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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 23:08:55
August 10 2015 21:30 GMT
#12181
Won the PPTQ in Fenton, Michigan this past weekend. 141 players and was the last one I could make it to this season. I had a lucky run with Team geist.

Grixis Twin 2-0
4C Kiki Chord 2-0
RG Tron 1-2
Abzan 2-1
Naya Burn 2-0
Naya Burn 2-1
Affinity 2-0
Naya Burn (ID)

Top 8

Team Geist 2-1(Mirror)
Naya Burn 2-1
Merolk 2-1

Round 2 was vs Jeff Hoogland. Not a fan of him after playing him. Not only calling my deck bad but calling my perception of the deck poor. Laughed it off and continued playing. I assume he was just tilted from losing to a no body.

Here was my decklist
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4 Celestial Colonnade
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Flooded Strand
3 Island
1 Plains
1 Mountain
2 Hallowed Fountain
2 Steam Vents
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Sulfur Falls
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Fortress

4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Vendilion Clique
3 Geist of Saint Traft
3 Restoration Angel

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
2 Spell Snare
3 Lightning Helix
2 Mana Leak
2 Remand
2 Anticipate
2 Electrolyze
2 Cryptic Command

Sideboard

2 Anger of The Gods
1 Supreme Verdict
2 Dispel
1 Counterflux
1 Keranos, God of Storms
2 Kor Firewalker
2 Wear//Tear
1 Celestial Purge
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Glen Elendra Archmage


I would play this deck again with subtle changes to the sideboard. Anticipate is actually the bees knees.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-10 22:15:42
August 10 2015 22:15 GMT
#12182
jeff hoogland is the worst. grats on your win!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
August 10 2015 22:23 GMT
#12183
Grats on the win! Hoogland has been very vocal about how UWR is bad so don't feel bad about brushing his salt off.

I'm actually quite interested in the Elspeths in the sideboard since not many UWR builds have them in the 75. How did you feel they performed?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
August 10 2015 23:08 GMT
#12184
Knight-Errant and Glen Elendra were both flex spot cards that I was still testing. I Have actually yet to cast Knight Errant in a game and honestly the 1 of Sun's Champion is probably good enough that I don't need Knight Errant.

Sun's Champion was successfully cast twice on Saturday and won both games it was played in. It's for the more grindy match ups like Jund/Junk, Collected Company decks, and Chord Decks. She's your ultimate trump in those match ups because most of them don't have a good answer for the card and slowly grinds the game out of reach with the stream of 1/1s.

Honestly I would probably switch Glen Elendra and Knight Errant for Sowing Salts or a negate and some other card like Staticaster. Glen Elendra was good but only medium good and there were plenty of times I had her in hand and wished she was a negate.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
hotcream
Profile Joined August 2015
27 Posts
August 15 2015 01:25 GMT
#12185
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-19 14:53:10
August 19 2015 14:52 GMT
#12186
BFZ Spoilers:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/spoilers/164-battle-for-zendikar

Mechanics:
Landfall is back.
Awaken - alt cost for spells that puts +1/+1 counters on a land and makes it a 0/0 elemental.
Devoid - This card has no color (even though it costs colored mana to cast), used for Eldrazi
Ingest - Whenever X deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles the top card of their library. (In theory, the card will have additional effects with exiled cards, but the spoiled one doesn't).
Allies - Oh...yay.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 19 2015 16:24 GMT
#12187
Well, the ally spoiled didn't have an "Allyfall" mechanic (when this or another ally etb...) which I think is a first for allies? So they are somewhat different this time around thankfully.

I wonder if ghostfire will be errata'd to have devoid.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 19 2015 17:17 GMT
#12188
It wouldn't be errata, just up-to-date Oracle text. Cards that existed with a keyword mechanic before it existed retroactively assume the keyword once it's printed--see what happened when "can't be blocked except by artifact and/or black creatures" became keyworded to Fear.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-19 17:37:29
August 19 2015 17:22 GMT
#12189
lifelink is an interesting counterexample, since when it got keyworded it also bypassed triggers so some older cards didn't suddenly gain lifelink.

the text on ghostfire ("is colourless") doesn't match the text on devoid ("has no colour") although I can't at this point think of any conceivable way that they are different.

I mean ur probably right
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-20 15:13:22
August 19 2015 17:26 GMT
#12190
On August 20 2015 02:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
lifelink is an interesting counterexample, since when it got keyworded it also bypassed triggers so some older cards didn't suddenly gain lifelink.

That's because Lifelink as keyworded was not functionally equivalent to pre-keyword Lifelink.

Amusingly, Loxodon Warhammer *was* errata-ed to use Lifelink because they accidentally printed a version with Lifelink on it because someone forgot that Lifelink wasn't functionally equivalent to the old one.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 19 2015 17:51 GMT
#12191
Devoid seems to only be used for cards that have colored mana costs and so would otherwise have color.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
August 20 2015 14:43 GMT
#12192
The difference between a card being naturally colorless and a card having devoid is that Humility gives devoid creatures color.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-20 14:52:55
August 20 2015 14:52 GMT
#12193
On August 20 2015 23:43 Thieving Magpie wrote:
The difference between a card being naturally colorless and a card having devoid is that Humility gives devoid creatures color.

Not really relevant to the discussion, since the distinction is between the wording of Ghostfire and that of Devoid. The wording difference wouldn't matter with regards to Humility because in either case a creature printed with Devoid or with "<this> is colorless", it's still an ability, and is still lost with Humility.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
August 20 2015 14:56 GMT
#12194
On August 20 2015 23:52 TheYango wrote:
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On August 20 2015 23:43 Thieving Magpie wrote:
The difference between a card being naturally colorless and a card having devoid is that Humility gives devoid creatures color.

Not really relevant to the discussion, since the distinction is between the wording of Ghostfire and that of Devoid. The wording difference wouldn't matter with regards to Humility because in either case a creature printed with Devoid or with "<this> is colorless", it's still an ability, and is still lost with Humility.


The question then is: Which wording works outside of the stack/battlefield? Is ghostfire colorless in the library, is devoid colorless in the library? etc...
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-20 14:59:30
August 20 2015 14:58 GMT
#12195
On August 20 2015 23:56 Thieving Magpie wrote:
The question then is: Which wording works outside of the stack/battlefield? Is ghostfire colorless in the library, is devoid colorless in the library? etc...

Both have been explicitly stated to function in all zones.

More generally, characteristic-defining abilities are by nature active in all zones.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
August 20 2015 15:07 GMT
#12196
On August 20 2015 23:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 23:56 Thieving Magpie wrote:
The question then is: Which wording works outside of the stack/battlefield? Is ghostfire colorless in the library, is devoid colorless in the library? etc...

Both have been explicitly stated to function in all zones.

More generally, characteristic-defining abilities are by nature active in all zones.


Then by definition, ghostfire has devoid.

If it works the same, has the same definition (but one has a name) then it is assumed both have a name.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
August 20 2015 17:15 GMT
#12197
Will all eldrazi printed so far get devoid retroactively?
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 20 2015 17:16 GMT
#12198
On August 21 2015 02:15 SagaZ wrote:
Will all eldrazi printed so far get devoid retroactively?

No as they lack coloured mana cost so naturally are colourless (it's implicit to the card) whereas devoid is an explicit removal of existing card colour via an effect.
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SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
August 20 2015 17:17 GMT
#12199
ah roger, tkx
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 20 2015 17:19 GMT
#12200
The interesting interactions are probably things like painter's servant although I'm assuming it overrides devoid anyway. I'm no judge.
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