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On August 04 2018 11:40 William paradise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 08:53 blunderfulguy wrote:
I think calling it a throw is overkill and, as has been said, ignores too much of everything going on in that game. The entrance to the third, the number of Zealots at her distant bases (and how ridiculously far away those bases were), the Phoenix count, and the generally great defense by Classic. But the "Player A was in control of most of the game or ahead in resources or map control then Player B won" definition of the term throw is not one I agree with, nor the definition along the lines of "PA was ahead and didn't do everything 100% correctly and PB won," nor do I agree that pressure should be put on every player to always have full information when they're ahead otherwise they're throwing the game.
My definition of throw, since we're still on the subject, is something along the lines of: PA is ahead and makes a poor decision or mistake or series of poor decisions and/or mistakes (based on the information they have at that time) which directly leads to PB winning the game.
Not making a correct decision or not making a great play is very, very different from making an incorrect decision or making a bad play, and letting the former overshadow all of the correct decisions and/or great plays is what I feel throwing around the term "throw" does most of the time with all the other connotations/definitions people have.
To me it wasn't disappointing or sad "cuz she threw," I don't believe she did, it was disappointing and sad because from our perspective she was so, so close to winning the series and I feel that she deserved to with how solid her victories were throughout that series and in her last few series (especially against Serral).
*Also Protoss, to be honest. For me, Force Fields will always make for disappointing, unsatisfying victories when used effectively and make for shallow losses when used poorly. I guess im just writing it wrong i generally do i wasn't trying to imply it was a bad series or anything just that teams or individuals to sometimes throw away a lead they have in any given sport or game or whatever. or maybe i just look at differently in any case both her and classic played well and I honestly believe when on her own turf it will be a hole different story.
I don't think that a lot of people (maybe not most, but some) mean to imply that the series (or even a game) was bad when they say it, but the term carries so much more negative baggage. To me it feels like one of those words that's so easy for everyone to throw around—and it gets thrown around so much—that people forget how heavy it really is, how much of an impact it has.
But anyway. Sigh. I can't wait for Montreal.
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On August 04 2018 12:02 blunderfulguy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 11:40 William paradise wrote:On August 04 2018 08:53 blunderfulguy wrote:
I think calling it a throw is overkill and, as has been said, ignores too much of everything going on in that game. The entrance to the third, the number of Zealots at her distant bases (and how ridiculously far away those bases were), the Phoenix count, and the generally great defense by Classic. But the "Player A was in control of most of the game or ahead in resources or map control then Player B won" definition of the term throw is not one I agree with, nor the definition along the lines of "PA was ahead and didn't do everything 100% correctly and PB won," nor do I agree that pressure should be put on every player to always have full information when they're ahead otherwise they're throwing the game.
My definition of throw, since we're still on the subject, is something along the lines of: PA is ahead and makes a poor decision or mistake or series of poor decisions and/or mistakes (based on the information they have at that time) which directly leads to PB winning the game.
Not making a correct decision or not making a great play is very, very different from making an incorrect decision or making a bad play, and letting the former overshadow all of the correct decisions and/or great plays is what I feel throwing around the term "throw" does most of the time with all the other connotations/definitions people have.
To me it wasn't disappointing or sad "cuz she threw," I don't believe she did, it was disappointing and sad because from our perspective she was so, so close to winning the series and I feel that she deserved to with how solid her victories were throughout that series and in her last few series (especially against Serral).
*Also Protoss, to be honest. For me, Force Fields will always make for disappointing, unsatisfying victories when used effectively and make for shallow losses when used poorly. I guess im just writing it wrong i generally do i wasn't trying to imply it was a bad series or anything just that teams or individuals to sometimes throw away a lead they have in any given sport or game or whatever. or maybe i just look at differently in any case both her and classic played well and I honestly believe when on her own turf it will be a hole different story. I don't think that a lot of people (maybe not most, but some) mean to imply that the series (or even a game) was bad when they say it, but the term carries so much more negative baggage. To me it feels like one of those words that's so easy for everyone to throw around—and it gets thrown around so much—that people forget how heavy it really is, how much of an impact it has. But anyway. Sigh. I can't wait for Montreal. i get what your saying and agree that it gets thrown about to much but how to you describe when a team player is so far ahead then they lose without putting said team down.
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On August 04 2018 08:53 blunderfulguy wrote:
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My definition of throw, since we're still on the subject, is something along the lines of: PA is ahead and makes a poor decision or mistake or series of poor decisions and/or mistakes (based on the information they have at that time) which directly leads to PB winning the game.
Not making a correct decision or not making a great play is very, very different from making an incorrect decision or making a bad play, and letting the former overshadow all of the correct decisions and/or great plays is what I feel throwing around the term "throw" does most of the time with all the other connotations/definitions people have..
And that's exactly what happened. She was ahead (like 40-10 in army supply) and made a poor decision (not sending 1 zerling to scout third, not scouting passed the ramp of the natural) based on the information she had at the time (she had decimated his army, no units defending or harassing her army while it was sitting there). Another poor decision was to spend 1k 1k on 11 mutas when knowing he had stargates (he harrased with oracles) and reveal them to kill 1 warp prism in the other side of the map instead of going straight away to kill probes, giving him plenty of time to get Phoenix.
I think that game was the exact definition if "Throw". And I bet she thinks the same way, since in one stream she said something like "I threw hard against Serral in DS" and in this game she was far more ahead of her rival.
And again, like you said people tend to use it in a offensive connotation or to bash some players. I think it's clear thats not my intention at all.
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GSL vs The World Team Competition starts in ~1 hour. Not sure if I'll be able to watch live but GLHF!
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ok now just wait for wcs Montreal
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Ok this one is it Champion trophy is staying in Canada.
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I think that's Friday, Aug 10 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).
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well the take no prisoner Scarlett was out there today going 4-0
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the recent tournament section could have an update. is it only one person doing that? not complaining, just curious.
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Master's Coliseum *now on Tenshi's channel!
* + Show Spoiler +Super quick, GGs. Hopefully everything lines up well for ya with WCS Montreal stuff!
On August 23 2018 17:25 justaguywitha wrote:
the recent tournament section could have an update. is it only one person doing that? not complaining, just curious.
It is just one person updating the OP, my internet has been shaky (or completely and totally dead) all week but I think the last edits I made went through.
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More Drrragon Baaall Zeee Master's Coliseum in *SoonTM. On Tenshi's channel again, we're apparently watching Warcraft 3 first which is also on Back2Warcraft.
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On August 26 2018 13:41 blunderfulguy wrote:More Drrragon Baaall Zeee Master's Coliseum in *SoonTM. On Tenshi's channel again, we're apparently watching Warcraft 3 first which is also on Back2Warcraft.
Okay now Scarlett vs Zest is starting. *Vod here.
+ Show Spoiler +Rip getting all seven Dragon Balls and a wish from Shenron. 
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Well, I didn't expect a quick 0-3 vs Zest, but I didn't expect a quick and ez 3-0 vs Neeb neither, so... Overall, a nice paycheck and good offline practice vs other top players (and a sick DBZ portrait). Let's hope she can reach the Ro4 in a few hours in WCS Challenger, GL!
Also, props to Blunderfulguy for keeping the OP nice and updated 
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Cross server not a problem in that match  ZvZ will certainly be tougher, but can't wait to see her at Montreal
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Oh well, still a good result. Scarlett vs Neeb remains incredibly fickle. 3-0 yesterday to 0-4 today
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EPT
Scarlett
