not a park hater because i would call you a disgrace | ||
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ILoveCoffee
Malaysia164 Posts
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Nesquik
United Kingdom600 Posts
I'm really looking forwards to the game i think if Rooney is playing well and linking up well with Hernandez like they do. It could be a great game. http://blogs.bettor.com/Brazilian-legend-Pele-thinks-Javier-Hernandez-could-be-the-next-Lionel-Messi-a67775 | ||
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