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On August 28 2011 05:45 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:43 Bleak wrote:
Get this guy a psychologist. I'm serious, he's never going to show his potential with this defeatist attitude. He needs help, cut back on signing players and get him straight. Defeatist attitude? rofl. He tried a coinflipp in g2. Not the best decision, but he did it and lost. Then he gets cheesed in game 2, but the bunkers get up, and he gg. Such a defeatist attitude. If you see a way for him to come back from that, please do tell. It was not because of defeatist attitude he lost that
Everyone can make mistakes. Even if that bunker block kills Zerg for the most of the time, there are still times that you can win. I saw MorroW hold that beautifully before. It is not impossible. Idra just starts a game with the mindset of "Okay, I'm going to make ZERO mistakes, and god forbid if I do one, the game is lost." Sometimes this is true, but also, your opponent makes mistakes too. If you leave it right there, you throw a bunch of potentially winnable games into the bin. This is the defeatist attitude.
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On August 28 2011 05:57 drlame wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:52 Aocowns wrote:On August 28 2011 05:49 drlame wrote:On August 28 2011 05:46 Xiron wrote:On August 28 2011 05:44 Aocowns wrote:On August 28 2011 05:43 drlame wrote:On August 28 2011 05:41 trikshun wrote:
When all else fails. Cheese out idrA because you cant beat him in a macro game. Like in game 2. That was just Idra being an idiot :/ Third game he didnt even try aswell. He did only attempt to block a bunker 1 time. He didnt even split his workers or anything. He just didnt want to win. Im just saying it's wrong to degrade Noblesse as a player for cheesing IdrA in game 3, expecially after IdrA tried to cheese game 2. Also Noblesse, by analyzing the little we saw from game 3 could see, was going for a standard game. Sidenote, trikshun I'm not sure why are stirring up shit in this thread with your smug remarks about my name. Try to be less of an asshole and people might respect you, even in real life. edit: some typos. I don't see how 2 raxing with 6(?) pulled SCV's is a standard game. Well, it seems people are responding to your post, not his. I like how you assume he doesnt get respect for saying your name was cool I was talking about the second comment he made, also I was talking about game 2.
Ok then, I didnt see the supposed second message. Thanks for clarifying
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On August 28 2011 06:00 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:45 Aocowns wrote:On August 28 2011 05:43 Bleak wrote:
Get this guy a psychologist. I'm serious, he's never going to show his potential with this defeatist attitude. He needs help, cut back on signing players and get him straight. Defeatist attitude? rofl. He tried a coinflipp in g2. Not the best decision, but he did it and lost. Then he gets cheesed in game 2, but the bunkers get up, and he gg. Such a defeatist attitude. If you see a way for him to come back from that, please do tell. It was not because of defeatist attitude he lost that Everyone can make mistakes. Even if that bunker block kills Zerg for the most of the time, there are still times that you can win. I saw MorroW hold that beautifully before. It is not impossible. Idra just starts a game with the mindset of "Okay, I'm going to make ZERO mistakes, and god forbid if I do one, the game is lost." Sometimes this is true, but also, your opponent makes mistakes too. If you leave it right there, you throw a bunch of potentially winnable games into the bin. This is the defeatist attitude.
This, not to mention he saw it coming from literally a mile away, he could have reacted to it better, oh well.
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We're all real IdrA fans because he is consistently very good, and occaisionally extremely good. It gives us all the ups and downs and a glimmer of hope that he'll take some major title. So, when he wins, the games are absolutely amazing, and when he loses, you pull your hair out, but you keep watching.
Ever follow a baseball team?
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On August 28 2011 06:00 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:45 Aocowns wrote:On August 28 2011 05:43 Bleak wrote:
Get this guy a psychologist. I'm serious, he's never going to show his potential with this defeatist attitude. He needs help, cut back on signing players and get him straight. Defeatist attitude? rofl. He tried a coinflipp in g2. Not the best decision, but he did it and lost. Then he gets cheesed in game 2, but the bunkers get up, and he gg. Such a defeatist attitude. If you see a way for him to come back from that, please do tell. It was not because of defeatist attitude he lost that Everyone can make mistakes. Even if that bunker block kills Zerg for the most of the time, there are still times that you can win. I saw MorroW hold that beautifully before. It is not impossible. Idra just starts a game with the mindset of "Okay, I'm going to make ZERO mistakes, and god forbid if I do one, the game is lost." Sometimes this is true, but also, your opponent makes mistakes too. If you leave it right there, you throw a bunch of potentially winnable games into the bin. This is the defeatist attitude.
I don't see how Noblesse could lose after that. Idra might have had a shot against some foreign terrans, but against a korean... I seriously doubt it
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On August 28 2011 06:02 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:00 Bleak wrote:On August 28 2011 05:45 Aocowns wrote:On August 28 2011 05:43 Bleak wrote:
Get this guy a psychologist. I'm serious, he's never going to show his potential with this defeatist attitude. He needs help, cut back on signing players and get him straight. Defeatist attitude? rofl. He tried a coinflipp in g2. Not the best decision, but he did it and lost. Then he gets cheesed in game 2, but the bunkers get up, and he gg. Such a defeatist attitude. If you see a way for him to come back from that, please do tell. It was not because of defeatist attitude he lost that Everyone can make mistakes. Even if that bunker block kills Zerg for the most of the time, there are still times that you can win. I saw MorroW hold that beautifully before. It is not impossible. Idra just starts a game with the mindset of "Okay, I'm going to make ZERO mistakes, and god forbid if I do one, the game is lost." Sometimes this is true, but also, your opponent makes mistakes too. If you leave it right there, you throw a bunch of potentially winnable games into the bin. This is the defeatist attitude. I don't see how Noblesse could lose after that. Idra might have had a shot against some foreign terrans, but against a korean... I seriously doubt it
But you never know before trying, Idra doesn't even care to try, he accepts his "fate" that he creates within his mind. What about his games versus non-korean terrans? He would do the same thing, he needs to change his attitude and fight back. He might still lose 95% of these games, but the 5% remaining might bring him championships with some added luck.
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its getting REALLY hard to continue to be an IdrA fan
I mean we dont see the other top zergs getting bunker rushed by terrans 80% of the time and losing to it half the time its tried.
Also sick of his stubborness to go muta in zvt when he scouts 2base marine tank allins. other zergs are doing other shit with their gas like infestors, more banelings, and drop harrass. ugh i dont know i just get the feeling its a lack of effort, or just plain stubborness.
W/e ill give him until the end of the year, because i hope that living in the house with huk (and puma?) will help him out.
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On August 28 2011 05:53 Dyssa wrote:
Game 3 is just a ridiculous cheese, the same MVP used to beat NesTea in the GSL. It just sucks being Zerg, regardless of what attitude you have towards playing out games when behind.
2 rax with bunkers is not "ridiculous cheese", its a standard TvZ opening. The only thing non-standard was 4-5 SCVs instead of 2. It's pretty mindboggling that someone of Idra's caliber thinks he can get away sleeping at the keyboard, especially having actually scouted it all coming.
I am a platinum zerg and I swear to god I could've handled that better than he did.
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On August 28 2011 06:13 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:53 Dyssa wrote:
Game 3 is just a ridiculous cheese, the same MVP used to beat NesTea in the GSL. It just sucks being Zerg, regardless of what attitude you have towards playing out games when behind. 2 rax with bunkers is not "ridiculous cheese", its a standard TvZ opening. The only thing non-standard was 4-5 SCVs instead of 2. It's pretty mindboggling that someone of Idra's caliber thinks he can get away sleeping at the keyboard, especially having actually scouted it all coming. I am a platinum zerg and I swear to god I could've handled that better than he did.
I swear to god you couldn't.
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On August 28 2011 06:18 Tekkerz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:13 Jago wrote:On August 28 2011 05:53 Dyssa wrote:
Game 3 is just a ridiculous cheese, the same MVP used to beat NesTea in the GSL. It just sucks being Zerg, regardless of what attitude you have towards playing out games when behind. 2 rax with bunkers is not "ridiculous cheese", its a standard TvZ opening. The only thing non-standard was 4-5 SCVs instead of 2. It's pretty mindboggling that someone of Idra's caliber thinks he can get away sleeping at the keyboard, especially having actually scouted it all coming. I am a platinum zerg and I swear to god I could've handled that better than he did. I swear to god you couldn't.
You don't go to a tournament against the person you may consider your hardest opponent and say I'm going to do a platinum level bunker rush to win the final game.
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On August 28 2011 06:18 Tekkerz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:13 Jago wrote:On August 28 2011 05:53 Dyssa wrote:
Game 3 is just a ridiculous cheese, the same MVP used to beat NesTea in the GSL. It just sucks being Zerg, regardless of what attitude you have towards playing out games when behind. 2 rax with bunkers is not "ridiculous cheese", its a standard TvZ opening. The only thing non-standard was 4-5 SCVs instead of 2. It's pretty mindboggling that someone of Idra's caliber thinks he can get away sleeping at the keyboard, especially having actually scouted it all coming. I am a platinum zerg and I swear to god I could've handled that better than he did. I swear to god you couldn't.
I swaer to god there is no god, god.
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On August 28 2011 06:12 danson wrote:
its getting REALLY hard to continue to be an IdrA fan
I mean we dont see the other top zergs getting bunker rushed by terrans 80% of the time and losing to it half the time its tried.
Also sick of his stubborness to go muta in zvt when he scouts 2base marine tank allins. other zergs are doing other shit with their gas like infestors, more banelings, and drop harrass. ugh i dont know i just get the feeling its a lack of effort, or just plain stubborness.
W/e ill give him until the end of the year, because i hope that living in the house with huk (and puma?) will help him out.
Bhahaha, thanks for making my point. "Oh no he lost against good koreans again, I'm no longer a fan!"
On August 28 2011 06:13 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:53 Dyssa wrote:
Game 3 is just a ridiculous cheese, the same MVP used to beat NesTea in the GSL. It just sucks being Zerg, regardless of what attitude you have towards playing out games when behind. 2 rax with bunkers is not "ridiculous cheese", its a standard TvZ opening. The only thing non-standard was 4-5 SCVs instead of 2. It's pretty mindboggling that someone of Idra's caliber thinks he can get away sleeping at the keyboard, especially having actually scouted it all coming. I am a platinum zerg and I swear to god I could've handled that better than he did.
There was three bunkers, it was a full block. The SCV darted to the other side of the bunker just as Idra's drones was in the place to attack it, with 2 marines right behind. Sure he messed it up, but the game was over, even if he'd held that bunkerrush off 250 times in practice, it doesn't take much to screw it up. It's pretty mindboggling how bunkerrushes like that are still considered to be ok with blizzard, any potentially game ending rush should outright lose you the game if it's held, but bunkerrushes is the standard way of expanding your economy as Terran.
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On August 28 2011 06:13 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:53 Dyssa wrote:
Game 3 is just a ridiculous cheese, the same MVP used to beat NesTea in the GSL. It just sucks being Zerg, regardless of what attitude you have towards playing out games when behind. 2 rax with bunkers is not "ridiculous cheese", its a standard TvZ opening. The only thing non-standard was 4-5 SCVs instead of 2. It's pretty mindboggling that someone of Idra's caliber thinks he can get away sleeping at the keyboard, especially having actually scouted it all coming. I am a platinum zerg and I swear to god I could've handled that better than he did.
Sure, a platinum zerg holding off the rush that beat IdrA and NesTea.
Anyway, bunker-rush might not be a cheese, but it can surely be said of the strategy in question. Walling off the Zerg with three bunkers, covering it with marines and subsequently going in and out to snipe the queen, workers and lings slowly choking a helpless zerg surely is cheesy.
In addition, don't go to the IdrA fanclub claiming you are better. You're not. In fact, I'm sure you're worthy to even compare yourself to IdrA.
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idrA vs machine. Currently leading 1-0
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Losing games outright to 2 rax bunkers is almost as stupid as the other thing I keep seeing pro zergs do every week: see incoming army, keep every single overlord parked in the way, they start getting attacked, still fail to move them away, overlords die, supply block, by the time supply block is gone the zerg is getting overrun.
It's pretty mindboggling that it happens.
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I hope Greg goes to Korea sooner after this mlg
Especially with Huk and Puma leaving, he will get 0 practice
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On August 28 2011 06:22 Dyssa wrote:
In addition, don't go to the IdrA fanclub claiming you are better. You're not. In fact, I'm sure you're worthy to even compare yourself to IdrA.
I am not claiming I am better overall, I am obviously not. But that defence was really really really bad.
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On August 28 2011 06:24 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:22 Dyssa wrote:
In addition, don't go to the IdrA fanclub claiming you are better. You're not. In fact, I'm sure you're worthy to even compare yourself to IdrA. I am not claiming I am better overall, I am obviously not. But that defence was really really really bad.
Hey buddy? Yeah, you. Think you can go somewhere else than the -fanclub- with this nonsense?
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I know he can do better, I don't watch many of his games or his stream. But all the games I have seen where he takes a risk or does a cheese move in these events he seems out of his element and loses those games. I hope he plays to his strengths and shows what he is capable of.
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On August 28 2011 06:26 OrchidThief wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:24 Jago wrote:On August 28 2011 06:22 Dyssa wrote:
In addition, don't go to the IdrA fanclub claiming you are better. You're not. In fact, I'm sure you're worthy to even compare yourself to IdrA. I am not claiming I am better overall, I am obviously not. But that defence was really really really bad. Hey buddy? Yeah, you. Think you can go somewhere else than the -fanclub- with this onsense?
Nope, I can't.
Who are you to tell me, I, an Idra fan, can't voice my frustration with his very obvious head/mental problems he's been having lately?
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