EPTSkirn vs Jaug
Edit: Game over.
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Skirn 1-2 Jaug
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
Skirn vs Jaug Edit: Game over. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
Megelrov vs Catyoul (high elf) vs (wood elf) Edit : game over + Show Spoiler + Megelrov won 3-2 | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
As a commisioner, the limits of the software give me 3 options. 1) Keep the score after disconnect, rewarding Kielbasa and severely punishing Brownjesus. 2) Reset the game, play again. 3) Invent a game result, wherein both players earn winnings and a single MVP. #1 is impossible because that would completely screw Brownjesus over, and wrongly reward Kielbasa a win that should have been a tie. #2 is impossible because Kiebasa only had time to play this morning- he will be MIA until Thursday, wherein the forced day change would take place. Also, it was 1AM his time, and he had to sleep. We did the math (rather haphazardly but we got through it) and determined that Kiebasa should have earned 12spp and Brownjesus should have earned 9 (not including MVPs). What we TRIED to do was to reset the game, score it 3:3, and have both players earn 9 random SPP from touchdowns, plus an MVP. Then they would delete the characters that died (other casualties were BH so it didnt matter). Despite making it 3:3, both players only got 3spp+MVP. Both players earned 8 when they should have earned 17/14. To make matters worse, I made the mistake of telling Kielbasa to delete his was-dead Saurus, meaning he lost out on 9SPP and still got penalized for a death, essentially getting fucked. There is no reversing this- I don't have the options to do so. Realizing that was a mistake, I didn't want to penalize Kielbasa without penalizing Brownjesus, as they both technically killed each others players fair and square despite missing out on SPP. Being as that they may meet eachother eventually in the playoffs, its my opinion that it wouldn't be fair for Brownjesus to keep a wight (he got a zombie with necromancer for killing saurus, a ruling I made despite the bug that makes necromancer not work, so the dead zombie canceled out.) Brownjesus wasn't all too pleased with this- in hindsight, it would have been better to rule it as a 1-1 with no deaths, given the limitation in rewarding people SPP through invented touchdown scores. However, the Saurus was already deleted, and I've requested that Brownjesus delete the Wight just to be fair to Kielbasa. I left this choice up to him, hoping he will do it in respect to Kielbasa, but cannot force it on him given that these rules weren't made in advance. Can't punish someone if the rules didn't exist, and I regret that Kielbasa may have to unfairly pay for my mistake. FOR ANY FUTURE RULINGS, I would prefer a regame, if at all possible. This is a friendly league- please consider regaming to save all of this trouble even if you were winning. Its not fair to keep the result and screw your opponent out of MVP and Winnings, while they keep their injuries and whatnot. I know, I know- it's not fair to you either if you were in the lead, but please consider it. If you want a ruling to be made on your game because you can't re-game (time constraints, too angry because you were winning, etc), please upload the replay to BBManager and contact me. Do so knowing that you will either get what you wish, or I will force a 2:1 result or something (which will give you less spp and ignore injuries/deaths/etc, but still a win). These will have to be judged on a case-by-case basis, there is no way I can let a disconnect screw over someone if they have 5 deaths and get no winnings from it (for example). Mistakes were made. It should have been so much easier, but I fucked up in telling them to delete players. For that I'm sorry, but I still stick by what I did to Brownjesus as damage control for my mistake. In the future, all games will be either awarded as-is on disconnect, regames, or invented results with no injuries/deaths/etc and lower spp. Its the best I can physically do. It is an unfortunate evil but we will have to deal with it. Edit: With this, it is also requested that you post on this forum or tell an admin on IRC when your games are finished, to confirm that there are no disputes/disconnects/etc, so that we don't validate matches that need to be reset/reviewed. This is VERY important. After a match is validated, it is impossible to reset or change. To Catyoul and Lorgoth, do not validate a match unless you've been informed one way or another that it was finished legitimately. | ||
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jaycee
Australia62 Posts
Good to see rules in place for future, and hopefully they don't need to be called upon! On a different note, if anyone is willing, please create a team and join: Test League pass = test So that I can test out some of the limitations of awarding results. You won't be required to play any games. Particularly interested in: does a 1-0, 2-0, 2-1 result award 1-2 MVP and 1-2 TD to the winning team, and 0-1 MVP and in the case of 2-1 0-1 TD to the losing team. Thanks in advance for the help! | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
The typical ruling before LE came out was to keep disconnects as is. Of course in the case of a turn 16 disconnect on a tie, this really screws one of the players. The alternative if a replay isn't possible, is to try to admin the score in. Considering Cyanide's bug record, we should definitely test this kind of stuff to look at the effects. I will comment further when we have tested this properly. | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
- any adminned win counts as a 2-0, with both MVP going to the winner, the loser gets strictly nothing. - any adminned draw counts as 1-1, with both getting one MVP and one TD. | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
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Tuln
United States24 Posts
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
Those of you playing tonight, I might be MIA until ~8pm EST, have a medical test to do. If none of the admins are around to validate, rest well knowing that they will be validated by morning. The forced match day switch tomorrow afternoon may also be slightly delayed, as I have some paperwork that I've been putting off that I'll be doing then. It might be 3PM EST instead of noon, maybe even an hour or two later pending on the circumstances. However, it will be home and started by 5PM at the latest, I can promise that. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Good luck with everything and I really hope those last games get played. | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
I will be home on time tomorrow, so 15.5 hours from now will be a forced day change (Noon EST). Waiting to hear from Stormtrout vs Kanil and Infernokoi vs Twotone. Hope you guys are reading this and/or my PMs because you dont have much time left. If I dont hear anything from anybody, they will be ruled a draw. Even if you deserve a WO, you need to talk to me and provide me with details before I can rule anything except a draw. | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
3 WO's given on Match day 1. Some of it was out of peoples' control, in which case I harbor no grudges. Let's get Match day 2 underway, and hopefully we'll get to finish all the games!DAY 2 LIVE! DAY 2 LIVE! DAY 2 LIVE! This match must take place between now and 24:00 Saturday night (EST, GMT-5). Please make contact with your opponent to arrange a reasonable time. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. | ||
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jaycee
Australia62 Posts
Group 1 P W L D F F A Points, Win, Draw, Loss, Forfeits, Goals For, Goal Against Might at Killers later... | ||
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Jaug
Sweden249 Posts
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