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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 30 2013 13:35 GMT
#8481
he will bounce back, i believe
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
May 30 2013 14:02 GMT
#8482
On May 30 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:
he will bounce back, i believe

Bounce all the way to US probably.
Freelancer veteran
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 30 2013 14:05 GMT
#8483
On May 30 2013 23:02 Liman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:
he will bounce back, i believe

Bounce all the way to US probably.

nope he can't switch regions
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Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
May 30 2013 14:08 GMT
#8484
On May 30 2013 23:05 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 23:02 Liman wrote:
On May 30 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:
he will bounce back, i believe

Bounce all the way to US probably.

nope he can't switch regions

Um i forgot about that.
He should have done it.
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movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
May 30 2013 14:09 GMT
#8485
He can always switch next year. But that's also presuming Prime can even afford to send him to the USA. WCS only pays for flights within the USA.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
May 30 2013 14:10 GMT
#8486
On May 30 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:
he will bounce back, i believe


he did not play great at all. If you look at the engagements in the last game, he allways moved his army in one ball, never fanned out and this is crucial in bio vs colossus play. D: really disappointing performance in a weak group.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 30 2013 14:18 GMT
#8487
On May 30 2013 23:10 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:
he will bounce back, i believe


he did not play great at all. If you look at the engagements in the last game, he allways moved his army in one ball, never fanned out and this is crucial in bio vs colossus play. D: really disappointing performance in a weak group.

he did better than i expected, there are just a few small things that could have easily won him the day that he didn't do

he's actually the highest ranked terran on ladder, got a bit unlucky today. he'll be okay i think
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Moosy
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada396 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 14:31:06
May 30 2013 14:29 GMT
#8488
On May 30 2013 23:18 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 23:10 TeeTS wrote:
On May 30 2013 22:35 opterown wrote:
he will bounce back, i believe


he did not play great at all. If you look at the engagements in the last game, he allways moved his army in one ball, never fanned out and this is crucial in bio vs colossus play. D: really disappointing performance in a weak group.

he did better than i expected, there are just a few small things that could have easily won him the day that he didn't do

he's actually the highest ranked terran on ladder, got a bit unlucky today. he'll be okay i think

are you sure? that's great considering terrans arent doing very well on the korean ladder atm.

edit: i see now, he recently rose up. gogogo mkp.
Strat4lyfe
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore133 Posts
May 30 2013 14:40 GMT
#8489
u done well today mkp~~~ i am happy with that :D
MVP_MarineKing IM_Mvp Acer_MMA
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
May 30 2013 15:06 GMT
#8490
On May 30 2013 23:40 Strat4lyfe wrote:
u done well today mkp~~~ i am happy with that :D


Are you happy he is at code A? Don't understand your logic than.

He is bad and dont deserve to be in code S and that is why he isn't there. You can't say it was luck that didnt make him move on when you lose 3 chance to stay.

Sadly MKP is not code S player atm. He should rethink everything about the game.
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 30 2013 15:22 GMT
#8491
You like to live dangerously, adiga :D
Coming here to post things like "He is bad". It's taboo man, you can think it, but you absolutely cannot speak it in this holy place.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
May 30 2013 15:23 GMT
#8492
On May 31 2013 00:06 adiga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 23:40 Strat4lyfe wrote:
u done well today mkp~~~ i am happy with that :D


Are you happy he is at code A? Don't understand your logic than.

He is bad and dont deserve to be in code S and that is why he isn't there. You can't say it was luck that didnt make him move on when you lose 3 chance to stay.

Sadly MKP is not code S player atm. He should rethink everything about the game.


yeah agree with most of what you said. He could easily have won all of his loses today, but he didn't look any great even in his won games besides the one against true. don't know what up with him and prime, I guess the end is near. D:
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
May 30 2013 15:36 GMT
#8493
I don't think him doing well on ladder is a good sign. On ladder you can get away with a weak playstyle as long as you execute it well (and MKP still executes stuff well), but in prepared or semi-prepared matches you just can't.

He is super super weak vs proxy pylons as we have seen, so he might win by sheer strength on laddet because the opponents aren't playing well enough to not be demolished frontally, or doesn't abuse MKP's clear weaknesses because it's ladder/no care/don't know MKP's weaknesses, but in prepared matches he won't be able to win consistently with such a playstyle.

He might beat the likes of First and Tear by engaging sometimes at better moments or places, but his playstyle won't cut it mowadays.

Not all hope is lost, he was able to improve drastically his TvT a year and a half ago (the blue flame nerf helped) but it will take tomr.
WriterMaru
Horn
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States72 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 15:44:07
May 30 2013 15:43 GMT
#8494
(T)MarineKings (P)First (Z)TRUE (P)Hurricane (T)Bang didnt go so well but remove the hurricane and he would have done ok i think
then he only has 2 worry about 1 guy from each race
iaaimtetwehlrthtetulymwfseihnthnigphgtmnoyneeas.
pidj
Profile Joined December 2012
France47 Posts
May 30 2013 15:53 GMT
#8495
On May 31 2013 00:06 adiga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 23:40 Strat4lyfe wrote:
u done well today mkp~~~ i am happy with that :D


Are you happy he is at code A? Don't understand your logic than.

He is bad and dont deserve to be in code S and that is why he isn't there. You can't say it was luck that didnt make him move on when you lose 3 chance to stay.

Sadly MKP is not code S player atm. He should rethink everything about the game.



Bronze player speaking amen.
First and hurricane are actualy realy good player performing beastly in GSTL even mkp is a higher ranked player his performing is not a sign of weakness in contrary of other terran or past shining star expect MVP who just droping.

And to remind you in his group he had 2 protoss and his lost are against protoss. AND droping in PvT is not a good thing or in rare ocasion. Flash and innovation are not droping in hits match up too.

So just get out of this MKP have an incredible knowledge of the metagame and is a consistant player.
<3 MKP
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 30 2013 15:56 GMT
#8496
See what I mean, adiga? :D
That post was pretty extreme lol. I wouldn't qualify MKP's knowledge of the metagame as "incredible". If anything he loses to an impressive amount of fairly predictable stuff, even for low level viewers like us.
djack0666
Profile Joined March 2011
Belarus219 Posts
May 30 2013 16:33 GMT
#8497
To me what´s happened to him is simple: there is no more spark, motivation, good practice mood or whatever, in Prime.

You see that in Sports all the time, a player loses his motivation after playing with the same people, for the same coach, after a long period of time. He hasn´t lost his micro, his understanding of the game, etc. It just seems to me he needs to be motivated again to play at his highest level, to challenge himself to be better than he is now.

I don´t see Prime lasting long, and now I hope it doesn´t, for the sake of the players
"... of wolf and man!"
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 17:54:12
May 30 2013 17:45 GMT
#8498
Noooo MKP! He actually did better than I expected and he was a hurricane pvp win away from code s. I do think he's lost some motivation and his confidence is lower these days. He has some major issues that need to be fixed, but won't be easy.

His multitasking has never been one of his strong points as he's always had trouble attacking and defending his bases at the same time. Against zerg, this means he always loses a lot to ling runbys, like in the life and curious games. Against toss, this means zealot harass to his expos. Against, terran he's always had trouble dealing with drops.

Last night was pretty inexcusable though. In the first game against hurricane he dealt with the initial dts at the third well. However, for some reason he never kills the proxy pylon. Where does he think the dts are coming from, since he was in the middle of the map? They obviously aren't walking by him, so I can't fathom why he doesn't search for the proxy pylon to kill it. Not searching and killing proxy pylons is not something unique to last night and something that he's always done.

The other main issue holding him back in hots would be the hardest to fix. To be a successful terran in hots, you have to drop everywhere like innovation. That is one of the biggest benefits of hots and to not take advantage of that is handicapping yourself a bit. However, he's never been a heavy drop player in his career and has always been an attack you through the front door with brute force kind of guy. You can't just learn to drop like innovation overnight and would be the hardest thing to improve on for him, since he's never used that style.

Another related thing is he needs to do more multi prong attacks like innovation, even without involving dropping. In the first game b/w innovation and symbol, innovation had waves of marines attacking everywhere. They just kept coming down in groups non stop attacking different bases. MKP has always mostly attacked using his full force at one central location and microing it.

Also, the usual scouting issues too, but that's the easiest to fix, but mkp is just stubborn about it. I know, I just basically said he should play like innovation, but realize that's unrealistic as he's currently the best terran. However, MKP doesn't need to do all those things at innovation level to have success. He just needs to incorporate those things into his play more.

I do worry about mkp's motivation these days, especially cause of the rumours of him playing LoL and hope he doesn't retire if he falls to code b next season. It's really a new world these days with all the kespa players included. It's also sad to see how badly drg is struggling too. Also, to think that mvp, nestea, mc and mma, who I think have 11 gsl titles b/w them are all no longer in the GSL is a bit crazy.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
FanaticCZ
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic287 Posts
May 30 2013 19:23 GMT
#8499
Cmon SKT ...give him an offer :D
INnoVation is the GOAT!
bearzly
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada184 Posts
May 30 2013 20:26 GMT
#8500
His play looked not too bad and he's obviously still tearing up the ladder, but it's just really depressing to see the state that the team is obviously in. MKP doesn't look happy after winning, Gerrard doesn't come talk to him in the booth anymore =/

I really hope something happens because it's getting too sad these days for prime fans
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