Name: Alex Sunderhaft Alt ID: N33bl3t Nationality: American Team: Ting Birthday: February 17 1998 (Age 19) Status: Literal God
Achievements
2016 KeSPA Cup CHAMPION
2016 WCS Winter, Spring and Summer Challenger Champion 2017 WCS Spring and Summer Challenger Champion 2016 WCS Summer Championship Semi-finalist 6 time WCS Premier Participant One of only two players to make WCS Premier with two races
WCS Montreal 2017 Champion WCS Jönköping 2017 Champion WCS Austin 2017 Champion DH Austin 2016 Runner Up
IEM Shanghai Runner Up
Only foreign player to ever win an Olimoleague (#41, #69, #97)
Gotta say - I already loved Neeb as Terran, he and Masa seemed to be the only Terrans that are worthy of real tournaments in NA, but when he switched to Protoss he literally became a sc2 bonjwa. He's on Kespa level, you can tell from watching his games and history.
So much respect for him, turns on his stream, no sub button (even though he's partnered), no donation button, no cam, mic, music or follower popups, just a dude playing some incredible starcarft . He said he may go full time after high school, so I hope he does well in the near future.
I"ll sign up. I don't watch as nearly as much Neeb as I should, but he is one of those guys I'm looking to in helping improve my own play! Lets see where he goes!
On February 22 2016 09:11 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: GET IN HERE
There was what seemed to be a sub-tournament of fan club members (Scarlett, Noregret, Jonsnow, Bails, Koma) in the lower bracket to see who would face Neeb. Scarlett won so does that make her the best/worst Neeb fan?
Too bad the tourney started so late cause of admins. If he was on west coast it wouldn't have mattered, but he has school tomorrow, and it got really late on the east coast. That most definitely affected his play.
Neeb v. Kelazhur first round of IEM, and then likely Hydra in the 2nd round (who he has a winning record against, as long as they don't play Ulrena). Probably one of the best draws he could have gotten. Hyped for him to do well!
On February 23 2016 06:46 nerpderp wrote: Neeb v. Kelazhur first round of IEM, and then likely Hydra in the 2nd round (who he has a winning record against, as long as they don't play Ulrena). Probably one of the best draws he could have gotten. Hyped for him to do well!
How in any way is that a good draw for him. Kelazhur has been playing very well of late and Hydra is one of the favorites to win the whole thing... at least they are Bo5.
On February 23 2016 06:46 nerpderp wrote: Neeb v. Kelazhur first round of IEM, and then likely Hydra in the 2nd round (who he has a winning record against, as long as they don't play Ulrena). Probably one of the best draws he could have gotten. Hyped for him to do well!
How in any way is that a good draw for him. Kelazhur has been playing very well of late and Hydra is one of the favorites to win the whole thing... at least they are Bo5.
He has a winning record against both, in competition and on ladder. He probably does better versus Kelazhur and Hydra than he does versus many European players.
Watched an entertaining stream where Mini Gun was jokingly following a build order that Neeb was explaining to him in the twitch chat. A few days later I saw Neeb streaming and watched for a bit. Didn't take long to realize that this guy is on another level. Huge fan of his and wish him well in future tournaments. GO NEEB!
Omg that was close! He's clearly very tired and nervous. It's almost asking too much for these players to fly halfway across the world and then immediately play a Bo5 for $6,000.
Relatedly, I'm not sure why they didn't do a 2k, 4k split between RO32 and RO16. But congrats to Neeb! Hopefully he feels a little bit more up to par against Hydra tomorrow.
On March 03 2016 07:56 nerpderp wrote: It's almost asking too much for these players to fly halfway across the world and then immediately play a Bo5 for $6,000.
$6,000 dollars for one bo5 is asking too much? That is giving too much if anything. Clutched it out, ggs Neeb.
GG Neeb, strong comeback. In regards to the $6,000 Bo5, you need to draw the line somewhere; arbitrary as it may be. Some people gonna win, some people gonna lose.
Sick plays by neeb over the weekend, he has really shown himself to be the best player in NA, at least online Here's to an American champ at the first American Dreamhack!!!!
Awsome that Neeb got picked up by Ting, seems like a fantastic deal for both sides, but Ting probably got the better end as they nows sponser the best foreign protoss player in the world <3
Neeb is in the simifinals of Dreamhack Austin!! lets get some hype in here! Sick run so far, 3-1 HuK, 3-0 Ptitdrogo and a super close 3-2 over Puck. Next up: Snute, lets go neeb, time to win it all!
Man that series vs Lilbow was the most one sided 3-2 I have ever seen, It felt like neeb won all 5 games but somehow managed to throw two of them :/ Still a great series, Neeb seems to be on a totally different level in PvP compared to other foreign toss.
I really hope he can contain his nerves and take down Hydra next! Bit of a hard bracket but if he beats Hydra I think he can take the whole thing.
SIgn me up! I'm rooting for the dirty Protoss because Neeb is a god! I hope he beats Hydra. It's been close every series, but Hydra has won all the offline matchups
According to NoRegreT, Neeb is going to be training in Korea starting the end of July! Seems he will be at the MVP house at first with perhaps other plans in the works.
As I crawl out of my hole that is Brood War, and take a small glimpse now that some of the BW Champions have returned, the dust that is left in it's wake atop of the CURRENT ELO RANKINGS, a lone American stands in a sea of Koreans. Congrats to Neeb, who's picture is best depicted by a crane truck in the TLPD.
Neeb really needs a team shirt. Watching him at Dreamhack Valencia it's him going up to the stage in a blank blue shirt and black jeans. Feels really out of place.
Hey bro, saw your tweet. I just wanna say that over this last month, you've definitely gained a few fans. Win or lose brother, we're here to support (and hype) the hell out of you. You have incredible potential, that's why the scene has fallen all around you, that's a strong compliment and it's only looking upward from here on out. Keep at it Neeb, everything will fall into place very soon for you, I can see it
What a series vs Showtime. Guys, if anyone is interested in a great pvp series with a lot to learn from, watch it. That game 3, your decision to go double stargate was a stroke of genius!
Neeb top5 toss when on form, Nerchio top 2 Zerg when on form. I'm okay with that. Neeb's run today has been hilarious and awesome. Hydra tilting hard versus him then cruising past Showtime
Sign me up (If i'm not already signed up). Talked to him in person today at IEM and took a picture with him, he is such a friendly person and so easy to talk to. Hope you has a fun night in Shanghai Neeb, enjoy the skyline of Shanghai!!!!!!!
neeb too good. it's too bad he doesn't have a premier win after all these good finishes! no worries though, that championship will inevitably come if he keeps improving ^^
On August 28 2016 05:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: King Neeb is the shoutcraft King of the Hill :D
Indeed ^_^ (Also, Sign me up) While it's not applicable to this month, or last, I do think the "King of the month" should be the person with the longest streak in the 20 games. Reigning king of the hill would obviously be the person who won the 20th game though :s
OMG Did he FINALLY fix his PvT??!!!!! Who can stop him?! (ok i know he lost to Violet and Bly T_T) He beat Patience, Nerchio, PtitDrogo in ShoutCraft. He beat Gumiho, Ryung and Reality in Olimoleague, and Gumiho and Ryung are GSL Ro8's (and one is going to be Ro4) Neeb is such a god
also Neeb is 6-1 Gumiho in 3 events, in Olimoleague #68 and #69 he defeated Gumiho 2-0 and 2-1 respectively, and in SGL he beat Gumiho 2-0, like i know this is online but still.... Gumiho wrecked Classic in GSL (4-2), and gave MyungSiK a better fight in GSL lol (3-2), and he was prepared for MyungSiK..... Neeb is so good
We say it all the time with foreigners, but he has so much skill and potential and I think because of the new system he can really realize that potential. Remember Katowice? That was one of his first main stage appearances. Sure he did some WCS, but that was in a studio and nothing like this. He looked nervous and scared and lost to Hydra in a close series. He then proceeded to wreck Hydra in nearly every encounter since then and has just looked stronger and stronger over time.
That extra stage experience has allowed him to look strong throughout the event, even though he has a mental block in finals right now. He used to tilt in the Ro16, now it's the semis at the earliest and dominating right to it. Given time and his raw skill, I believe he will overcome that barrier too and finally claim that title and with how good he is, he could become one of the best Protosses period.
He took out 2 Code S Ro8 Terrans with low lag and in an event these players try to win. It's not the same as GSL because there is less preparation, but he won with straight up solid play which means he can win in a GSL series if he prepares.
Neeb is a gifted and intelligent player, and one of the best out there mechanically, but he's not a natural competitor. I think he would do really well if he had a coach who could teach him how to play a high-pressure BO7 finals settings, working with him on specific builds and teaching him how to control his mental focus.
i wanna see byun join onfire clan like ffs you guys. neeb is the most incredibly mesmerizing protoss we've seen come out of NA since what HuK? imo no offense to huk but neeb is just more dominant. but really that's not a testament to neeb being better so much as an exploit of huk's playstyle. byun is literally just a god of terran. he is the leader in the metagame of terran micro and has an incredibly sharp kill switch. then you got scarlett who is a straight fucking genius whipping up these articulate micro battles while pressuring all over the map. and of course she's a master of defense.
if all these players would be able to stomp their nerves, they could move fucking mountains in SC2
Huk has better results overall, having won MLG, Dreamhack and HSC. But that was at a time when there weren't as many Koreans (or any) playing in foreign tournaments, and the skill level was nowhere near as high, so overall I'd rank Neeb as the better player, even compared to HuK in his prime.
On September 02 2016 04:04 nerpderp wrote: Huk has better results overall, having won MLG, Dreamhack and HSC. But that was at a time when there weren't as many Koreans (or any) playing in foreign tournaments, and the skill level was nowhere near as high, so overall I'd rank Neeb as the better player, even compared to HuK in his prime.
Huk won an MLG against koreans like MC, MKP, TheSTC and was a regular Code S player. Neeb has potential but HuK had way better results against much stronger competition.
On September 02 2016 04:04 nerpderp wrote: Huk has better results overall, having won MLG, Dreamhack and HSC. But that was at a time when there weren't as many Koreans (or any) playing in foreign tournaments, and the skill level was nowhere near as high, so overall I'd rank Neeb as the better player, even compared to HuK in his prime.
Huk won an MLG against koreans like MC, MKP, TheSTC and was a regular Code S player. Neeb has potential but HuK had way better results against much stronger competition.
KeSPA players weren't in SC2 at that time...... the competition was definitely much harder now
On September 02 2016 04:04 nerpderp wrote: Huk has better results overall, having won MLG, Dreamhack and HSC. But that was at a time when there weren't as many Koreans (or any) playing in foreign tournaments, and the skill level was nowhere near as high, so overall I'd rank Neeb as the better player, even compared to HuK in his prime.
Huk won an MLG against koreans like MC, MKP, TheSTC and was a regular Code S player. Neeb has potential but HuK had way better results against much stronger competition.
KeSPA players weren't in SC2 at that time...... the competition was definitely much harder now
Neeb isn't competing against KeSPA players either...
On September 02 2016 04:04 nerpderp wrote: Huk has better results overall, having won MLG, Dreamhack and HSC. But that was at a time when there weren't as many Koreans (or any) playing in foreign tournaments, and the skill level was nowhere near as high, so overall I'd rank Neeb as the better player, even compared to HuK in his prime.
Huk won an MLG against koreans like MC, MKP, TheSTC and was a regular Code S player. Neeb has potential but HuK had way better results against much stronger competition.
KeSPA players weren't in SC2 at that time...... the competition was definitely much harder now
Neeb isn't competing against KeSPA players either...
And also we're talking relative strength. Neeb, as good as he is, is not as good as HuK was in his prime. Kind of like how MVP was able to remain dominant even though the overall level was worse than it is now.
Also, what would you define as a KeSPA player? That is a person on a KeSPA team, right? Cause if so, then he's already beaten players from MVP, afreeca...
On September 02 2016 04:04 nerpderp wrote: Huk has better results overall, having won MLG, Dreamhack and HSC. But that was at a time when there weren't as many Koreans (or any) playing in foreign tournaments, and the skill level was nowhere near as high, so overall I'd rank Neeb as the better player, even compared to HuK in his prime.
Huk won an MLG against koreans like MC, MKP, TheSTC and was a regular Code S player. Neeb has potential but HuK had way better results against much stronger competition.
KeSPA players weren't in SC2 at that time...... the competition was definitely much harder now
Neeb isn't competing against KeSPA players either...
he beat Billowy, Keen, Patience, Gumiho, Ryung, Reality??!!!!! those are all KeSPA players, 2 (Ryung and Gumiho) of whom are in the GSL quarterfinals, and 1 (Patience) is in the semi-finals of SSL
That's amazing. It's a shame he peaked so late in the season (no qualification for GSL/SSL) but there's still Blizzcon to go. Scarlett doesn't appear on that list (or even rank 100 to 200), does she still live in Korea?
On September 06 2016 15:57 rednusa wrote: That's amazing. It's a shame he peaked so late in the season (no qualification for GSL/SSL) but there's still Blizzcon to go. Scarlett doesn't appear on that list (or even rank 100 to 200), does she still live in Korea?
She's back in Canada for a while. I think she goes back to KR after WCS Copa
Feels like Neeb could be the first foreigner who could compete with the top Koreans since maybe Naniwa. If this were still 2011 with 9 GSLs (or however many they had) pretty sure he'd be qualifying for GSL October right now! It's a shame has to wait another 6 months
On September 06 2016 18:09 rednusa wrote: Feels like Neeb could be the first foreigner who could compete with the top Koreans since maybe Naniwa. If this were still 2011 with 9 GSLs (or however many they had) pretty sure he'd be qualifying for GSL October right now! It's a shame has to wait another 6 months
Well, i see it as a perfect time to mature. Remember Neeb is still very young, 6 months is a healthy period of time to improve, in every way.
On September 16 2016 15:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Neeb makes Kespa Cup. Should be interesting to watch him in a real Korean tournament.
Right now, I'm more interested in how he'll do vs Byun at Shoutcraft. I think he'll get beat pretty hard considering Byun is currently a god in the matchup, but maybe he has something up his sleeve from practicing with Byun a bunch.
Neeb narrowly lost 3-4 to Scarlett in the Stream.Me Arena, he looked very good in the macro games but struggled with the cheese. Hopefully he can sort that out and do well in the kespa cup!
On September 17 2016 09:56 nerpderp wrote: Once again Neeb shows that he's incapable of defending against cheese, or anything that doesn't resemble a normal macro game.
Except yesterday when he held off Scarlett's proxy hatch to go to Kespa Cup. He seemed pretty capable then.
On September 17 2016 09:56 nerpderp wrote: Once again Neeb shows that he's incapable of defending against cheese, or anything that doesn't resemble a normal macro game.
Except yesterday when he held off Scarlett's proxy hatch to go to Kespa Cup. He seemed pretty capable then.
That was, what, one game out of 10 that he got cheesed on? I'd like to be optimistic, but everyone in the scene knows by now that if you want to beat him in a high profile series, they should just cheese the hell out of him.
On September 17 2016 10:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On September 17 2016 09:56 nerpderp wrote: Once again Neeb shows that he's incapable of defending against cheese, or anything that doesn't resemble a normal macro game.
Except yesterday when he held off Scarlett's proxy hatch to go to Kespa Cup. He seemed pretty capable then.
That was, what, one game out of 10 that he got cheesed on? I'd like to be optimistic, but everyone in the scene knows by now that if you want to beat him in a high profile series, they should just cheese the hell out of him.
not to mention he got rekt by that strat already by Snute in Copa Intercontinental so i mean
On September 27 2016 03:22 Soke wrote: Neeb will be leaving Korea after Kespa Cup
When was that said? I hope its not for good.
Assuming that's true, and it's for good, I don't think it's that big of a deal. He said himself that he doesn't think KR ladder is that much better for his practice, and it's a pain having to constantly travel to and from Korea for tournaments. He can also save money on rent and food by living at home, and have better ping to play in NA qualifiers for events. On a personal level, I can also imagine that he wants to be closer to his family when the holiday season arrives.
On September 27 2016 04:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On September 27 2016 03:22 Soke wrote: Neeb will be leaving Korea after Kespa Cup
When was that said? I hope its not for good.
Assuming that's true, and it's for good, I don't think it's that big of a deal. He said himself that he doesn't think KR ladder is that much better for his practice, and it's a pain having to constantly travel to and from Korea for tournaments. He can also save money on rent and food by living at home, and have better ping to play in NA qualifiers for events. On a personal level, I can also imagine that he wants to be closer to his family when the holiday season arrives.
I just want to see him try in GSL and SSL, but those aren't till next year really so going home for a while obviously makes sense.
On September 27 2016 04:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On September 27 2016 03:22 Soke wrote: Neeb will be leaving Korea after Kespa Cup
When was that said? I hope its not for good.
Assuming that's true, and it's for good, I don't think it's that big of a deal. He said himself that he doesn't think KR ladder is that much better for his practice, and it's a pain having to constantly travel to and from Korea for tournaments. He can also save money on rent and food by living at home, and have better ping to play in NA qualifiers for events. On a personal level, I can also imagine that he wants to be closer to his family when the holiday season arrives.
I just want to see him try in GSL and SSL, but those aren't till next year really so going home for a while obviously makes sense.
Oh yeah that's true, but qualifier dates haven't even been announced yet, and I can't imagine we'd know when they happen until after Blizzcon.
Also, I'm not sure how long he's allowed to stay in Korea at one time on a tourist visa. Maybe that has something to do with it?
On September 27 2016 12:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Ya I don't know how long his visa lasts.. I'm pretty sure that was one of the reason scarlett went home for a while was to take care of visa stuff.
Also Neeb qualified for the WESG NA portion. He's going to Sao Paulo of all places for it
Does he need a Visa? US Citizens are allowed to spend 90 days in South Korea without a Visa (and Canadians 180 days).
Kespa's put up the little interviews with the players and they've had the photo shoots, can't find any photos yet but this'll do... Totally not a Neeb fanboy or anything... <_<
Can't believe he just 4-0'd the group of death. There were so many "RIP Neeb" comments when the groups were announced, but somewhere in the back of my mind I knew they were wrong and that he'd find a way to make it out of the group as long as he didn't have to play ByuN. But even I didn't expect a 4-0! Talk about making a splash and doing the foreign scene proud!
On September 27 2016 12:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Also Neeb qualified for the WESG NA portion. He's going to Sao Paulo of all places for it
That's got to be the weirdest tournament ever. I'll be shocked if it actually happens, but if it does, Blizzcon is 2 weeks after that, so it would make sense that he lives in NA to minimize the travel time and fatigue to attend those events.
Holy shit, I don't follow SC2 too much because I'm BW elitist :D But damn, that last game vs. Stats! He was ahead in all terms but Neeb chased down and crushed him! No wonder why Nerchio said he wants to face anyone, any korean but not Neeb = A LITERAL GOD!
Alright, after carefull consideration(especially regarding his eliminating Scarlett in way too many tournaments) I have come to a decision: I do not fucking care if he wins the Kespa Cup finals or not.....Sign me up!!! This kid is amazing!
NEEB! I was so worried in game 4 when you were really behind, but you DID IT! YOU CLUTCHED IT OUT and beat Trap in one of the most intense PvPs I've ever seen! God I love this matchup in LotV!
That was literally insane. Like, I'm a protoss players myself. I cannot believe how could he keep himself focused and composed for sooooo much time. Coming back from defecit again and again. He really was the best player in the cup. Phenomenal play.
1st foreigner to win on korean tournament on SC2 with a fucking flawless victory! Neeb to take Blizzcon! He's fucking unstoppable beast! I can't even describe his PvP - Fuck Zest, fuck Stats, fuck MC... - GODLY FlaSh level!
Watching NoRegret's vlog made me think about how stressful it must be to be playing at a tournament like that. Just the rush of emotions that he must have felt along the way might have made him very nervous but he showed no signs of it at all on the stage. All that talk about choking in finals, choking on the live stage - I hope Alex now has the confidence in himself to post great results in future as well.
Some people are sore over the fact that he is being hailed as the new best foreigner, or perhaps even the best foreigner we've seen in some time, but maybe it's better to not look at that and just think about what he has done here - he played a pretty tough tournament featuring some of the biggest names in Korean sc2 and beat everyone in his path. Putting aside all the "best player" or "best race" stuff, this is just an incredible feat.
Who cares if the games were all PvP and PvZ? There was a bracket and the people who won their matches progressed to the next stage - Alex kept his nerve and beat some top tier koreans and he won. He's the champion, and he deserves all the credit he gets for doing that.
Group stage, first match against Rogue, he handles the pressure well and crushes him easily. Winner's match against Zest, Alex retains his advantage well and keeps his cool against one of the most famous korean players. Against Pet, you think that he is surely on tilt after games 3 and 4, but he maintains his composure and wins the last game that looked potentially disastrous for him initially. Then we get to the series against Stats, who is known for having pretty damn good PvP. Even after going down 1-0, he plays to his strengths and wins.
In the finals, he races to a 3-0 lead and you start to think... hmm, he is very likely to drop a game here. But no, it doesn't happen and he pulls through in that insane 30+ minute game. He showed some exceptional ability there.
Watching NoRegret's vlog made me think about how stressful it must be to be playing at a tournament like that. Just the rush of emotions that he must have felt along the way might have made him very nervous but he showed no signs of it at all on the stage. All that talk about choking in finals, choking on the live stage - I hope Alex now has the confidence in himself to post great results in future as well.
Some people are sore over the fact that he is being hailed as the new best foreigner, or perhaps even the best foreigner we've seen in some time, but maybe it's better to not look at that and just think about what he has done here - he played a pretty tough tournament featuring some of the biggest names in Korean sc2 and beat everyone in his path. Putting aside all the "best player" or "best race" stuff, this is just an incredible feat.
Who cares if the games were all PvP and PvZ? There was a bracket and the people who won their matches progressed to the next stage - Alex kept his nerve and beat some top tier koreans and he won. He's the champion, and he deserves all the credit he gets for doing that.
Sign me up please. I watched this entire CUP, every match rooting for neeb. Me and my gf were shaking every match he played and i was screaming at pet when he was cheesing my champion Neeb. Love you Neeb man where ever you are and what ever you do~
What got to me the most, was how completely relaxed you were in the finals, always smiling, win after win after win. Like you had no doubt about the outcome. No fear, no nothing, just pure focus and victory, a 4-0, complete stomp. Fucking amazing. Scary awesome. If this was boxing, it would've been a brutal knockout in round 4.
I think it's funny that the last foreigner to win a Korean tournament was also an NA player. Congrats Neeb! You looked so composed throughout the entire tournament.
On October 04 2016 03:02 travis wrote: I think it's pretty clear that neeb is the most skilled foreigner we've had the pleasure of watching.
Stephano and NaNi were pretty skilled at their respective peaks too, but there is no denying Neeb just accomplished something neither of them could ever pull off.
On October 04 2016 03:02 travis wrote: I think it's pretty clear that neeb is the most skilled foreigner we've had the pleasure of watching.
Stephano and NaNi were pretty skilled at their respective peaks too, but there is no denying Neeb just accomplished something neither of them could ever pull off.
HE DID IT !!!! Incredible play from start to finish, I think neeb is the absolute best pvp player in the world right now, and probably top 1 overall foreigner.
On October 04 2016 03:02 travis wrote: I think it's pretty clear that neeb is the most skilled foreigner we've had the pleasure of watching.
Stephano and NaNi were pretty skilled at their respective peaks too, but there is no denying Neeb just accomplished something neither of them could ever pull off.
I feel like Stephano had a much bigger influence on the meta and also had a bigger personality and bigger drama too.
But that doesn't take away from Neeb's accomplishment last night. It's absolutely historic, and his performance deserves all the praise it can get.
On July 17 2016 07:45 FataLe wrote: Hey bro, saw your tweet. I just wanna say that over this last month, you've definitely gained a few fans. Win or lose brother, we're here to support (and hype) the hell out of you. You have incredible potential, that's why the scene has fallen all around you, that's a strong compliment and it's only looking upward from here on out. Keep at it Neeb, everything will fall into place very soon for you, I can see it
I dunno if there will be scheduling conflicts, but people crowd-funded the team house start-up costs with the expectation that Scarlett, NoRegret, and Neeb would all be trying for GSL/SSL. I'd like to at least know why he won't be able to do so.
On October 05 2016 00:50 nerpderp wrote: I dunno if there will be scheduling conflicts, but people crowd-funded the team house start-up costs with the expectation that Scarlett, NoRegret, and Neeb would all be trying for GSL/SSL. I'd like to at least know why he won't be able to do so.
Ya... and now Neeb and Scarlett are both back in NA and NoRegret is semi-retired. That idea sort of fell apart quickly didn't it?
On October 05 2016 00:50 nerpderp wrote: I dunno if there will be scheduling conflicts, but people crowd-funded the team house start-up costs with the expectation that Scarlett, NoRegret, and Neeb would all be trying for GSL/SSL. I'd like to at least know why he won't be able to do so.
Ya... and now Neeb and Scarlett are both back in NA and NoRegret is semi-retired. That idea sort of fell apart quickly didn't it?
Yeah, and I understand that circumstances and schedules can change, particularly in esports. But they owe at least an explanation for why they won't be competing in GSL/SSL to the people who helped fund the team house.
On October 05 2016 00:50 nerpderp wrote: I dunno if there will be scheduling conflicts, but people crowd-funded the team house start-up costs with the expectation that Scarlett, NoRegret, and Neeb would all be trying for GSL/SSL. I'd like to at least know why he won't be able to do so.
Ya... and now Neeb and Scarlett are both back in NA and NoRegret is semi-retired. That idea sort of fell apart quickly didn't it?
Yeah, and I understand that circumstances and schedules can change, particularly in esports. But they owe at least an explanation for why they won't be competing in GSL/SSL to the people who helped fund the team house.
On October 05 2016 00:50 nerpderp wrote: I dunno if there will be scheduling conflicts, but people crowd-funded the team house start-up costs with the expectation that Scarlett, NoRegret, and Neeb would all be trying for GSL/SSL. I'd like to at least know why he won't be able to do so.
Ya... and now Neeb and Scarlett are both back in NA and NoRegret is semi-retired. That idea sort of fell apart quickly didn't it?
Yeah, and I understand that circumstances and schedules can change, particularly in esports. But they owe at least an explanation for why they won't be competing in GSL/SSL to the people who helped fund the team house.
Neeb man, what a boss. He's been in 3 finals this year, won one of them (KeSPA Cup), and the other two he lost. He lost 2-4 to Hydra and uThermal in both those finals, then proceeded to roflstomp them in every single encounter since, going 15-4 (3-1, 3-1, 3-2, 3-0, 3-0) in maps against Hydra after Dreamhack Austin and 8-1 (3-1, 3-0, 2-0) in maps against uThermal after IEM Shanghai And the one final he won, he won in a 4-0 fashion against Trap. Lesson of the day: Dont beat Neeb in a finals, he will make you his bitch afterwards.
On October 05 2016 00:50 nerpderp wrote: I dunno if there will be scheduling conflicts, but people crowd-funded the team house start-up costs with the expectation that Scarlett, NoRegret, and Neeb would all be trying for GSL/SSL. I'd like to at least know why he won't be able to do so.
Ya... and now Neeb and Scarlett are both back in NA and NoRegret is semi-retired. That idea sort of fell apart quickly didn't it?
Yeah, and I understand that circumstances and schedules can change, particularly in esports. But they owe at least an explanation for why they won't be competing in GSL/SSL to the people who helped fund the team house.
How much money did they raise?
$2,500
They've been there for like 3-5 months or something like that. $2500 is a good start point, but not enough to properly fund a house like that for as long as they've been there. It's not like they took the money and ran. It's spent, they gave content, and they competed well because of Korean practice.
They've been there for like 3-5 months or something like that. $2500 is a good start point, but not enough to properly fund a house like that for as long as they've been there. It's not like they took the money and ran. It's spent, they gave content, and they competed well because of Korean practice.
and they are almost certain to come back to KR again
Not sure how I feel about him changing his name, but I suppose it's his name to choose, and it doesn't change anything about him as a person or a player.
I'm really happy at what Neeb accomplished, and it's definitely nothing to be disappointed at. I do wish, though, that the way in which he went out had been a bit different. Dark played well, but it just seemed like Neeblet didn't play quite to his best ability.
Still, Ro8 Blizzcon (against some of the best Koreans) is still quite good. Besides, he's young, and he's bound to win a lot more in the future.
We'll be seeing top-quality neeblet for a long time yet I hope he is not too bummed out about losing, just gotta work towards the next tournament, and the next, and the next...
Sorry for being totally late with this, but I just wanted to share some pictures I took at the Corsair Cup finals of Neeb. I also got the chance to meet and talk to him, and can honestly say that he's the most awesome and nicest person ever. Good luck with everything, Alex, and hope we can hang out again!
Some pre-match preparation.
My favorite picture -- he plays with his shoes off!
Sorry for being totally late with this, but I just wanted to share some pictures I took at the Corsair Cup finals of Neeb. I also got the chance to meet and talk to him, and can honestly say that he's the most awesome and nicest person ever. Good luck with everything, Alex, and hope we can hang out again!
Some pre-match preparation.
My favorite picture -- he plays with his shoes off!
The crowd was obviously very pro-Neeb.
I talked to him last year in IEM Shanghai and he was really nice, he is a very nice guy!
crazy crazy I'm witnessing history man. congratulations on your historic win Neeb. triple mother blubbin crown huh.
To be honest i had you losing to Serral with the momentum he's gathered recently. Glad you proved me wrong bud. Keeps me in check. as said above, if you ever live up to your own standards.. my literal god, you may just be the best player to have touched the game.
crazy crazy I'm witnessing history man. congratulations on your historic win Neeb. triple mother blubbin crown huh.
To be honest i had you losing to Serral with the momentum he's gathered recently. Glad you proved me wrong bud. Keeps me in check. as said above, if you ever live up to your own standards.. my literal god, you may just be the best player to have touched the game.
Neeb is making a bid to be the best Protoss in the world not just the best foreign Protoss.
Stats is #1 now without any doubt but he has slipped since finishing 2nd in IEM Katowice and then winning GSL. In fact he is only 48th on Korean grandmaster ladder which is a major slump.
Zest and SoS have been horrible this year and it would be safe to say that Neeb is equal to Hero, Trap, Patience and Classic.
Then of course there is Showtime who is a beast and always nipping at Neebs heals among the foreigners.
It's a lot different now then it was 2 years ago when Lilbow was the best foreign Protoss and really not in the same league with the elite Protoss players from Korea.
I think Neeb and perhaps Showtime if he makes it can make a run at Blizzcon in November. Both men were eliminated in the quarter finals against Zergs if you remember. Neeb lost to Dark 3-0 and Showtime lost to Elazer 3-1.
By beating a white hot Serral in dreamhack Neeb showed he can stand up to a really good if not elite Zerg player.
On July 04 2017 00:40 Rolltide wrote: Neeb is making a bid to be the best Protoss in the world not just the best foreign Protoss.
Stats is #1 now without any doubt but he has slipped since finishing 2nd in IEM Katowice and then winning GSL. In fact he is only 48th on Korean grandmaster ladder which is a major slump.
Zest and SoS have been horrible this year and it would be safe to say that Neeb is equal to Hero, Trap, Patience and Classic.
Then of course there is Showtime who is a beast and always nipping at Neebs heals among the foreigners.
It's a lot different now then it was 2 years ago when Lilbow was the best foreign Protoss and really not in the same league with the elite Protoss players from Korea.
I doubt that you overestimate Neeb. I still think he is the best foreigner player right now, and he can easily defeat a tier 2 Korean player (base on his online tournament online result). His 2 run at WCS Circuit is impressive, but saying he is equal to tier 1 Protoss in Korea is nonsense.
To me, tier 1 Korean Protoss right now is Stats/ Hero/ Classic. If you see the offline tournament result from IEM Katowice (the first , tournament of this WCS year), he lose 0-2 to Stats in IEM Katowice. He lose 1-3 to Hero in deciding match in IEM Shanghai qualifier. He even lose to Hurricane (which I consider a tier 2 Protoss player) two times and fail to qualify GSL season 3.
Undercover Report: Latest investigations by the Department of E-sports cybersecurity have determined there is a nonzero chance Neeb is not ancestrally related to Classic. Experts are now realizing that the source of his prowess may be linked to Korean DNA. According to Classic, "I always knew since Neeb's Protoss switch that we were of the same race." More research may be needed. Remembering that Neeb once played as Terran, investigators thought that comparison to earth Terrans might give credibility to the study. However, at the time of writing, attempts to obtain DNA from Innovation have proved difficult.
At this point it seems pretty fair to say that Neeb is the greatest foreigner of all time. This is dominance unlike anything we've seen before. Game after game even if things appeared close or even in favor of his opponent, by the end it looked like Neeb simply crushed whoever he was playing. (Let's just hope that by Blizzcon he's able to beat Korean terrans)
On September 11 2017 10:07 invisigoat wrote: At this point it seems pretty fair to say that Neeb is the greatest foreigner of all time. This is dominance unlike anything we've seen before. Game after game even if things appeared close or even in favor of his opponent, by the end it looked like Neeb simply crushed whoever he was playing. (Let's just hope that by Blizzcon he's able to beat Korean terrans)
It's hard to compare him to the likes of Stephano/Naniwa/Scarlett because of how seldom koreans and foreigners meet under the current system. A big part of these people's bid to the foreigner crown is the fact that they were able to fight and win against the best koreans, and it's hard to know how Neeb fares in that regard. His Kespa cup win was historic of course, but it was a single event, and last Blizzcon he still got eaten alive by Dark. However, if he makes a deep run at this year's globals, I think we can give him the title.
He talks to a handful of people at events and says hey to everyone who tunes in to his streams, answering questions there and all that. But as far as social media goes, no, he doesn't use it much.
Neeb's WCS Global Finals group has been determined: soO, Nerchio, and Rogue.
That means Neeb only has to prepare for one match up to get out of the group stage and it is his best at the moment, but it is also soO's and Rogue's best match up. Rogue is also probably much better than his 8th in the Korean standings would indicate. Neeb can get out of the group, but it will be an absolute war.
Seems Neeb is going off the grid a little bit. He deleted his twitter account and all his twitch vods. Maybe it's just for some hardcore Blizzcon prep?
Aha, and somewhere at the background starting song... (While Neeb punching zergs by hands) Rising up, back on the street Did my time, took my chances Went the distance, now I'm back on my feet Just a man and his will to survive
If I was a progamer it would be very hard for me to not read what others are saying about me in places like this. His discipline must be incredible to be able to ignore the media and social media.
Neeb strikes me as this total Starcraft nerd. He has no care if the Yankees won last night and he probably doesn't watch the news. No Regret said that when he was in Korea he practiced 14 hours a day. That means he is doing nothing else. He's not watching tv, not dating anyone. just eating, sleeping, going to the bathroom and playing Starcraft 2.
That whole series of Neeb portraits by Nicolas is so good. I do wonder how many ideas they have left, I imagined his final form would be a living Solar Core but there isn't much after that besides, idk, an entire galaxy?
Neeb must be practicing for Zerg around the clock for Blizzcon. Every other player in his group is a Zerg. Rogue-Nerchio-SoO. Nothing easy about that group.
Just watched you vs Rogue. Amazing patience and strategic decisions, you've grown so much as a player since i began as a fan it's scary. Good luck vs Soo, that confidence booster will be key
Good job Neeb! I know that going out 0-4 to soO and then Rogue must be disappointing, but you showed really good form in the first series against Rogue.
I think with more time and more training, you'll be even scarier next year!
With Rogue and soO are the two finalists, we must recognize how great Neeb is. He was in the group of those 2 monsters, and he is the only one take the sets from the world champions.
You have to play the hand you're dealt, but being rewarded for an insanely dominant season in the WCS Circuit with the hottest Korean was not particularly conducive for Neeb to show his stuff and earn some more money. Blizzard could easily prevent that by changing the system from a straight 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5 seeding into something where 1-4 were seeded as normal, but then got to go through and choose their opponent from the other set.
e.g. Neeb as the #1 Circuit player would have first choice of TY, GuMiho, herO, and Rogue. Maybe he chooses TY because he thinks his form was poor due to failing to qualify for GSL Super Tournament #2. Stats could have chosen SpeCial for the same reason or someone like TRUE if he preferred PvZ.
They wouldn't need to make a big deal out of the event like GSL does with the group selections though it could definitely serve to build hype for the WCS Global Finals. That being said, it probably isn't a problem frequent enough to change the system to accommodate it.
On November 05 2017 23:33 Boggyb wrote: You have to play the hand you're dealt, but being rewarded for an insanely dominant season in the WCS Circuit with the hottest Korean was not particularly conducive for Neeb to show his stuff and earn some more money. Blizzard could easily prevent that by changing the system from a straight 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5 seeding into something where 1-4 were seeded as normal, but then got to go through and choose their opponent from the other set.
e.g. Neeb as the #1 Circuit player would have first choice of TY, GuMiho, herO, and Rogue. Maybe he chooses TY because he thinks his form was poor due to failing to qualify for GSL Super Tournament #2. Stats could have chosen SpeCial for the same reason or someone like TRUE if he preferred PvZ.
They wouldn't need to make a big deal out of the event like GSL does with the group selections though it could definitely serve to build hype for the WCS Global Finals. That being said, it probably isn't a problem frequent enough to change the system to accommodate it.
the only problem was our man couldn't take out rogue! really no point in arguing over a standard tournament seeding process
Superb performance in the Cheeseadelphia by Neeb. Maybe not the toughest competition but there were still some good opponents and the level of dominance was impressive.
On January 23 2018 22:46 bulya wrote: Even though Elazer didn't do that good on EU, he has a shoot. His side of the bracket can do good for him. ZvZ and ZvP are match-ups where he can beat good KR players as well. On his side of the bracket he can meet TY in the qualifiers match, but its more likely to be Zest. And while I don't think Elazer has a shoot vs TY, he can beat Zest.
I doubt if Scarlett has more chance then Major, but given the current state of TvP then perhaps Scarlett has a bit more chance, as Special is most likely to meet Stats if he gets to the qualifying match. But if Scarlett does him a favor then it can be Scarlett or Maru, and then Maru has the better chance of the 3 of these, but the second one is probably Special, even though we don't know his current state at the moment (he didn't compete for a while, apart for the WCS qualification and GSL qualifiers that he didn't pass).
uh... wrong thread? you mentioned Neeb not once in your post and this is the Neeb fan club
I was checking if somebody know why doesn't neeb participate in today's qualifiers, even though he was invited! He registered to the EU ones as well, and didn't participate at the end
On January 23 2018 23:13 bulya wrote: I was checking if somebody know why doesn't neeb participate in today's qualifiers, even though he was invited! He registered to the EU ones as well, and didn't participate at the end
Jesse from Ting confirmed he didn't play due to already traveling to Leipzig, he will still be playing in the Katowice open bracket.
Not sure about that 2nd game in the last series vs Zanster, but the 3rd one had quite a few really amazing decisions by Neeb. gg! (WCS Leipzig / Leipzissch).
Those new maps are definitely taking a toll, and there's a bit of first day nerves maybe (+jetlag). Credit to Zanster too tbh, he played well. Hopefully Alex can figure the maps out soon. Match against heromarine won't be easy at all, hope Alex has a good performance later
Masterclass performance in that first game vs Elazer! you both played really well from a viewer's perspective. GL vs Showtime, he looks like he's back in form but you can do it
Neeb made mistakes, but that series felt like an example of everything that is wrong with PvZ. Lurkers have zero counter. Golden Armada loses to skyzerg. Expensive, high tech Protoss armies die to 1-a'd t1/t1.5 without perfect use of spellcasters. If Zerglings get in, instant loss.
I stopped watching SC2 for ~2 months because PvZ felt completely broken and it feels like literally nothing has changed.
In about 12 hours Neeb is playing in the hangzou sc carnival final against hero. He's already secured himself a ~10k prize by beating Rogue in the semis and he's going for a >$30k prize tonight.
I was very impressed with the level of play I saw from neeb in this tournament. For a while it seemed like he was a little "off", but in this tournament he looked as sharp as he has ever been.
On May 01 2018 23:28 travis wrote: I was very impressed with the level of play I saw from neeb in this tournament. For a while it seemed like he was a little "off", but in this tournament he looked as sharp as he has ever been.
Back in top form baby! Just in time for the WCS season, can't wait to watch Austin.
His results haven't been quiet as impressive as of late, though getting Mana'd in WCS maybe isn't too bad. If he can have a decent showing in Code S it would be awesome and more than make up for it.
On June 21 2018 01:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: His results haven't been quiet as impressive as of late, though getting Mana'd in WCS maybe isn't too bad. If he can have a decent showing in Code S it would be awesome and more than make up for it.
IMHO he's always at his best after a few months in Korea. His Kespa cup run and his WCS Montreal run ( a much more impressive showing than his other two wins last year) came after he was able to receive that higher level of practice.
I think he can make it, but I'm not sure. This is one of the easiest possible groups for him to advance, so he "should" make it. I think only Keen would make it easier.
On August 15 2018 14:57 FrkFrJss wrote: I think he can make it, but I'm not sure. This is one of the easiest possible groups for him to advance, so he "should" make it. I think only Keen would make it easier.
Don't forget Reynor beat Classic. That is extremely impressive even if Classic struggles with PvZ.
On August 15 2018 14:57 FrkFrJss wrote: I think he can make it, but I'm not sure. This is one of the easiest possible groups for him to advance, so he "should" make it. I think only Keen would make it easier.
Don't forget Reynor beat Classic. That is extremely impressive even if Classic struggles with PvZ.
And Neeb beat Rogue. I know Reynor is strong, but he's not quite at the lvl of top Zergs yet.
It was...an odd series, honestly speaking. I think I would have liked to see both Rogue and Neeb go up in straight super late game maps, but I am ecstatic that Neeb won. Congrats Neeb!!!
Funny how getting rolled by maru actually leaves Neeb in a better spot vs TY since he didn't get to show his builds. Too bad there's no more zergs for him to steamroll
On September 01 2018 05:38 Shathe wrote: Nice one Neeb. After getting raped by Dark more times, i didnt think he can do it.
Neebs beat every top Korean zerg in at least a bo3 except dark. But darks cheesed him every time. I think rogue tried to do the same but failed miserably. And I’m not quite sure what you mean as dark is eliminated.
Neeb has not played a lot of games against Korean Terrans, but he has played a number of games against foreign Terrans, and he seems to generally win against them. So at least we know that Neeb is decent against Terran on a general level. Neeb's gone 0-2 against Maru (but cheese), 2-0 against aLive and Forte, and 1-2 against Innovation at Hangzhou. Now, Inno doesn't have the greatest TvP, but he is still pretty good.
TY has been good but not amazing against Protoss in general. He's won a number of the last series, but one notable about his double win in his ro16 group is that he cheesed every single game. I think that tells me that he isn't 100% confident against Protoss late game. It's one thing to cheese against certain opponents, but he cheesed every game.
Like against Zerg, I think Neeb has a decent chance against TY if he can play a standard game and defend against cheese and harass. I think the odds are worse against TY than against Rogue, but hopefully Neeb just asks Special to cheese him every game, and Special is basically TY's protégé.
On September 01 2018 05:38 Shathe wrote: Nice one Neeb. After getting raped by Dark more times, i didnt think he can do it.
Neebs beat every top Korean zerg in at least a bo3 except dark. But darks cheesed him every time. I think rogue tried to do the same but failed miserably. And I’m not quite sure what you mean as dark is eliminated.
Dark doesn't cheese him all the time. he does a lot of harass with baneling run-bys and drops that Neeb can't seem to cope with
Neeb was in a lot of trouble in groups losing his first 3 games and being a match away from being eliminated, but he won 4 games in a row to make it through.
Pretty disappointing by Neeb, but it was fairly obvious that he was pretty jetlagged and overall tired for the event. I'm looking forward to him in the ST qualifiers as well as Blizzcon.
yes, reynor is one of the best up and comers, it's understandable to lose there if you aren't 100%.
vs TY its unfortunate that he lost the series, but I think he showed to everyone that on another day he could have made it to the finals AND that he deserved to be there if he had.
personally.. I think he was more impressive than TY in those games. A couple of those games were on maps that are complete bullshit, and TY abused that bullshit literally all game. It takes so much more multitask and organization to stop the nonstop drops on some of those maps than it does to execute them.
On September 10 2018 00:00 travis wrote: yes, reynor is one of the best up and comers, it's understandable to lose there if you aren't 100%.
vs TY its unfortunate that he lost the series, but I think he showed to everyone that on another day he could have made it to the finals AND that he deserved to be there if he had.
personally.. I think he was more impressive than TY in those games. A couple of those games were on maps that are complete bullshit, and TY abused that bullshit literally all game. It takes so much more multitask and organization to stop the nonstop drops on some of those maps than it does to execute them.
and Neeb almost beat Reynor even though he looked like he was playing at 50% power level.
On September 10 2018 00:00 travis wrote: yes, reynor is one of the best up and comers, it's understandable to lose there if you aren't 100%.
vs TY its unfortunate that he lost the series, but I think he showed to everyone that on another day he could have made it to the finals AND that he deserved to be there if he had.
personally.. I think he was more impressive than TY in those games. A couple of those games were on maps that are complete bullshit, and TY abused that bullshit literally all game. It takes so much more multitask and organization to stop the nonstop drops on some of those maps than it does to execute them.
and Neeb almost beat Reynor even though he looked like he was playing at 50% power level.
Like, not to totally discredit Reynor's win, but yeah, Neeb was not looking great at all from even what I saw in the ro32. And as you said, he came very close to beating Reynor.
I do agree, though, that his matchup against TY was very, very impressive, and I think it looks good for him against higher-tier Terran not named Maru. In Blizzcon, if he gets matched up against a Terran, I don't think it would be an auto loss like it has in the past.
On September 10 2018 00:00 travis wrote: yes, reynor is one of the best up and comers, it's understandable to lose there if you aren't 100%.
vs TY its unfortunate that he lost the series, but I think he showed to everyone that on another day he could have made it to the finals AND that he deserved to be there if he had.
personally.. I think he was more impressive than TY in those games. A couple of those games were on maps that are complete bullshit, and TY abused that bullshit literally all game. It takes so much more multitask and organization to stop the nonstop drops on some of those maps than it does to execute them.
and Neeb almost beat Reynor even though he looked like he was playing at 50% power level.
Like, not to totally discredit Reynor's win, but yeah, Neeb was not looking great at all from even what I saw in the ro32. And as you said, he came very close to beating Reynor.
I do agree, though, that his matchup against TY was very, very impressive, and I think it looks good for him against higher-tier Terran not named Maru. In Blizzcon, if he gets matched up against a Terran, I don't think it would be an auto loss like it has in the past.
Well, he's in Maru's group for Blizzcon lol. Lambo is also in his group so that's one of the better matchups for him imo. Need to wait until after the st to find out who the 5th placed korean is, because they'll be in his group as well.
Currently, Classic would be the 5th place, which isn't the worse matchup in the world, as I don't think Classic is the best PvP (Stats, I think, would be the best), but it's still Neeb's weakest matchup. Rogue or TY wouldn't be easy matchups, but I think Neeb has a better chance agains them than Classic.
Of course, we are assuming Blizzard uses the same group format this year as in prior.
On September 10 2018 12:17 nerpderp wrote: do we know for sure that he's trying out for super tournament?
We don't. Perhaps Neeb might want to take a break before Blizzcon, but other than ST, I don't think there's any major tournaments for 6 weeks. I feel like he would want to go back to Korea for the training environment.
On September 10 2018 09:54 FrkFrJss wrote: I know...rip.
Currently, Classic would be the 5th place, which isn't the worse matchup in the world, as I don't think Classic is the best PvP (Stats, I think, would be the best), but it's still Neeb's weakest matchup. Rogue or TY wouldn't be easy matchups, but I think Neeb has a better chance agains them than Classic.
Of course, we are assuming Blizzard uses the same group format this year as in prior.
I mean if Rogue or Gumiho get higher points than Classic and ends up in Neeb's group then maybe, just maybe, Neeb can make it out of his group.
I do think he would struggle against Protoss. He's become better in PvP, but I would still say he's weakest against P than any other one. However, since he beat Maru (regardless of how bad Maru might have been playing), I think he could match up well against any Zerg or Terran.
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