On February 19 2011 04:49 Torte de Lini wrote: To be honest, if I didn't learn French at all here in Quebec, I'd be missing out on the country and would probably be hating it here.
Well, in Québec people are wary of their language. If you step on it, it's exactly like stepping on the whole culture itself.
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
On December 15 2004 16:03 tree wrote: Rofl yes fakesteve ;x no good players in hyo speak english or if they do they dont't care to play people that do. And I have gotten alot better since then ^^ we need re :D
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Foreign starcraft pro's don't really have the time to fit learning a new language into their schedule, especially considering how much work that can be. Its also pretty hard for them to find people to teach them as Jinro mentioned earlier.
On February 19 2011 04:49 Torte de Lini wrote: To be honest, if I didn't learn French at all here in Quebec, I'd be missing out on the country and would probably be hating it here.
Well, in Québec people are wary of their language. If you step on it, it's exactly like stepping on the whole culture itself.
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Really? Everywhere? Or are you just making random shit up right now in order to have something to say? I'd love to see you on a 12 hour schedule every day while still squeezing in lessons in $randomlanguage in order to become fluent in it. People that are "rather friendly with foreigners" won't give a shit about whether you speak their language or not as long as you know how to behave. I've lived in Greece for a while and while learning a few common words and phrases makes a nice impression, it has absolutely no impact on how you're regarded as a person. The secret formula is proper behavior. Same for friends from school which happened to end up going to universities in various countries and living there.
The only people that are really, seriously, bitchy about people not being able to speak their language are the french. I'm not trying to troll here in any way, but the french are so extremely patriotic that it's not even funny anymore. Americans have nothing on that.
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Foreign starcraft pro's don't really have the time to fit learning a new language into their schedule, especially considering how much work that can be. Its also pretty hard for them to find people to teach them as Jinro mentioned earlier.
Well, one could always pick up the basics from a book (maybe assimil has one for Korean?), enough to get into basic conversations. And enough people around to correct your pronounciation in case of the tl people over there. :p (even then, if some pronounciation error is your worst problem, you should be a very happy person )
The only people that are really, seriously, bitchy about people not being able to speak their language are the french. I'm not trying to troll here in any way, but the french are so extremely patriotic that it's not even funny anymore. Americans have nothing on that.
I can't say anything about Americans, but god be my witness, that statement on the French is so true. I've been studying in Paris for about 6 months now and I can confirm that any language except for French is neither spoken nor taken seriously here. Trying to talk English to most people here is vain effort, so once you're here you better learn their language fast or lead a life in solitude.
And it might be a Paris thing but I didn't really experience people as particularly helpful (concerning you advancing in their language). They just seem to expect the whole world to speak French, or they just don't talk to you
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Foreign starcraft pro's don't really have the time to fit learning a new language into their schedule, especially considering how much work that can be. Its also pretty hard for them to find people to teach them as Jinro mentioned earlier.
i wasnt judging anyone, what idra does is his business i was just making an observation
On February 19 2011 04:49 Torte de Lini wrote: To be honest, if I didn't learn French at all here in Quebec, I'd be missing out on the country and would probably be hating it here.
Well, in Québec people are wary of their language. If you step on it, it's exactly like stepping on the whole culture itself.
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Really? Everywhere? Or are you just making random shit up right now in order to have something to say? I'd love to see you on a 12 hour schedule every day while still squeezing in lessons in $randomlanguage in order to become fluent in it. People that are "rather friendly with foreigners" won't give a shit about whether you speak their language or not as long as you know how to behave. I've lived in Greece for a while and while learning a few common words and phrases makes a nice impression, it has absolutely no impact on how you're regarded as a person. The secret formula is proper behavior. Same for friends from school which happened to end up going to universities in various countries and living there.
The only people that are really, seriously, bitchy about people not being able to speak their language are the french. I'm not trying to troll here in any way, but the french are so extremely patriotic that it's not even funny anymore. Americans have nothing on that.
Fine not everywhere. To the countries i've been. And thats relatively a lot.
On February 19 2011 04:49 Torte de Lini wrote: To be honest, if I didn't learn French at all here in Quebec, I'd be missing out on the country and would probably be hating it here.
Well, in Québec people are wary of their language. If you step on it, it's exactly like stepping on the whole culture itself.
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Really? Everywhere? Or are you just making random shit up right now in order to have something to say? I'd love to see you on a 12 hour schedule every day while still squeezing in lessons in $randomlanguage in order to become fluent in it. People that are "rather friendly with foreigners" won't give a shit about whether you speak their language or not as long as you know how to behave. I've lived in Greece for a while and while learning a few common words and phrases makes a nice impression, it has absolutely no impact on how you're regarded as a person. The secret formula is proper behavior. Same for friends from school which happened to end up going to universities in various countries and living there.
The only people that are really, seriously, bitchy about people not being able to speak their language are the french. I'm not trying to troll here in any way, but the french are so extremely patriotic that it's not even funny anymore. Americans have nothing on that.
What a nice way to put it. Whether you're right or not maybe you should show some respect to the fellow forum users. Your own experience is as valid as Torte de Lini. You're not someone special like IdrA who can dodge (most) of the "bad shit". You're a normal player who's being disrespectful of others.
And about the language issue, you make it sound like it's EXCLUSIVE to the French. You'd be surprised how many places are like that.
If anyone thinks that becoming fluent in a foreign language is not a ridiculously hard task is just plain ignorant. When I came to the UK for uni two years ago I was extremely confident in my English and it still took me a long long time to get used to the way English people talk... In a way, I am yet to. English, the language that most of us start studying as soon as we are born. Of course, getting to know the basics is not that hard but you have to get to an advanced level in order not to feel isolated by the language barrier.
On February 19 2011 14:49 xtfftc wrote: If anyone thinks that becoming fluent in a foreign language is not a ridiculously hard task is just plain ignorant.
I saw that on TV the day it was on, back then I didn't know who IdrA was though. I watched CNN hoping to see news about SC2 coming out and thought "who's this dude?"
Funny how later I became a fan of "that dude" xDDD
This decision really tears at me. On the one hand, IdrA is going out there and making esports in the West happen, personally, just like day9 has been saying, and I love people who make their hopes a reality.
On the other hand holy fuck GSL starts in like 2 days you couldn't have gone after?
On February 19 2011 04:49 Torte de Lini wrote: To be honest, if I didn't learn French at all here in Quebec, I'd be missing out on the country and would probably be hating it here.
Well, in Québec people are wary of their language. If you step on it, it's exactly like stepping on the whole culture itself.
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Really? Everywhere? Or are you just making random shit up right now in order to have something to say? I'd love to see you on a 12 hour schedule every day while still squeezing in lessons in $randomlanguage in order to become fluent in it. People that are "rather friendly with foreigners" won't give a shit about whether you speak their language or not as long as you know how to behave. I've lived in Greece for a while and while learning a few common words and phrases makes a nice impression, it has absolutely no impact on how you're regarded as a person. The secret formula is proper behavior. Same for friends from school which happened to end up going to universities in various countries and living there.
The only people that are really, seriously, bitchy about people not being able to speak their language are the french. I'm not trying to troll here in any way, but the french are so extremely patriotic that it's not even funny anymore. Americans have nothing on that.
The Netherlands is like the least patriottic country in the world and I still expect people to learn our language when they live here for years. Telling people that they're full of shit because you have another opinion is rather rude and unwanted.
Your last part about the French is just plain funny; they're definitely a patriottic country, but so is America. It's that English just happens to be one of the most widespread languages in the world, so most travelers, businessmen and students know it. If America had it's "own" language you bet there would be people bitching about foreigners not speaking their language when living there.
OT: good to see IdrA going back home, I hope his rudeness was just a defense mechanism to deal with living in Korea. A manner IdrA would be a good representative for Western E-sports.
On February 19 2011 04:49 Torte de Lini wrote: To be honest, if I didn't learn French at all here in Quebec, I'd be missing out on the country and would probably be hating it here.
Well, in Québec people are wary of their language. If you step on it, it's exactly like stepping on the whole culture itself.
its the same everywhere. From my experience with foreign countires people are rather friendly with foreigners and always want to help out and if they know any bit at all will try to communicate in your language. But it's the effort that counts. They want to see you try to speak in their language. If youre there for years and dont even put in any effort people will think youre lazy and disrespectful.
Really? Everywhere? Or are you just making random shit up right now in order to have something to say? I'd love to see you on a 12 hour schedule every day while still squeezing in lessons in $randomlanguage in order to become fluent in it. People that are "rather friendly with foreigners" won't give a shit about whether you speak their language or not as long as you know how to behave. I've lived in Greece for a while and while learning a few common words and phrases makes a nice impression, it has absolutely no impact on how you're regarded as a person. The secret formula is proper behavior. Same for friends from school which happened to end up going to universities in various countries and living there.
The only people that are really, seriously, bitchy about people not being able to speak their language are the french. I'm not trying to troll here in any way, but the french are so extremely patriotic that it's not even funny anymore. Americans have nothing on that.
What a nice way to put it. Whether you're right or not maybe you should show some respect to the fellow forum users. Your own experience is as valid as Torte de Lini. You're not someone special like IdrA who can dodge (most) of the "bad shit". You're a normal player who's being disrespectful of others.
And about the language issue, you make it sound like it's EXCLUSIVE to the French. You'd be surprised how many places are like that.
It makes me a little sad that he's leaving Korea, but it seems like it might be the best choice for him as a player. I do think it will help e-sports in North American, too, as Idra as one of the best-known American players.
Is he going to be able to finish one more GSL? He is seeded as a Code S player.
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