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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Citing their poor results in the Proleague, SKT T1 has asked its main players to focus on only one individual league.
This unprecedented move comes on the heels of SKT's latest loss, dropping them 2-5 and 10th place (out of 11).
SKT's strongest players were asked to choose between either the MSL or OSL. As a result,
Midas (Seeded 3rd for next OSL) and GoRush (Seeded 5th for next OSL) will not attend the MSL preliminaries on 11/14.
Canata is currently qualified for the next MSL, plus he is seeded for the upcoming Ongamenet Dual Tournament. It is yet unclear what his choice will be, but it looks like he will give up his Dual Tournament spot.
Kingdom is scheduled to face Iris in the MBCgame Survivor League this Thursday. He will not participate in the OSL prelims.
iloveoov, IntoTheRainbow, and Rumble are not currently involved in any leagues. They were given the choice to pick, and all three have chosen to attend the OSL prelims and forfeit their MSL prelim spots.
This policy does not extend to SKT's lesser players. Only the gamers mentioned above have been affected.
SKT's team manager has notified both Ongamenet and MBCgame with their decision.
Naturally, this subject is a point of debate for the fans, with many sides of the issue. In general, SKT is coming under fire for this radical team policy.
Meanwhile, Boxer has forfeited both the OSL and MSL to try to qualify for the ROK military - I know, I know, I'm a regular comedian. You're a great crowd.
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Fucking switch teams. This is almost asking too much.
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yea thats a little too much
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they do play alot of leagues... i think it could be good.. they get overflowed with lots of games all the time.. sometimes i think too much, but then again, thats what they get paid to do.. so..*shrugs*
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Well focusing on one league might help since it halves the pressure.
Oh and what about SKT1 lesser players? Like In_Dove... He does not participate in these Korean leagues so how does he make a living?
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Wow. This is insane. It's amazing how much Starcraft has evolved to such high levels of competition as to require this much of their players.
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This is going a bit overboard isn't it? I don't think it is a good way of solving their problem. I wonder how the players themselves feel about this, and I'm also interested to see the fan reactions over there
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Honesty this move is bullshit.
There, I said it.
The SKT players not in individual leagues (like ILoveOOv) aren't doing well either. It's not a matter of the individual leagues being played, and it is foolish to think so.
There's obviously something more fundamental that is wrong within their team, this will not solve that.
EDIT: Really just looking at the other teams too you know how wrong this is. Look at CJ for example.
Finally, remember that players get appearance fees and the like for attending tournaments, even if they don't do well. They are basically asking their team members to give up tons of potential money with no compensation.
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On November 13 2006 18:34 DTDominion wrote:
Honesty this move is bullshit.
There, I said it.
The SKT players not in individual leagues (like ILoveOOv) aren't doing well either. It's not a matter of the individual leagues being played, and it is foolish to think so.
There's obviously something more fundamental that is wrong within their team, this will not solve that.
You mean the fact that they are "missing" BoXeR ?
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What...?
You know, if you get more shots at winning, you'll win more often, even if your win percentage goes slightly down. Take the SKT1 current plan and just imagine if all the players retained their spots, but Midas only practiced for OSL, GoRush only practiced for OSL, etc--they have the exact mindset as if they were only playing in one league except they keep their crack at the other league, just for kicks (and extremely possible wins). It's not like they don't have a chance in MSL prelims even if they get minimal practice. And if you want to win more, there's a better way to distribute your focus and practice time anyway. -_-;;
If you're in only one league, then you feel a lot of pressure to win that league's games. Especially because some manager is expecting you to win it because of his retarded decision.
The only benefits are not having to learn as many maps (but honestly, many maps are in common in Proleague/OSL/MSL, and it's not like the guys don't already know most of the maps, and it's not like they don't have enough hours in a day to practice all of the new ones; and getting the players pissed off. On the off chance that their performance isn't just a fluke and an indication that -yes, if your players have a 55% chance of winning (around, lower maybe from new talent), then you'll get losing seasons sometimes-, then maybe this is some motivation.
edit: Assuming that SKT1 wants to win as much as possible...less opportunities to play means less opportunities to win, which is really really bad. Practicing only for Proleague and one Starleague and but also showing up to the other Starleague prelims > playing only in Proleague and Starleague, because even with minimal practice, you have a reasonable and significant chance of winning. Balanced practicing for all three leagues (what people normally do) > practicing only for Proleague and one Starleague and but also showing up to the other Starleague prelims because of the law of diminishing returns on time spent practicing (e.g. 7, 7, 0 less good than 5, 5, 4).
That's besides the issues of the players' feelings and reduced advertising time from having their players (who display the SKT name/logo) play less often.
I think it's mostly that bad change/decisions is considered better than than lack of change when results aren't showing. But factors (most notably luck in such an even playing field) contributing to bad results are often out of your control.
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Best choice: combine both leagues :p
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Myrmidon makes a good point. Just because you're in a league doesn't mean you have to practice for it, even though a basic level of practice is still necessary to learn the maps and such.
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Yes, participating in more than one league would increase your chances of winning so now im kinda not sure if it was a good move or a bad one :S
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if all a team's good players are practicing for both msl and osl, then there is no one but lesser players to practice for the proleague. proleague is an important TEAM league, so i can imagine that the team's coaches or managers would want to put a little more focus in the proleague, especially after the poor performance in this one show a necessity for it
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United States20667 Posts
BoxeR's team is getting shot to hell by this move. Unnecessary.
Maybe oov can complete his move to KTF XD
But KTF doesn't need any more slumping giants T-T They've got quite enough themselves.
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On November 13 2006 18:37 vinsc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2006 18:34 DTDominion wrote:
Honesty this move is bullshit.
There, I said it.
The SKT players not in individual leagues (like ILoveOOv) aren't doing well either. It's not a matter of the individual leagues being played, and it is foolish to think so.
There's obviously something more fundamental that is wrong within their team, this will not solve that. You mean the fact that they are "missing" BoXeR ?
I think this is a really good point actually. Has anyone else read the recent Sense of Star about Boxer ? It's amazing how much that man has accomplished and I wouldnt' be too surprised to see that the was the lynchpin for the team. Kingdom has HUGE shows to fill.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
understandable.
SOMETHING had to change. No fucking way a team with that talent and money should EVER go 2-5 and drop to second to last. Almost as bad as what KTF did.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
I think SKT T1 is only doing this because they need to explain this huge slump somehow. So they're just blaming the players' busy schedule.
Maybe the real reason is that Boxer's out (I know he was a huge support for Iloveoov), maybe the players' schedules are actually too jam packed, nobody knows. But they have to do something, and this is what they chose to do.
2-5 and 2nd last in the league? That really is unacceptable for T1.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
fairly resonable move, rarely players own up msl and osl at the same time...so it shouldnt hurt too bad...
but it could be limiting to the good players as they may get stuck in a group of death in the tornament they chose and then lose both opportunities to win.. thats my only concern with it...
because i mean, if u make it to group stage of M/OSL or RO8 it theoretically shouldnt impair tooo much on PL (as the maps are the same, and u really cant be 100% sure of what opponent ur going to face on each map). and its unlikely that ull get past BOTH RO8's and so ull only have to focus on one league either way... sometimes they cant even pass survivor/dual because of a bad day or sumthing.. again a limiting factor'
i have mixed feelings about this move...
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Thanks for the news, HonestTea!
I'd like to know how the players feel about this rule.
If they are unhappy about it, then it is guaranteed to fail. But if they are eager to participate, then it has a good chance of success.
I can see the merits behind the idea. People who overwork themselves end up losing motivation and, in turn, performing poorly: it's a common phenomenon. I hope the players will receive free time in exchange for giving up their league spots, though, otherwise this move may have little to no benefit.
As DTDominion mentioned, we don't know whether overworked players is the problem. But I think we should wait to hear what the players themselves have to say before coming to any conclusions.
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