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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
March 02 2013 22:29 GMT
#6521
Jund agro twice in a row. Sad times. Think I'm just going to play a different deck. Won a draft side event, though.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 02 2013 23:24 GMT
#6522
Certainly not a fun match up Risen. I am inclined to just build my deck purely for the Jund match up at this point and then consider other options when DGM comes out.
Get it by your hands...
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
March 02 2013 23:35 GMT
#6523
On March 03 2013 08:24 Judicator wrote:
Certainly not a fun match up Risen. I am inclined to just build my deck purely for the Jund match up at this point and then consider other options when DGM comes out.


Are you speaking of Experiment Aggro Jund, or the midrange jund deck?
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 02 2013 23:41 GMT
#6524
Either, they don't play the same, but the post-board games can be similar depending on the lists.
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
March 02 2013 23:50 GMT
#6525
So I went a little overboard a spent a bit more than I should have and completed an Aristocrats and a Naya Humans to go along with my BR Zombies and RDW, now I'm thinking of cutting down to just 1 deck but I can't decide which to keep.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 03 2013 01:01 GMT
#6526
On March 03 2013 08:50 NotSorry wrote:
So I went a little overboard a spent a bit more than I should have and completed an Aristocrats and a Naya Humans to go along with my BR Zombies and RDW, now I'm thinking of cutting down to just 1 deck but I can't decide which to keep.


Crackhead....

Jokes aside, did Bant make a come back or something? I ran into more Bant players just now in testing than I have for like the last 5 months.

Also, BlueBird, what I meant was to play really narrow hate cards. As long as Jund plays Lilys I have to find an efficient response to that card.
Get it by your hands...
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 01:49:48
March 03 2013 01:49 GMT
#6527
I have only seen 1-2 bants in the last two weeks, seems everyone jumped ship to jund and esper over here.

I brought back my Dreadbores for Lily
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
March 03 2013 03:21 GMT
#6528
I know this was a discussion like 2 days ago about things not working properly, and then the MOCS was today, and Pillar of Flame was not exiling undying cards like strangleroot geist and Geralf Messenger.

I lost a game in a daily event trying to pillar a strangleroot geist, I had to trade with it a turn later with huntmaster, ended 3-1.

There were 3 Zombie decks in the top 4 of the MOCS supposedly.

http://community.wizards.com/magiconline/blog/2013/03/01/mtgo_card_bug_issue
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
March 03 2013 03:28 GMT
#6529
put in a ticket for sure, they are generally really good on giving refunds for shit like that
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 03 2013 03:44 GMT
#6530
I like the "please use alternatives"...hilarious.
Get it by your hands...
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 03:56:16
March 03 2013 03:51 GMT
#6531
On March 03 2013 12:28 NotSorry wrote:
put in a ticket for sure, they are generally really good on giving refunds for shit like that


I still finished 3-1, I put in a ticket but I heard from a friend they don't refund if you prized anymore.

I feel bad for the players that played the MOCS unaware though, can't imagine, what kind of tickets were filed today.

I used to get refunded for stuff like that even though I prized though, so don't know if that's 100% accurate.

I'm watching SCG rd 9, go Vegas player Torrez!
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
March 03 2013 04:05 GMT
#6532
Haha what an amazingly greedy play by the Jund player, glad he got punished for it
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
March 03 2013 04:09 GMT
#6533
yea that play was very questionable and not necessary
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 03 2013 04:09 GMT
#6534
Yeah, not sure if he thought through the RG aggro player's lines well enough.

Congrats to your friend BlueBird.

Also, friend took my deck again to the Classic in Louisville, shames there's no live coverage. Only update I got was that he was 6-0-1, which I assume will be good enough for the cut.
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Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
March 03 2013 04:38 GMT
#6535
Playing a different Esper control now, the card-for-card list featured in an SCG article:

+ Show Spoiler +
Creatures (9)

4 Augur of Bolas
3 Restoration Angel
2 Snapcaster Mage

Lands (27)

2 Island
1 Plains
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Glacial Fortress
2 Godless Shrine
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Isolated Chapel
4 Nephalia Drownyard
2 Watery Grave

Spells (24)

4 Azorius Charm
2 Devour Flesh
2 Dissipate
1 Dramatic Rescue
4 Sphinx's Revelation
4 Think Twice
1 Ultimate Price
2 Planar Cleansing
4 Supreme Verdict

Sideboard

2 Witchbane Orb
2 Gloom Surgeon
2 Rest in Peace
1 Dispel
2 Negate
1 Psychic Spiral
1 Sundering Growth
2 Obzedat, Ghost Council
2 Jace, Memory Adept


The article also gave me some nice tips. Was a bit of a breakthrough to hear this:

"There's nothing wrong with casting Supreme Verdict on a single creature. There is no shame in three for one-ing yourself to get rid of your opponent's Liliana of the Veil. It really doesn't matter how little "value" you get out of your cards as long as they are stopping your opponent from killing you and building towards the end game.

The neat thing about Sphinx's Revelation is that it undoes every advantage your opponent has gained. You three for one'd yourself to kill Liliana? Congratulations, you survived long enough to cast a Sphinx's Revelation for four, and now your opponent is behind."

The nickel-and-dime card advantage style is un-necessary against decks that don't run Sphinx. That card is just so powerful that I can trade evenly or even poorly all day, and then undo it all in a single turn. It's definitely changed the way I look at the deck now.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 03 2013 04:43 GMT
#6536
I don't agree with that list and nor does PV. Cleansing is good in the Jund match up but not that good in the mainboard (it gains value post board once more of their PWs, Staffs comes in, aka more permanents that you have to handle). The issue is the other match ups and not so much the Jund match up. Terminus is a better card in the format, Cleansing is the better card in the match up.

Dunno, I am looking at Wafo-Tapa's builds and trying out his brand.
Get it by your hands...
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 04:48:19
March 03 2013 04:47 GMT
#6537
The problem with that plan is sometimes sphinxs for 4 draws 4 lands or even 3 lands and a weak spell and you end up further behind.
-the three for one-ing yourself that is
I can already see the ending
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
March 03 2013 05:07 GMT
#6538
Friend took 2nd, the Lily is that big of a threat that sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
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Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
March 03 2013 05:44 GMT
#6539
On March 03 2013 13:43 Judicator wrote:
I don't agree with that list and nor does PV. Cleansing is good in the Jund match up but not that good in the mainboard (it gains value post board once more of their PWs, Staffs comes in, aka more permanents that you have to handle). The issue is the other match ups and not so much the Jund match up. Terminus is a better card in the format, Cleansing is the better card in the match up.

Dunno, I am looking at Wafo-Tapa's builds and trying out his brand.


Mind sending me the list you're using? I'd be happy to check it out. I have noticed Planar Cleansing is pretty underwhelming so far, but I do enjoy the creature base.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-03 05:51:29
March 03 2013 05:50 GMT
#6540
I'll send the one my friend took to the SCG Classic in Louisville, he dropped by FMN to borrow it and we talked for like 15 minutes in between rounds about the Jund match up and what to do about it.

+ Show Spoiler +

// Lands
4 [ISD] Isolated Chapel
4 [M13] Drowned Catacomb
4 [M13] Glacial Fortress
4 [RTR] Hallowed Fountain
1 [RTR] Island (1)
1 [AVR] Swamp (3)
1 [M13] Plains (4)
3 [GTC] Watery Grave
3 [ISD] Nephalia Drownyard
1 [GTC] Godless Shrine

// Creatures
3 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
1 [M13] Augur of Bolas
1 [AVR] Restoration Angel
1 [GTC] Obzedat, Ghost Council

// Spells
4 [RTR] Sphinx's Revelation
1 [DKA] Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
4 [RTR] Supreme Verdict
3 [ISD] Dissipate
2 [M13] Jace, Memory Adept
1 [GTC] Dimir Charm
2 [DKA] Tragic Slip
1 [RTR] Ultimate Price
2 [ISD] Forbidden Alchemy
1 [AVR] Terminus
2 [RTR] Azorius Charm
2 [ISD] Think Twice
1 [M13] Planar Cleansing
2 [GTC] Psychic Strike

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [AVR] Restoration Angel
SB: 1 [AVR] Terminus
SB: 1 [RTR] Detention Sphere
SB: 2 [GTC] Devour Flesh
SB: 1 [RTR] Dispel
SB: 2 [M13] Negate
SB: 1 [ISD] Ghost Quarter
SB: 2 [RTR] Rest in Peace
SB: 1 [RTR] Psychic Spiral
SB: 1 [ISD] Witchbane Orb
SB: 2 [M13] Duress


That was what he took to Louisville, dunno what exactly what he did to it, although if I had to guess, the Dimir Charm/Sorin/some combination of removal came out for the Angel and others.

Edit:

Took home 600 bucks, he's buying my next draft.
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