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On January 26 2015 07:17 Relentless` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 07:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 26 2015 06:18 xtorn wrote:On January 26 2015 06:03 The_Templar wrote:
I don't think SGTK is wrong. She went from "I will qualify for Blizzcon 2015" to "WCS might be my last tournament" (I can't think of a situation after that tweet where she would do anything besides WCS/retire) in two months with her only explanation being that she lost interest. And although she did a fine job during the qualifiers, honestly it didn't feel like she was playing that great during her challenger match (compare the SH games to the ones she played in the qualifiers).
Sure, there might not be a lot to say about why, but I'd like to know either way... First of all, we dont know the entire picture. She might've had personal reasons, which she doesn't have to share. I'd say we keep away from judging the tweet with "last tournament", who knows what came in between that made her decide this. Second of all, SGTK keeps playing the "disrespect" card, yet Scarlett has always been respectful to her fans. Remember that Scarlett said openly last year (and not just once) that she reads her fanclub carefully with an open heart, and genuinely cares about her fans, and wants to know them happy. This statement of hers is solidly confirmed by her post a few days ago here, where she literally asked her fans "do you want me to still play SC2 for you?" Would a disrespectful person ask that question? No, instead would just tweet "im done with sc2. bye". Moreover, during the WCS Challenger phase she replied to SGTK's random questions here, in a very respectful way. After that, SGTK's answer was to characterize her play as "super half-assed effort". You tell me who's the disrespectful one here. Perhaps distasteful would be a better word than disrespectful for you? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, that's all, and I don't think that outside of her TL fanclub I'm alone in that. If you go on reddit you see how disappointed a lot of people are, and how some of them have even turned bitter and disrespectful themselves. Compare to the way they're talking about QXC who is doing a very similar thing right now, and it's obvious people don't like how she's going about it all. And while it's true that she's been pretty super to me actually, Im not an average fan and Im talking from more of a perspective of a person who's a huge fan of her but also of Starcraft. As I've said before, Scarlett in many ways was the initial reason why I got back into SC2, so to see her relitively suddenly break away and not really give us much is very disheartening. It's not like she was like Vortix and was already going to school, or like Naniwa who had been openly trashing the game for some time, like Templar pointed out she went from "im going to blizzcon next year" to retirement is a really short time. And I'm not saying that other people have left in better ways than she has, most do it worse. But the way most foreigners go out is what I'd call ungraceful, and I didn't want to see Scarlett fall into that same pattern. And as for her performance... I would call it half-assed, and perhaps that is harsh but it's true. There's no way she was practicing leading up to that match, a practiced Scarlett would never play so poorly. She's been streaming and talking about almost exclusively Dota recently so it's pretty obvious she wasn't trying too hard for WCS. This is the part I do think is kind of disrespectful to her Sc2 fans, and maybe she did practice really hard and I'm wrong but judging by her play I think anyone can say that she didn't really care much about winning those. If you're gonna play one last tournament, at least give it your all so the fans can have one last one to remember you by. I, and I don't think Scarlett either, wants to be remembered for losing out of challenger to Astrea, who'll probably never go anywhere after this. To those of us who don't really care to watch Dota, that was her last hurrah and that's how she's gone for us. a) She doesn't owe any of us anything. I don't recall her signing a contract in which it is her job to cater to the needs of her fans. She has easily been the best and most receptive player over her duration to interact and be super awesome to her fans since this fan club even started. If anything you should be grateful and give her your thanks for her contributions to the scene overall. You claim to be one of her biggest fans, yet instead of embracing her decisions now and supporting her through and through - you instead choose to be selfish. Can you honestly not read through most of your posts in recent times and not at some point think "wow... who would even have the nerve to talk like this" ? We get it - you are disappointed. A lot of people are - but the this is the reality of the situation. Support her choices like a true fan would or grow up and move on. b) Why you continue to also bash an incredible talent like Astrea is beyond me. I know it is hard to fathom but it if you take a moment and look around the rest of the pro scene you might just realize there are other great players not named Scarlett. The guy is obviously proven good whether you choose to agree with it or not. Let it go already.
a. I don't think she owes us anything, but that isn't to say I didn't hope for better from her. I do thank her for her contributions to the scene, everyone does, I was never trying to imply she hasn't done good for us. And I've argued this before, being disappionted and not liking this situation doesn't make me less of a fan. This attitude of "if you dont fully support her through this then you aren't a true fan". If anything, being critical and wishing for better for and of makes me just as true of a fan as anyone is. I support her right to choose what she wants, but I also think it's fair to be critical sometimes of those choices. Maybe I have been too harsh on her, but again it's only because I think highly of her and was hoping for more.
b. Nothing about Astrea's play indicated he's a "incredible talent". He's a decent player but he kind of lucked out on his opponents in challenger and the qualifiers. And you're talking to the guy who watches almost every korean event I can, obvious I realize there's more talent out there and a lot of players more talented than Scarlett. But this again isn't something to bring in here so I'll take it to PM's if anyone wants to continue this.
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Did someone record her sc2 stream?She played like in 4-5AM EU Time and i miss it again . 
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On January 26 2015 07:34 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 07:17 Relentless` wrote:On January 26 2015 07:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 26 2015 06:18 xtorn wrote:On January 26 2015 06:03 The_Templar wrote:
I don't think SGTK is wrong. She went from "I will qualify for Blizzcon 2015" to "WCS might be my last tournament" (I can't think of a situation after that tweet where she would do anything besides WCS/retire) in two months with her only explanation being that she lost interest. And although she did a fine job during the qualifiers, honestly it didn't feel like she was playing that great during her challenger match (compare the SH games to the ones she played in the qualifiers).
Sure, there might not be a lot to say about why, but I'd like to know either way... First of all, we dont know the entire picture. She might've had personal reasons, which she doesn't have to share. I'd say we keep away from judging the tweet with "last tournament", who knows what came in between that made her decide this. Second of all, SGTK keeps playing the "disrespect" card, yet Scarlett has always been respectful to her fans. Remember that Scarlett said openly last year (and not just once) that she reads her fanclub carefully with an open heart, and genuinely cares about her fans, and wants to know them happy. This statement of hers is solidly confirmed by her post a few days ago here, where she literally asked her fans "do you want me to still play SC2 for you?" Would a disrespectful person ask that question? No, instead would just tweet "im done with sc2. bye". Moreover, during the WCS Challenger phase she replied to SGTK's random questions here, in a very respectful way. After that, SGTK's answer was to characterize her play as "super half-assed effort". You tell me who's the disrespectful one here. Perhaps distasteful would be a better word than disrespectful for you? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, that's all, and I don't think that outside of her TL fanclub I'm alone in that. If you go on reddit you see how disappointed a lot of people are, and how some of them have even turned bitter and disrespectful themselves. Compare to the way they're talking about QXC who is doing a very similar thing right now, and it's obvious people don't like how she's going about it all. And while it's true that she's been pretty super to me actually, Im not an average fan and Im talking from more of a perspective of a person who's a huge fan of her but also of Starcraft. As I've said before, Scarlett in many ways was the initial reason why I got back into SC2, so to see her relitively suddenly break away and not really give us much is very disheartening. It's not like she was like Vortix and was already going to school, or like Naniwa who had been openly trashing the game for some time, like Templar pointed out she went from "im going to blizzcon next year" to retirement is a really short time. And I'm not saying that other people have left in better ways than she has, most do it worse. But the way most foreigners go out is what I'd call ungraceful, and I didn't want to see Scarlett fall into that same pattern. And as for her performance... I would call it half-assed, and perhaps that is harsh but it's true. There's no way she was practicing leading up to that match, a practiced Scarlett would never play so poorly. She's been streaming and talking about almost exclusively Dota recently so it's pretty obvious she wasn't trying too hard for WCS. This is the part I do think is kind of disrespectful to her Sc2 fans, and maybe she did practice really hard and I'm wrong but judging by her play I think anyone can say that she didn't really care much about winning those. If you're gonna play one last tournament, at least give it your all so the fans can have one last one to remember you by. I, and I don't think Scarlett either, wants to be remembered for losing out of challenger to Astrea, who'll probably never go anywhere after this. To those of us who don't really care to watch Dota, that was her last hurrah and that's how she's gone for us. a) She doesn't owe any of us anything. I don't recall her signing a contract in which it is her job to cater to the needs of her fans. She has easily been the best and most receptive player over her duration to interact and be super awesome to her fans since this fan club even started. If anything you should be grateful and give her your thanks for her contributions to the scene overall. You claim to be one of her biggest fans, yet instead of embracing her decisions now and supporting her through and through - you instead choose to be selfish. Can you honestly not read through most of your posts in recent times and not at some point think "wow... who would even have the nerve to talk like this" ? We get it - you are disappointed. A lot of people are - but the this is the reality of the situation. Support her choices like a true fan would or grow up and move on. b) Why you continue to also bash an incredible talent like Astrea is beyond me. I know it is hard to fathom but it if you take a moment and look around the rest of the pro scene you might just realize there are other great players not named Scarlett. The guy is obviously proven good whether you choose to agree with it or not. Let it go already. a. I don't think she owes us anything, but that isn't to say I didn't hope for better from her. I do thank her for her contributions to the scene, everyone does, I was never trying to imply she hasn't done good for us. And I've argued this before, being disappionted and not liking this situation doesn't make me less of a fan. This attitude of "if you dont fully support her through this then you aren't a true fan". If anything, being critical and wishing for better for and of makes me just as true of a fan as anyone is. I support her right to choose what she wants, but I also think it's fair to be critical sometimes of those choices. Maybe I have been too harsh on her, but again it's only because I think highly of her and was hoping for more. b. Nothing about Astrea's play indicated he's a "incredible talent". He's a decent player but he kind of lucked out on his opponents in challenger and the qualifiers. And you're talking to the guy who watches almost every korean event I can, obvious I realize there's more talent out there and a lot of players more talented than Scarlett. But this again isn't something to bring in here so I'll take it to PM's if anyone wants to continue this.
I won't dwell on it beyond what I've already typed because what's obvious is obvious. I just hope at some point in time you'll wake up and realize how ridiculous / unfair your posts have been towards her.
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On January 26 2015 07:44 HEADD wrote:Did someone record her sc2 stream?She played like in 4-5AM EU Time and i miss it again .
If someone can't provide you with that you can always watch the VOD from the WCS twitch stream:
http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_america/b/615573070
Her coverage starts around the 3:20.00 mark.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
I feel like this thread is going in circles
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Scarlett serious question are you going to be trying to go professional dota or atleast make a run at it?
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On January 26 2015 08:14 ahswtini wrote:
I feel like this thread is going in circles
It is. Its been happening since Scarlett announced about retirement.
Scarlett just doesn't like playing SC2 as much anymore, thats it. The sooner people realise it and deal with it, the better.
I personally am here because of Scarlett, not just Starcraft, and shes not disappearing anywhere, at least for now.
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Hey Scarlett! Please keep us posted on your DOTA progress! Maybe you could start a blog here with how things are going? I'm super excited about your switch, but I'm just afraid you'll drop off the map and we won't hear from you much
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On January 26 2015 10:47 BrieFanFiction wrote:Hey Scarlett! Please keep us posted on your DOTA progress! Maybe you could start a blog here with how things are going? I'm super excited about your switch, but I'm just afraid you'll drop off the map and we won't hear from you much
ill second this motion
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On January 26 2015 10:47 BrieFanFiction wrote:Hey Scarlett! Please keep us posted on your DOTA progress! Maybe you could start a blog here with how things are going? I'm super excited about your switch, but I'm just afraid you'll drop off the map and we won't hear from you much
a Vlog even :D
I have the slight feeling that acer is cooking something dota'ish together with Scarlett, that captain tweet hmmm
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
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RIP in peace, Scarlett ;d
Jk, I'm actually excited to see more of her in Dota. Haven't been watching much, if any, SC2 lately...
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On January 26 2015 12:52 xtorn wrote:
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
lol...funniest thing I've read ever.
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don`t think she`s gettin deep into dota, most like a little break before lotv
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On January 26 2015 14:21 Phil0s0pher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 12:52 xtorn wrote:
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
lol...funniest thing I've read ever.
if she trains for a year it's perfectly doable
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On January 26 2015 14:21 Phil0s0pher wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 12:52 xtorn wrote:
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
lol...funniest thing I've read ever.
Found the real Templar guys!
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your Country52797 Posts
On January 27 2015 00:00 RezaGul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 14:21 Phil0s0pher wrote:On January 26 2015 12:52 xtorn wrote:
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
lol...funniest thing I've read ever. Found the real Templar guys!
I'm the real templar though, Scarlett said so o.o
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On January 27 2015 00:01 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 00:00 RezaGul wrote:On January 26 2015 14:21 Phil0s0pher wrote:On January 26 2015 12:52 xtorn wrote:
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
lol...funniest thing I've read ever. Found the real Templar guys! I'm the real templar though, Scarlett said so o.o
No you're the new weird "I'm a fan of Scarlett" The_Templar. The old one is still missing.
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On January 26 2015 08:02 Relentless` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 07:44 HEADD wrote:Did someone record her sc2 stream?She played like in 4-5AM EU Time and i miss it again . If someone can't provide you with that you can always watch the VOD from the WCS twitch stream: http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_america/b/615573070Her coverage starts around the 3:20.00 mark.
Yea i know but i wanted see scarlett play from first person view.
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your Country52797 Posts
On January 27 2015 00:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 00:01 The_Templar wrote:On January 27 2015 00:00 RezaGul wrote:On January 26 2015 14:21 Phil0s0pher wrote:On January 26 2015 12:52 xtorn wrote:
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
lol...funniest thing I've read ever. Found the real Templar guys! I'm the real templar though, Scarlett said so o.o No you're the new weird "I'm a fan of Scarlett" The_Templar. The old one is still missing.
Oh yeah, he's with ByuN.
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On January 26 2015 14:48 xtorn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 14:21 Phil0s0pher wrote:On January 26 2015 12:52 xtorn wrote:
Also Scarlett, TI hype? You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling
lol...funniest thing I've read ever. if she trains for a year it's perfectly doable
She has solid fundamentals from Dota 1, good knowledge of the whole hero pool, already a pretty high MMR off of mainly randoming. Pretty solid foundation, so I would say in 6 months time, she could definitely be on a decent T2 team. She's gonna tryhard, so it's possible.
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