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Velocity`
United Kingdom343 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:49 MonsieurGrimm wrote: explain to me what's different about korean zvp? also saying you want the piss beaten out of idra isnt really something that belongs in his fanclub The fact that Koreans can win their ZvPs whereas Idra doesn't and gives up halfway is probably what he was getting at. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:54 Velocity` wrote: The fact that Koreans can win their ZvPs whereas Idra doesn't and gives up halfway is probably what he was getting at. if you've watched him recently, he's been staying in games much longer | ||
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gosublade
632 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:49 MonsieurGrimm wrote: explain to me what's different about korean zvp? also saying you want the piss beaten out of idra isnt really something that belongs in his fanclub Watch them yourself... The point wasn't getting IdrA beat but rather him to stop getting psyched out playing against certain players. | ||
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Velocity`
United Kingdom343 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:56 MonsieurGrimm wrote: if you've watched him recently, he's been staying in games much longer I saw him at MLG where he allin'd every game against MC and got 4-0'd, I don't know whether that means he's staying in games much longer or giving up but either way it's not good. His showing at HSC was better but he still got beaten pretty hard by Huk and I can't imagine someone like Losira losing in such a fashion given the same situation. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:11 Velocity` wrote: I saw him at MLG where he allin'd every game against MC and got 4-0'd, I don't know whether that means he's staying in games much longer or giving up but either way it's not good. His showing at HSC was better but he still got beaten pretty hard by Huk and I can't imagine someone like Losira losing in such a fashion given the same situation. okay, so your advice is for idra to be generally better at SC2 pretty much? thanks, I'm sure he'll take that into consideration | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:11 Velocity` wrote: I saw him at MLG where he allin'd every game against MC and got 4-0'd, I don't know whether that means he's staying in games much longer or giving up but either way it's not good. His showing at HSC was better but he still got beaten pretty hard by Huk and I can't imagine someone like Losira losing in such a fashion given the same situation. This just explains your lack of understanding of the game. General correct rule is that zerg needs an expansion ahead of his enemy. A forge expand with cannon block that MC did versus Idra at Tal'darim Altar means that when Idras expansion is going up MC's is already secured with a wall-in of two cannons which will nullify all all-ins. Idra did what he could by doing an all-in but it was repelled since it was expected. On Shakuras plateau it was the same. The last game he played well, I would even say outplayed MC. But with only one upgrade lacking and the counter to stalkers (hydras, lings, infestors) he still lost. I'm not QQing about balance but Im just saying you dont know what youre talking about. | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
On July 02 2011 04:55 ThreeActPlay wrote: Yeah, he's been playing EU so too much bonus pool i imagine -- he'll get back up there for sure. No he hasnt, he has been playing on NA from EU just on a smurf. He is practicing terran, I'm 90% sure the account is his. But I think he doesnt want to stream because he is playing on a smurf and he doesn't want people to know he is switching(not 100% sure if he will switch yet since his Z is still way better then his T) | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On July 02 2011 07:38 gosublade wrote: IdrA should watch korean ZvP and stop QQing. I love you IdrA but I think someone should beat the piss out of you for you to not get mindfucked by worse players than you. Wow how ignorant are you lol. Have you been watching korean ZvP recently? They are getting raped by blink stalkers. Blink is what huk beat idra with and what the koreans are beating zergs like Sheth with as well. The only time a zerg wins in the GSL is if the protoss does something retarded in the early game like let all their sentries die or lose their natural nexus. | ||
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Velocity`
United Kingdom343 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:16 MonsieurGrimm wrote: okay, so your advice is for idra to be better at SC2 pretty much? thanks, I'm sure he'll take that into consideration No, you missed the whole point of my argument, congratulations. On July 02 2011 08:18 Olsson wrote: This just explains your lack of understanding of the game. General correct rule is that zerg needs an expansion ahead of his enemy. A forge expand with cannon block that MC did versus Idra at Tal'darim Altar means that when Idras expansion is going up MC's is already secured with a wall-in of two cannons which will nullify all all-ins. Idra did what he could by doing an all-in but it was repelled since it was expected. On Shakuras plateau it was the same. The last game he played well, I would even say outplayed MC. But with only one upgrade lacking and the counter to stalkers (hydras, lings, infestors) he still lost. I'm not QQing about balance but Im just saying you dont know what youre talking about. It's not as if I've kept a record of all of his games at MLG, but I remember him saying for one of his games that he specifically wanted Backwater Gulch. The only reason for that being that it has a wide open ramp and from watching his stream you know that he loves to do the roach-ling allin on it. He went into that game knowing he was going to allin, choosing a risky strategy instead of one that could match MC in terms of skill. On the Tal'darim game I know he had to allin because he was behind, but that still doesn't excuse his other games like the one I just mentioned. | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:21 SafeAsCheese wrote: Wow how ignorant are you lol. Have you been watching korean ZvP recently? They are getting raped by blink stalkers. Blink is what huk beat idra with and what the koreans are beating zergs like Sheth with as well. The only time a zerg wins in the GSL is if the protoss does something retarded in the early game like let all their sentries die or lose their natural nexus. Huk beat idra with upgrades. His stalkers were 3-0 and he had a harvester lead most the game after idra scouted 6 gate. If there was a clear imbalance in the game Huk would have won with his first wave of blink stalkers instead of his second. The imbalance is pretty small, but can wins games for you. The biggest imbalance in this game is still the cheese aspect. A cannon rush just plain up beats any zerg any time. And protoss gets a huge advantage from it once it succeds. Should I say cannon contain instead? And this isnt an imbalanced thread, if you wanna talk about that go to the BNET forums. Im sure they would enjoy your company. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
I said facts, if you see what I said to be about imbalance than you have your own disposition. Also, protoss always has better upgrades if they want them, it's their racial advantage. They can get a 7gate +2 blink stalker attack with chroboboost timing attack before you even start +2. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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Starlos
Canada191 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:25 Mafs wrote: Huk beat idra with upgrades. His stalkers were 3-0 and he had a harvester lead most the game after idra scouted 6 gate. If there was a clear imbalance in the game Huk would have won with his first wave of blink stalkers instead of his second. The imbalance is pretty small, but can wins games for you. The biggest imbalance in this game is still the cheese aspect. A cannon rush just plain up beats any zerg any time. And protoss gets a huge advantage from it once it succeds. Should I say cannon contain instead? And this isnt an imbalanced thread, if you wanna talk about that go to the BNET forums. Im sure they would enjoy your company. Why so rude, he just responded to someone ? Not like he brought the discussion here. To be fair, he just wants to defend IdrA. On July 02 2011 08:32 Kluey wrote: Just wait till someone figures out how to deal with blink stalkers or figure it out yourself. You can't just cry about balance and blame all your loses on it. What's that doing in the fanclub ? Maybe you should post that elsewhere instead of starting a flame war. | ||
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j4ckd4v13z
United Kingdom98 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:25 Mafs wrote: Huk beat idra with upgrades. His stalkers were 3-0 and he had a harvester lead most the game after idra scouted 6 gate. If there was a clear imbalance in the game Huk would have won with his first wave of blink stalkers instead of his second. The imbalance is pretty small, but can wins games for you. The biggest imbalance in this game is still the cheese aspect. A cannon rush just plain up beats any zerg any time. And protoss gets a huge advantage from it once it succeds. Should I say cannon contain instead? And this isnt an imbalanced thread, if you wanna talk about that go to the BNET forums. Im sure they would enjoy your company. It's funny how your last 2 lines completely contradict the previous 3. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:24 Velocity` wrote: No, you missed the whole point of my argument, congratulations. the point of your argument is that he's not playing games long enough, which is an outdated point. | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
Why so rude, he just responded to someone ? Not like he brought the discussion here. To be fair, he just wants to defend IdrA. Because TL doesnt like imbalance discussions and neither do I most the time. And when I do I go to BNET forums because the people there give better feedback about imbalance. Defending Idra is fine but if it is based on false assumptions then is is wrong. I prefer the truth over what someone thinks. It's funny how your 2 lines completely contradict the previous 3 He started it, I just responded. Some guy just said Idra should watch more Korean ZvP and then this guy just started raging about how zergs are getting owned in korea. Is that why Nestea says ZvP is the easiest match up? | ||
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gosublade
632 Posts
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Starlos
Canada191 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:41 Mafs wrote: Because TL doesnt like imbalance discussions and neither do I most the time. And when I do I go to BNET forums because the people there give better feedback about imbalance. Defending Idra is fine but if it is based on false assumptions then is is wrong. I prefer the truth over what someone thinks. Are you a mod ? No you're not, so it's not your job to "punish" players who "cry about imbalance". If it pisses you so much, then maybe you're not at the right place, as IdrA like to talk about balance. This isn't the "let's discuss IdrA" thread, this is the "IdrA FANCLUB" thread. Yet I still agree that there shouldn't be any balance discussions (because it's a common TL rule), but as I mentioned earlier, he wasn't the one who brought it to begin with. To Gosublade ; You're forgiven (at least I do forgive you for your mishap). | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On July 02 2011 08:42 gosublade wrote: Sorry for stirring up so much flame. All I wanted to say is IdrA plays way below his skill if he is against an opponent that psychs him out. Zenio, MC, HuK just to name a few. IMO But I mean this is pretty common knowledge. You can find posts about this ever since Columbus when he lost against MMA. Its clearly something hes working on, but I say just give him some time, its been like a month. | ||
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MountainGoat
United States508 Posts
Did anyone see that MLG has posted the groups for MLG Anaheim? IdrA's group has iNcontroL, SjoW, Sheth, and a Korean. Doesn't look like the hardest group he's ever been in but Sheth will have been practicing in Korea for a while, iNcontroL seems to have rededicated himself to being less of a caster and more of a player and SjoW was one of the few to take a game off of MMA. I think he can do well in the group though. | ||
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