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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 27 2017 17:40 GMT
#13061
Goblin Guide, probably snap caster...
I hope I actually get to draft this set
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
February 27 2017 21:09 GMT
#13062
Yea these are some sweet reprints. I'm not even mad that I already own a set of Tarns, Guides, Mesa, Snaps, etc. I think this is just good for the game and I don't think the prices will tank that much.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
February 27 2017 22:31 GMT
#13063
On February 28 2017 06:09 Whole wrote:
Yea these are some sweet reprints. I'm not even mad that I already own a set of Tarns, Guides, Mesa, Snaps, etc. I think this is just good for the game and I don't think the prices will tank that much.


There will be a fake price drop, and then people go into eternal formats, then they fall in love with the deck, then they want to have it either all foiled up or all original cards, one thing leads to another and suddenly prices spike again.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 27 2017 22:34 GMT
#13064
No in this case many of the prices will drop like a rock and not recover (which is a good thing, really).
ZEN fetches will certainly not stay upwards of $50,for example, especially given the prices of the KTK/ONS fetches as a point of comparison.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 27 2017 22:37 GMT
#13065
On February 28 2017 07:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
No in this case many of the prices will drop like a rock and not recover (which is a good thing, really).
ZEN fetches will certainly not stay upwards of $50,for example, especially given the prices of the KTK/ONS fetches as a point of comparison.

You definitely cannot compare something reprinted in a large set against something reprinted in limited print run insane pack prices modern masters (cough goyf cough). Ok goyf was mythic but that really doesn't change that much.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-27 22:54:55
February 27 2017 22:53 GMT
#13066
On February 28 2017 07:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2017 07:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
No in this case many of the prices will drop like a rock and not recover (which is a good thing, really).
ZEN fetches will certainly not stay upwards of $50,for example, especially given the prices of the KTK/ONS fetches as a point of comparison.

You definitely cannot compare something reprinted in a large set against something reprinted in limited print run insane pack prices modern masters (cough goyf cough). Ok goyf was mythic but that really doesn't change that much.

Supposedly this isn't even going to be limited print run according to rumors. Something in between limited and regular print is likely. There have been distributors who have come out and said that wotc has told them any time they need to reorder product will be available.

Also its not like Ema or mm2 were particularly hard to find or 'limited' beyond the first couple weeks.

Also goyf being mythic actually does change things a fair amount. If the fetches were being reprinted at mythic for some reason then I'd say prices wouldn't drop a ton.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-28 00:35:59
February 28 2017 00:34 GMT
#13067
On February 28 2017 07:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2017 07:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
No in this case many of the prices will drop like a rock and not recover (which is a good thing, really).
ZEN fetches will certainly not stay upwards of $50,for example, especially given the prices of the KTK/ONS fetches as a point of comparison.

You definitely cannot compare something reprinted in a large set against something reprinted in limited print run insane pack prices modern masters (cough goyf cough). Ok goyf was mythic but that really doesn't change that much.

Even with Goyf being mythic, there's like a $20 gap in the value of FS Goyfs compared to MM Goyfs. In the case of Goyf this isn't that significant because they're expensive either way, but even if ZEN fetches hold value, MM fetches being $10-15 cheaper would be pretty relevant.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
February 28 2017 01:43 GMT
#13068
On February 28 2017 09:34 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2017 07:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
On February 28 2017 07:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
No in this case many of the prices will drop like a rock and not recover (which is a good thing, really).
ZEN fetches will certainly not stay upwards of $50,for example, especially given the prices of the KTK/ONS fetches as a point of comparison.

You definitely cannot compare something reprinted in a large set against something reprinted in limited print run insane pack prices modern masters (cough goyf cough). Ok goyf was mythic but that really doesn't change that much.

Even with Goyf being mythic, there's like a $20 gap in the value of FS Goyfs compared to MM Goyfs. In the case of Goyf this isn't that significant because they're expensive either way, but even if ZEN fetches hold value, MM fetches being $10-15 cheaper would be pretty relevant.


No disagreement that the new cards will be cheaper than the old. I think the main disagreement is that this will make it "cheaper" to be an eternal player--which is not very accurate. Most often people who play eternal very much transition into developing the perfect versions of their decks--this usually leads to foils, foreign printings, etc... more often than not, these sets don't help in that market except for Force of Will.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
February 28 2017 08:27 GMT
#13069
Personally I have a hard time to get excited for stuff happening in limited print-run sets. I don't know if I happened to live in a bad place for Magic when I was the most active in it, but from my experience if you wanted something from a limited print-run set you had to get it during the first weeks
EZ4ENCE
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 16 2017 15:26 GMT
#13070
Big fan of jank standard decks. Here's two I came up with...what do you think?

GR Control

3 Nahiri's Wrath
4 Cinder Glade
3 Game Trail
4 Shock
2 Nissa, Vital Force
4 Seasons Past
2 Indomitable Creativity
3 Goblin Dark-Dwellers
4 Pulse of Murasa
1 Natural State
2 Attune with Aether
2 Harnessed Lightning
1 Fork in the Road
2 Oath of Chandra
3 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Arlinn Kord
4 Evolving Wilds
9 Mountain
6 Forest

2 Release the Gremlins
1 Nissa's Renewal
2 Cone of Flame
2 Natural State
2 Dynavolt Tower
1 Clip Wings
2 Incendiary Flow
2 Chandra, Flamecaller
1 Structural Distortion


Naya Superfriends

4 Oath of Nissa
2 Nissa, Vital Force
2 Incendiary Flow
3 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
4 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
3 Shock
4 Oath of Chandra
3 Radiant Flames
3 Deploy the Gatewatch
1 Natural State
3 Ajani Unyielding
2 Fumigate
2 Needle Spires
3 Cinder Glade
3 Canopy Vista
3 Fortified Village
3 Game Trail
4 Inspiring Vantage
3 Plains
3 Mountain
2 Forest

2 Natural State
1 Incendiary Flow
1 Descend upon the Sinful
1 Radiant Flames
1 Clip Wings
2 Combustible Gearhulk
2 Quarantine Field
1 Authority of the Consuls
2 Declaration in Stone
1 Linvala, the Preserver
1 Fragmentize
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
March 16 2017 23:27 GMT
#13071
I've did a lot of tinkering and playing with various Mardu superfriends lists recently. In general, Deploy the Gatewatch is bad. You want to land and secure a walker or two then hold up instant speed interaction for the combo and for vehicles. So for your list, I would add more instant speed interaction. I would trim wraths and sorcery removal (not Oath of Chandra)
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-17 01:26:02
March 17 2017 01:25 GMT
#13072
On March 17 2017 08:27 Whole wrote:
I've did a lot of tinkering and playing with various Mardu superfriends lists recently. In general, Deploy the Gatewatch is bad. You want to land and secure a walker or two then hold up instant speed interaction for the combo and for vehicles. So for your list, I would add more instant speed interaction. I would trim wraths and sorcery removal (not Oath of Chandra)


Those are good calls. Although I mainly just play in MTGO random mode, not standard league or anything. So the opposition in my experience is not necessarily the tier 1 decks most of the time. That's why I bring the wraths but yes changes could probably be made.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4563 Posts
March 19 2017 10:14 GMT
#13073
Did a MM17 draft over this weekend with my friends. It was fun as all of us went 3/4 colours good stuff deck lol. Overall, it was a removal war for MM17 imo since most of us had more removals than bombs. I'm guessing this is it for me as the prices for now doesn't seem worth to keep drafting,

We got lucky with the box EV due to the mythics. Rares were underwhelming, only 2 fetches with the rest forgettable.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 25 2017 14:12 GMT
#13074
Ban announcements shakes up eternal formats. This is going to make GP Vegas interesting.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
April 25 2017 16:51 GMT
#13075
On April 25 2017 23:12 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Ban announcements shakes up eternal formats. This is going to make GP Vegas interesting.


Interesting? I'm all for banning some part of miracles but top kills the deck and now we approaching play BUG or combo.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 26 2017 06:04 GMT
#13076
On April 26 2017 01:51 zeratul_jf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2017 23:12 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Ban announcements shakes up eternal formats. This is going to make GP Vegas interesting.


Interesting? I'm all for banning some part of miracles but top kills the deck and now we approaching play BUG or combo.


As someone who ran a deck with a good BUG matchup and a bad miracles matchup I am excited.

As someone who cares about the longevity of Legacy I am concerned...
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 27 2017 01:02 GMT
#13077
Oh wizards.
Plz.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 27 2017 13:57 GMT
#13078
Is copycat ban the first emergency ban in standard since Memory Jar?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
April 27 2017 14:33 GMT
#13079
Wasn't the regular ban announcement just a couple of days ago? I know remember why the only constructed format I played was Commander.
EZ4ENCE
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 28 2017 13:56 GMT
#13080
On April 27 2017 23:33 WindWolf wrote:
Wasn't the regular ban announcement just a couple of days ago? I know remember why the only constructed format I played was Commander.


Ban announced monday, and put in place Monday because Amonkhet released on MODO monday.

Copycat gets 40% of the 5-0's in leagues over 48 hours (such sample size, I know) and they do an emergency ban on cat instead of saheeli because... reasons?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
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