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On May 31 2011 09:48 iLuminar wrote:
What is this nonsensical bias towards the EPL? The EPL is the best in the world, why? Is it because of well structured youth systems producing top level football for the best teams in England? Is it fuck, its foreign money and foreign players that make the EPL the best in the world. Do none of you feel more inspired by watching local boys (either born or grew up in catalonia) plus Abi, Alves and Villa torch Man Utd..the best in the 'amazing' EPL? Wouldn't you rather see English teams take the time to change the way we approach the game, abandon the 'smash it up to the big lad' styles and home grow our way to stylish success like Barca have achieved? Then I would be proud of our 'English' Prem League.
Because there is more than one way to play football. It's not Barca's way or the highway.
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What the hell is wrong with long ball? It's fucking epic. None of this pansy wansy daego widdly widdly twinkle toes rubbish. Centre Half to Striker, Striker to goal. Pint of Guinness/ Ale. This is England.
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On June 01 2011 05:14 Stimp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 09:48 iLuminar wrote:
What is this nonsensical bias towards the EPL? The EPL is the best in the world, why? Is it because of well structured youth systems producing top level football for the best teams in England? Is it fuck, its foreign money and foreign players that make the EPL the best in the world. Do none of you feel more inspired by watching local boys (either born or grew up in catalonia) plus Abi, Alves and Villa torch Man Utd..the best in the 'amazing' EPL? Wouldn't you rather see English teams take the time to change the way we approach the game, abandon the 'smash it up to the big lad' styles and home grow our way to stylish success like Barca have achieved? Then I would be proud of our 'English' Prem League. Because there is more than one way to play football. It's not Barca's way or the highway.
There are also many ways to play attractive, entertaining, attacking football. Barca are just one of the teams with the bravery to do this in every game. On a smaller scale, look at the way Blackpool punched above their weight with attacking play to get promotion. Swansea have now done the same. I prefer this to 'kick and run'.
sc4k, I'm sure you're just joking, but if we continue to think that way on international levels, we'll continue to be humiliated at international competitions. Dated, boring, skilless styles 
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sc4k finds it entertaining, you don't. Who is right who is wrong?
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On June 01 2011 05:45 sc4k wrote:
What the hell is wrong with long ball? It's fucking epic. None of this pansy wansy daego widdly widdly twinkle toes rubbish. Centre Half to Striker, Striker to goal. Pint of Guinness/ Ale. This is England.
Yeah it works so well for us doesn't it.
66 was a long time ago.
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rofl, Carling Cup... really, that's where we're going here? I thought we were talking about high level play...
Barcelona's system relies heavily on their teamwork and movement to create space and requires better players (than the opposing team) to pull off. However, when you have a great team playing a lesser team, I'd be willing to bet this style wins more than any other because it more effectively exploits your team's advantages and creates more opportunities for the lesser team to make mistakes that can be punished.
You can't just say "England should play a possession-oriented style like Spain" because then you're playing the same strategy against a team with better players to play it.
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On June 01 2011 07:47 ZessiM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 05:45 sc4k wrote:
What the hell is wrong with long ball? It's fucking epic. None of this pansy wansy daego widdly widdly twinkle toes rubbish. Centre Half to Striker, Striker to goal. Pint of Guinness/ Ale. This is England. Yeah it works so well for us doesn't it. 66 was a long time ago.
If we adopted a stoke style of play we would win all the trophies. We need Rory Delap and 10 other random players who are at least 250 lbs and 6 4. Play in a large unit, a 'push' if you will. Plus a keeper who can kick the ball into the 6 yard box. Screw all those fancy pants zidanes and maradonas.
Pro tip: have everyone playing in the opponent's half and play offside off the midfield line.
Problem, twinkle toes?
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On June 01 2011 08:38 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:47 ZessiM wrote:On June 01 2011 05:45 sc4k wrote:
What the hell is wrong with long ball? It's fucking epic. None of this pansy wansy daego widdly widdly twinkle toes rubbish. Centre Half to Striker, Striker to goal. Pint of Guinness/ Ale. This is England. Yeah it works so well for us doesn't it. 66 was a long time ago. If we adopted a stoke style of play we would win all the trophies. We need Rory Delap and 10 other random players who are at least 250 lbs and 6 4. Play in a large unit, a 'push' if you will. Plus a keeper who can kick the ball into the 6 yard box. Screw all those fancy pants zidanes and maradonas. Pro tip: have everyone playing in the opponent's half and play offside off the midfield line. Problem, twinkle toes?
Giving up 5 + Goals per game?
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On June 01 2011 08:38 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:47 ZessiM wrote:On June 01 2011 05:45 sc4k wrote:
What the hell is wrong with long ball? It's fucking epic. None of this pansy wansy daego widdly widdly twinkle toes rubbish. Centre Half to Striker, Striker to goal. Pint of Guinness/ Ale. This is England. Yeah it works so well for us doesn't it. 66 was a long time ago. If we adopted a stoke style of play we would win all the trophies. We need Rory Delap and 10 other random players who are at least 250 lbs and 6 4. Play in a large unit, a 'push' if you will. Plus a keeper who can kick the ball into the 6 yard box. Screw all those fancy pants zidanes and maradonas. Pro tip: have everyone playing in the opponent's half and play offside off the midfield line. Problem, twinkle toes?
Wow, trying to play football with as little actual use of the foot as possible. I like it. I have no respect for a player if he can't score a goal with his head. I'm looking at you Messi.
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On June 02 2011 17:03 ZessiM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 08:38 sc4k wrote:On June 01 2011 07:47 ZessiM wrote:On June 01 2011 05:45 sc4k wrote:
What the hell is wrong with long ball? It's fucking epic. None of this pansy wansy daego widdly widdly twinkle toes rubbish. Centre Half to Striker, Striker to goal. Pint of Guinness/ Ale. This is England. Yeah it works so well for us doesn't it. 66 was a long time ago. If we adopted a stoke style of play we would win all the trophies. We need Rory Delap and 10 other random players who are at least 250 lbs and 6 4. Play in a large unit, a 'push' if you will. Plus a keeper who can kick the ball into the 6 yard box. Screw all those fancy pants zidanes and maradonas. Pro tip: have everyone playing in the opponent's half and play offside off the midfield line. Problem, twinkle toes? Wow, trying to play football with as little actual use of the foot as possible. I like it. I have no respect for a player if he can't score a goal with his head. I'm looking at you Messi.
Lol? He has actually scored quite a few headers despite his size,one of em was the second goal in 2009 Champions League final,jumping over ferdinand.
Edit: Unless you're being sarcastic,I can't tell tbh,xP.
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There are other ways to play this game and thats what makes it great, true, but to me and many others the possession-based style of Barca is both the most effective and most visually appealing way. Their skill, movement and decision-making is a joy to watch. Made the supposed best team in England look like a bunch of school kids.
And IMO Sc4ks sarcasm in this thread is sailing over more heads then Van Der Sars rugby kicks to Rooney.
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On June 02 2011 18:07 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 17:03 ZessiM wrote:On June 01 2011 08:38 sc4k wrote:On June 01 2011 07:47 ZessiM wrote:On June 01 2011 05:45 sc4k wrote:
What the hell is wrong with long ball? It's fucking epic. None of this pansy wansy daego widdly widdly twinkle toes rubbish. Centre Half to Striker, Striker to goal. Pint of Guinness/ Ale. This is England. Yeah it works so well for us doesn't it. 66 was a long time ago. If we adopted a stoke style of play we would win all the trophies. We need Rory Delap and 10 other random players who are at least 250 lbs and 6 4. Play in a large unit, a 'push' if you will. Plus a keeper who can kick the ball into the 6 yard box. Screw all those fancy pants zidanes and maradonas. Pro tip: have everyone playing in the opponent's half and play offside off the midfield line. Problem, twinkle toes? Wow, trying to play football with as little actual use of the foot as possible. I like it. I have no respect for a player if he can't score a goal with his head. I'm looking at you Messi. Lol? He has actually scored quite a few headers despite his size,one of em was the second goal in 2009 Champions League final,jumping over ferdinand. Edit: Unless you're being sarcastic,I can't tell tbh,xP.
I was being sarcastic but the fails on me because I forgot about that goal xD
Messi so sick 0.0
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On June 02 2011 04:51 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +rofl, Carling Cup... really, that's where we're going here? I thought we were talking about high level play... Because Arsenal aren't a high level team trying to emulate Barcelona's passing style?
I've never seen Arsenal play starters in the Carling Cup. I guess I couldn't say that they don't because the first 5 or 6 matches of CC I saw had all the backups playing to rest their starters for real competition, so I decided to never again watch a CC match. My friend says Wenger doesn't even play their starters if they reach the final, although some other teams do.
Either way, Arsenal don't have the players to play that style and win against top teams. Their central defending has always been weak and prone to misplaying the ball and in that style your wings and fullbacks present further forward and there is a lot of passing required of your defenders, so mistakes in your central defense are magnified. Fabregas is one of the best central midfielders in the world (I think he's the best, but I can see why others are rated so highly), but you need several players of his caliber to play the style because you rely so heavily on precise passing and a misplay of a few inches on any of the passes can lead to a devastating counterattack.
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