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shadesofkarma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Romania708 Posts
January 10 2011 00:04 GMT
#11521
On January 10 2011 07:46 holdthephone wrote:
spice and wolf is so good it's almost unfair


No it's not.
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
January 10 2011 01:34 GMT
#11522
On January 10 2011 09:04 shadesofkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 07:46 holdthephone wrote:
spice and wolf is so good it's almost unfair


No it's not.


Yes, it is. (See, works both ways.)

Only 3 more days until Fractale and Hourou Musuko air, let's hope they fulfill their expectations.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 01:58:46
January 10 2011 01:58 GMT
#11523
LoGH 25 and 26:

+ Show Spoiler +
...

It was totally Oberstein's fault. If he hadn't convinced Reinhard to treat Kircheis like everyone else, Kircheis would have had his gun. I didn't think he'd die though. I thought it'd be one of those bullshit things where a main character takes like a million shots and lives. Then I remembered the unexpected deaths that people mentioned. *sigh* That killed my day. First time I've cried in a while too...

Edit: As for favorite character, definitely Yang.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 10 2011 05:01 GMT
#11524
I've started watching the LOGH Movies. Just finished the first one, "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars". Most of the movies are (I think) Prequels to the main series, including this one. Its only about an hour long, but the Movie itself is just like 3-4 combined episodes from the main series. Its a nice supplement to the main series, and it was definitely nice to see alot of the characters back in action doing their thing. + Show Spoiler [Spoilers up to the end of season 1] +
It was nice seeing people like Kircheis alive again too.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 05:13:01
January 10 2011 05:12 GMT
#11525
On January 10 2011 14:01 Sentenal wrote:
I've started watching the LOGH Movies. Just finished the first one, "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars". Most of the movies are (I think) Prequels to the main series, including this one. Its only about an hour long, but the Movie itself is just like 3-4 combined episodes from the main series. Its a nice supplement to the main series, and it was definitely nice to see alot of the characters back in action doing their thing. + Show Spoiler [Spoilers up to the end of season 1] +
It was nice seeing people like Kircheis alive again too.


How many movies are there?

Edit: I'm watching FMP 14, and ohmygod so epic. AS ping-pong?
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
January 10 2011 05:18 GMT
#11526
There are at least 3

I've seen Golden Wings, My Conquest is the Sea of Stars, and Overture to a New War.

They're mostly pretty good actually. Golden Wings is a bit weak in animation, but that shouldn't be such a huge problem since it describes a young Kircheis and Reinhard.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 10 2011 05:26 GMT
#11527
There are also some LOGH Gaidens, althought I don't know much about them. I'm getting to them, though. Apparently Overture to a New War is Episode 1+2, with a whole lot of new material added. Watching that right now.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
January 10 2011 06:21 GMT
#11528
On January 10 2011 14:12 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 14:01 Sentenal wrote:
I've started watching the LOGH Movies. Just finished the first one, "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars". Most of the movies are (I think) Prequels to the main series, including this one. Its only about an hour long, but the Movie itself is just like 3-4 combined episodes from the main series. Its a nice supplement to the main series, and it was definitely nice to see alot of the characters back in action doing their thing. + Show Spoiler [Spoilers up to the end of season 1] +
It was nice seeing people like Kircheis alive again too.


How many movies are there?

Edit: I'm watching FMP 14, and ohmygod so epic. AS ping-pong?


Be happy about the fun scenes like AS ping-pong. The next episodes are not that light-hearted. But you will get more Tessa later on and everything is better with Tessa.

That said, I need to watch season 3 already, got a little bit distracted by the new series and other stuff (for example someone convinced me to watch Dance in the Vampire Bund). Episode 1 was epic, the story up to episode 7 is also pretty good, but is this amount of naked loli fanservice really needed? But I guess I know now for sure that I'm not turned on by realistic naked lolis, even though I enjoy Mina Tepes (and other lolis) as characters.

Are here other people who read To Love-Ru Darkness? If so, what's your opinion on chapter 4?
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 06:23:43
January 10 2011 06:23 GMT
#11529
On January 10 2011 15:21 TimeOut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 14:12 Ferrose wrote:
On January 10 2011 14:01 Sentenal wrote:
I've started watching the LOGH Movies. Just finished the first one, "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars". Most of the movies are (I think) Prequels to the main series, including this one. Its only about an hour long, but the Movie itself is just like 3-4 combined episodes from the main series. Its a nice supplement to the main series, and it was definitely nice to see alot of the characters back in action doing their thing. + Show Spoiler [Spoilers up to the end of season 1] +
It was nice seeing people like Kircheis alive again too.


How many movies are there?

Edit: I'm watching FMP 14, and ohmygod so epic. AS ping-pong?


Be happy about the fun scenes like AS ping-pong. The next episodes are not that light-hearted. But you will get more Tessa later on and everything is better with Tessa.

That said, I need to watch season 3 already, got a little bit distracted by the new series and other stuff (for example someone convinced me to watch Dance in the Vampire Bund). Episode 1 was epic, the story up to episode 7 is also pretty good, but is this amount of naked loli fanservice really needed? But I guess I know now for sure that I'm not turned on by realistic naked lolis, even though I enjoy Mina Tepes (and other lolis) as characters.

Are here other people who read To Love-Ru Darkness? If so, what's your opinion on chapter 4?
Imo season 3 is the strongest of the three. It's quite good.

Better than Spice and Wolf, for example :p
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
jackarage
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada104 Posts
January 10 2011 06:25 GMT
#11530
I really like twisted character and ending of anime. How about you? Which twisted anime have you watched? Which one you dislike and you like? I just want some discussion about twisted anime.

please use spoiler tag for not revealing the whole story

TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
January 10 2011 06:31 GMT
#11531
On January 10 2011 15:23 triangle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 15:21 TimeOut wrote:
On January 10 2011 14:12 Ferrose wrote:
On January 10 2011 14:01 Sentenal wrote:
I've started watching the LOGH Movies. Just finished the first one, "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars". Most of the movies are (I think) Prequels to the main series, including this one. Its only about an hour long, but the Movie itself is just like 3-4 combined episodes from the main series. Its a nice supplement to the main series, and it was definitely nice to see alot of the characters back in action doing their thing. + Show Spoiler [Spoilers up to the end of season 1] +
It was nice seeing people like Kircheis alive again too.


How many movies are there?

Edit: I'm watching FMP 14, and ohmygod so epic. AS ping-pong?


Be happy about the fun scenes like AS ping-pong. The next episodes are not that light-hearted. But you will get more Tessa later on and everything is better with Tessa.

That said, I need to watch season 3 already, got a little bit distracted by the new series and other stuff (for example someone convinced me to watch Dance in the Vampire Bund). Episode 1 was epic, the story up to episode 7 is also pretty good, but is this amount of naked loli fanservice really needed? But I guess I know now for sure that I'm not turned on by realistic naked lolis, even though I enjoy Mina Tepes (and other lolis) as characters.

Are here other people who read To Love-Ru Darkness? If so, what's your opinion on chapter 4?
Imo season 3 is the strongest of the three. It's quite good.

Better than Spice and Wolf, for example :p


Heh.

But seriously, what's wrong with Spice and Wolf? I really enjoyed the series (although I found the second season to be weaker compared to the first, which seems another uncommon thing).
Thratur
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada917 Posts
January 10 2011 07:12 GMT
#11532
I also really enjoyed Spice and Wolf. I would like to know what's wrong with it too.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 07:27:00
January 10 2011 07:20 GMT
#11533
Let me see if I can dig up Southlight's post about Spice and Wolf from a while back, he said it best.

Uta posted below, editing out.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
January 10 2011 07:21 GMT
#11534
On December 05 2010 07:23 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 06:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Hmm....

I think the first few shots were a little bit iffy to me.

But I think I'll give it another try.


I dislike Spice and Wolf a fair bit.

The premise is interesting enough; a young (male, this becomes important later on) merchant is on his regular trade route when he stops by a village during their wheat harvesting festival - the idea is that they show appreciation to the "ancient wolf" that had blessed their land many years ago. As per usual, the festival is a sort of capitalist bastardization of the events. Come one night he wakes up to find a human/wolf/thing stowed away in his cart - this is his encounter with the wise old wolf, which would set up the journey the two of them make to find and bring her to her "home."

However, therein starts to lie some issues.

1) the author's not smart enough (might be different in the books). For a story so heavily laden with economy, merchantry, and financials it was a bit bizarre to see most of the plots revolving around some underhanded merchantry as opposed to direct economics. This is all the more bizarre when you consider that the protagonist is supposed to be relatively veteran when it comes to these things, and yet he makes the most stupid of blunders, and the plot device goes as such:
a) MC makes retarded blunder that would throw people into prison for debt
b) by fortune, quick wits, and Horo's cunning, he makes it out
c) moves to next town
d) go back to a
this is aggravating, and further is compounded by
2) Horo's cunning tends to be long-winded (never direct, always does these willy-nilly coy BS that overdramaticizes the main character's plight for 5 episodes before being "solved" in some dumb way.) This then underlines
3) Most of the anime series ends up becoming more of a series of flirtation between the two than an actual "wise old sage vs young lad." While it's not too surprising for a Japanese LN (and I say this with an obvious sarcastic, distasteful tone) it really ruins the premise of Horo the character and starts a downspiral of bad.

I don't recommend it unless you fall in love with Horo. I'm a staunch believer in that being the one and only reason people actually like the anime.

Edit:
TL;DR
For the series to be good, Horo needed to be like Senjougahara from Bakemonogatari. Instead she ended up being like some random girl from a harem anime of your choice. Good game.


There you go.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 07:46:23
January 10 2011 07:37 GMT
#11535
The TL;DR is really on the ball. The Horo-Lawrence relationship needs much more bantering than what they have, instead of good conversations between two intelligent beings we just get them flirting with each other nonstop. While that isn't exactly bad, it gets stale awfully fast. Even Nishio Ishin does dare trying to make entire books on Gahara-san talking to Araragi.

Oh, and the fact that the author just isn't smart enough to make real economic issues later on is also a huge issue. It does just turn into the Lawrence screw up-Horo saves his ass thing.

Another thing is how the going back to homeland thing quickly turned into a plot device for the romance of the two, there is just not enough substance in the relationship of the two characters to make it work out in the long run. That leads to the author inserting more random characters as a device to prop up Horo and Lawrence. It is pretty boring to read after a while.

Really at some point I was watching S&W just because I like the way Horo talks, nothing more.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 07:56:32
January 10 2011 07:55 GMT
#11536
On January 10 2011 16:21 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:23 Southlight wrote:
On December 05 2010 06:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Hmm....

I think the first few shots were a little bit iffy to me.

But I think I'll give it another try.


I dislike Spice and Wolf a fair bit.

The premise is interesting enough; a young (male, this becomes important later on) merchant is on his regular trade route when he stops by a village during their wheat harvesting festival - the idea is that they show appreciation to the "ancient wolf" that had blessed their land many years ago. As per usual, the festival is a sort of capitalist bastardization of the events. Come one night he wakes up to find a human/wolf/thing stowed away in his cart - this is his encounter with the wise old wolf, which would set up the journey the two of them make to find and bring her to her "home."

However, therein starts to lie some issues.

1) the author's not smart enough (might be different in the books). For a story so heavily laden with economy, merchantry, and financials it was a bit bizarre to see most of the plots revolving around some underhanded merchantry as opposed to direct economics. This is all the more bizarre when you consider that the protagonist is supposed to be relatively veteran when it comes to these things, and yet he makes the most stupid of blunders, and the plot device goes as such:
a) MC makes retarded blunder that would throw people into prison for debt
b) by fortune, quick wits, and Horo's cunning, he makes it out
c) moves to next town
d) go back to a
this is aggravating, and further is compounded by
2) Horo's cunning tends to be long-winded (never direct, always does these willy-nilly coy BS that overdramaticizes the main character's plight for 5 episodes before being "solved" in some dumb way.) This then underlines
3) Most of the anime series ends up becoming more of a series of flirtation between the two than an actual "wise old sage vs young lad." While it's not too surprising for a Japanese LN (and I say this with an obvious sarcastic, distasteful tone) it really ruins the premise of Horo the character and starts a downspiral of bad.

I don't recommend it unless you fall in love with Horo. I'm a staunch believer in that being the one and only reason people actually like the anime.

Edit:
TL;DR
For the series to be good, Horo needed to be like Senjougahara from Bakemonogatari. Instead she ended up being like some random girl from a harem anime of your choice. Good game.


There you go.

Just to expand on this --
The biggest problem for me is that besides Lawrence and Horo, there are no remotely interesting characters in the show. That means those two need to be damn interesting, because they are the only two characters you're going to care about. I think that the show could work if the two had slightly more interesting conversations. But it doesn't quite, and the two aren't interesting enough (and their interaction isn't interesting enough) to carry the show. This is only compounded when one of them stops appearing for one reason or another for a couple episodes, at which point the show flounders completely.

Another problem (which hasn't yet been mentioned) is the art. I watched season 1 ages ago, so I don't really remember it, but season 2 had really lazy animation, with shoddy looking backgrounds that hurt the show for me even more. It's ok, I guess, but for a show that has basically no action and a whole lot of sitting around talking, it would be nice to at least be visually appealing, to give me something to look at.

Not to say that Spice and Wolf is a bad show -- I just don't think it's that great of a show either.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
January 10 2011 07:59 GMT
#11537
Only saving grace about S&W is that it didn't fail as badly as sola and Angel Beats.
holdthephone
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States523 Posts
January 10 2011 08:12 GMT
#11538
if you don't think horo is a well written female lead then please, tell me what you are comparing it to.

because i will watch that show instead.
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
January 10 2011 08:28 GMT
#11539
I've watched most of the anime of this season, and even the stuff I thought would be average/sub-par seems pretty good, or at least have really interesting visuals to make them worth seeing.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 08:50:11
January 10 2011 08:36 GMT
#11540
There was one given already, Senjyogahara from Bakemonogatari, though I am not sure whether non-Japanese speakers would appreciate her quite as much. But sure. Crest/Banner of the Stars, Seitokai no Ichizon (should count right?), Denpateki na Kanojo. The latter 2 are not quite the one on one relationship but still has excellent female leads.

Then Kara no Kyoukai, because everyone loves Shiki.

EDIT - Yes, I honestly think that the four from Seitokai no Ichizon has more depth than Horo. At the very least, I couldn't stomach more of the S&W books, I loved the Seitokai series.
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