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MichaelEU
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands816 Posts
March 21 2012 12:55 GMT
#38921
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-21/yamato-macross-director-noboru-ishiguro-passes-away

Some old guy died. That guy directed LoGH.
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LA_Morello
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 13:04:32
March 21 2012 13:00 GMT
#38922
On March 21 2012 18:15 NtsenG wrote:
i hear alot of hype around clannad now im trying to watch it
but 3 episodes in so far it seems so boring i think id find the plot of pornos more interesting
does it get better later on?


I had the same sensation: 3 episodes and boooring.
But the anime gets better and better. Finished it somedays ago and It's one of the favorites. Keep watching, it worths.

Btw, what do you guys think of Another? The last episode will come out next week.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 13:50:14
March 21 2012 13:47 GMT
#38923
On March 21 2012 22:00 LA_Morello wrote:

Btw, what do you guys think of Another? The last episode will come out next week.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://imgur.com/6BVLc


^how i felt about Another. Only reason it didn't go further is cause I want to see that rant post from Ecael.
#freeshauni
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#38924
On March 21 2012 22:47 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 22:00 LA_Morello wrote:

Btw, what do you guys think of Another? The last episode will come out next week.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://imgur.com/6BVLc


^how i felt about Another. Only reason it didn't go further is cause I want to see that rant post from Ecael.


I don't know. I'm not sure why people think it's that horrible. I think it's okay, classic PA Works screwing over things.
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Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 21 2012 13:59 GMT
#38925
On March 21 2012 22:54 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 22:47 Elem wrote:
On March 21 2012 22:00 LA_Morello wrote:

Btw, what do you guys think of Another? The last episode will come out next week.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://imgur.com/6BVLc


^how i felt about Another. Only reason it didn't go further is cause I want to see that rant post from Ecael.


I don't know. I'm not sure why people think it's that horrible. I think it's okay, classic PA Works screwing over things.
Well I'm more talking in terms of interest. It's "good enough" in the sense of being worth the time watching it, but really I lost all interest in the actual plot around episode 7 or 8.
#freeshauni
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 16:40:49
March 21 2012 16:40 GMT
#38926
On March 21 2012 22:54 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 22:47 Elem wrote:
On March 21 2012 22:00 LA_Morello wrote:

Btw, what do you guys think of Another? The last episode will come out next week.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://imgur.com/6BVLc


^how i felt about Another. Only reason it didn't go further is cause I want to see that rant post from Ecael.


I don't know. I'm not sure why people think it's that horrible. I think it's okay, classic PA Works screwing over things.


Seems from what I read here that it turned out to be more final destinationish than mystery which was my main concern. I dropped it after I got spoilled, and frankly just from what I know and figured out from the spoiler it could have been pretty interesting. I was never really upset about getting spoiled but I'll admit im actually glad.

Also just because P.A Works screws over things doesnt mean its a clean bill to screw over things.
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 21 2012 16:47 GMT
#38927
On March 21 2012 20:13 DarthXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:43 KazeHydra wrote:
Well, yes but eventually, the fire should get through the insulation. I guess it's more a matter of how much time really passed; felt like they were running around long enough for it to spread elsewhere, but that's anime time for you. I mentioned airtight due to the lack of smoke and light, actually, rather than the explosion. The fireball explosion is actually what I approve of the most in terms of physics (was more a result of several other not so believable things) but still hilarious to see. Not that it matters since it was a log house.

It's called a backdraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdraft

thank you! I knew there was an actual term for it but I couldn't remember so I kept calling it a fireball explosion lol.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 21 2012 17:41 GMT
#38928
On March 21 2012 21:55 MichaelEU wrote:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-21/yamato-macross-director-noboru-ishiguro-passes-away

Some old guy died. That guy directed LoGH.

Thats sad. The guy Directed both the original Macross and LoGH. RIP.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
March 21 2012 20:16 GMT
#38929
On March 21 2012 21:55 MichaelEU wrote:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-21/yamato-macross-director-noboru-ishiguro-passes-away

Some old guy died. That guy directed LoGH.


And it happens that I finish LoGH the day he dies. T__T RIP
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
March 21 2012 20:30 GMT
#38930
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
[image loading]

Skol
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 20:54:02
March 21 2012 20:51 GMT
#38931
On March 22 2012 05:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
[image loading]


...You really don't know who gave Jin's device to Yunoha? Really? Its painfully obvious. Why/how would Kagura magically teleport a phone with flowers? Zessica's element power is obvious too, its Telekinesis. Its beyond me how Aquarion can confuse someone.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
act.hero
Profile Joined April 2011
United States205 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 21:00:20
March 21 2012 20:59 GMT
#38932
I feel like I enjoy Another because of how silly it got. When I watch shows like Rinne / Symphogear / Pirates (mirai nikki, brave 10, guilty crown, etc), I feel like I'm supposed to be enveloped in storytelling, so it's hard to switch between them and just pick up where I left off every episode.

Another doesn't really require that commitment, its like Nichibros, where I just just watch each episode as it comes out and not have to worry about remembering little mysterious shit that's integral to the plot (which is furthered by the fact that I got spoiled at like episode 3, so I don't really have to worry about the mystery lol).

It probably wasn't intended that way (and obviously nichibros is) but I do really enjoy it. I don't like all the hate it gets, just because people expected something horror-y instead of cute girls surviving cute death at every turn.
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 21:16:12
March 21 2012 21:02 GMT
#38933
On March 22 2012 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 05:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
[image loading]


...You really don't know who gave Jin's device to Yunoha? Really? Its painfully obvious. Why/how would Kagura magically teleport a phone with flowers? Zessica's element power is obvious too, its Telekinesis. Its beyond me how Aquarion can confuse someone.

well, Mikage confuses me a lot because of super magical powers of teleportation and some weird obsession with flowers. You can just tell us who did it if it was that obvious.

On March 22 2012 05:59 act.hero wrote:
I don't like all the hate it gets, just because people expected something horror-y instead of cute girls surviving cute death at every turn.

Wait, since when did Another have cute girls surviving cute death? And it's not that unreasonable to expect horror out of a horror show. Instead we get comedy, which is fine to enjoy, but also a good reason to hate on it. So if a show is labeled mystery, horror, and action but it turned out to be K-ON, it's not okay to complain because you like K-ON? Why bother categorizing stuff into genres if the label doesn't have to be accurate?
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
March 21 2012 21:09 GMT
#38934
On March 22 2012 05:59 act.hero wrote:
I feel like I enjoy Another because of how silly it got. When I watch shows like Rinne / Symphogear / Pirates (mirai nikki, brave 10, guilty crown, etc), I feel like I'm supposed to be enveloped in storytelling, so it's hard to switch between them and just pick up where I left off every episode.

Another doesn't really require that commitment, its like Nichibros, where I just just watch each episode as it comes out and not have to worry about remembering little mysterious shit that's integral to the plot (which is furthered by the fact that I got spoiled at like episode 3, so I don't really have to worry about the mystery lol).

It probably wasn't intended that way (and obviously nichibros is) but I do really enjoy it. I don't like all the hate it gets, just because people expected something horror-y instead of cute girls surviving cute death at every turn.

My face, if you turn a novel into an anime, the anime follows the genre of the novel. The novel is mystery horror, the anime is anything but. It deserves every bit of hate it gets.

That is, unless something failing so hard that it becomes a parody of itself can be viewed in a positive light. I might look at it more kindly if the source sucked anyway, except that isn't the case.

And another use of my face when brave 10, guilty crown, sympho and rinne are supposed to envelope you with storytelling.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
March 21 2012 21:10 GMT
#38935
On March 22 2012 06:02 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
[image loading]


...You really don't know who gave Jin's device to Yunoha? Really? Its painfully obvious. Why/how would Kagura magically teleport a phone with flowers? Zessica's element power is obvious too, its Telekinesis. Its beyond me how Aquarion can confuse someone.

well, Mikage confuses me a lot because of super magical powers of teleportation and some weird obsession with flowers. You can just tell us who did it if it was that obvious.


As I said on IRC: + Show Spoiler +
The flower petals was a big give away. But since it was red. It made me wonder if it was Kagura also. Am I to expect that Mikage is super OP that he can manipulate objects in Vega all the way from Altair? Normally Mikage's colors are associated with light purple/pink, so seeing red petals just threw me off. And since Kagura's favorite color is red, I just thought he would be a suspect as well.
Skol
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 21:12:27
March 21 2012 21:11 GMT
#38936
On March 22 2012 06:02 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
[image loading]


...You really don't know who gave Jin's device to Yunoha? Really? Its painfully obvious. Why/how would Kagura magically teleport a phone with flowers? Zessica's element power is obvious too, its Telekinesis. Its beyond me how Aquarion can confuse someone.

well, Mikage confuses me a lot because of super magical powers of teleportation and some weird obsession with flowers. You can just tell us who did it if it was that obvious.

You answered your own question. Is there a character who can teleport stuff and has a weird obsession with flowers?

On March 22 2012 06:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:02 KazeHydra wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
[image loading]


...You really don't know who gave Jin's device to Yunoha? Really? Its painfully obvious. Why/how would Kagura magically teleport a phone with flowers? Zessica's element power is obvious too, its Telekinesis. Its beyond me how Aquarion can confuse someone.

well, Mikage confuses me a lot because of super magical powers of teleportation and some weird obsession with flowers. You can just tell us who did it if it was that obvious.


As I said on IRC: + Show Spoiler +
The flower petals was a big give away. But since it was red. It made me wonder if it was Kagura also. Am I to expect that Mikage is super OP that he can manipulate objects in Vega all the way from Altair? Normally Mikage's colors are associated with light purple/pink, so seeing red petals just threw me off. And since Kagura's favorite color is red, I just thought he would be a suspect as well.

Yes? Have you even been watching the show?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2585 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 21:14:07
March 21 2012 21:13 GMT
#38937
<Emnjay> i expect more than simplicity from it
<Emnjay> idk why they made the petals red, seriously. thats trolling imo
<Sentenal> yeah i wonder why rose petals are red
<Sentenal> thats stupid



Immortalized. Emnjay #1 flower expert.
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 21 2012 21:14 GMT
#38938
Sent completely missed my sarcasm
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
March 21 2012 21:19 GMT
#38939
On March 22 2012 06:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:02 KazeHydra wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
[image loading]


...You really don't know who gave Jin's device to Yunoha? Really? Its painfully obvious. Why/how would Kagura magically teleport a phone with flowers? Zessica's element power is obvious too, its Telekinesis. Its beyond me how Aquarion can confuse someone.

well, Mikage confuses me a lot because of super magical powers of teleportation and some weird obsession with flowers. You can just tell us who did it if it was that obvious.


As I said on IRC: + Show Spoiler +
The flower petals was a big give away. But since it was red. It made me wonder if it was Kagura also. Am I to expect that Mikage is super OP that he can manipulate objects in Vega all the way from Altair? Normally Mikage's colors are associated with light purple/pink, so seeing red petals just threw me off. And since Kagura's favorite color is red, I just thought he would be a suspect as well.

+ Show Spoiler +
The scene right before Mykage moves the device, he was holding :O, wait for it.... + Show Spoiler +
a red rose. + Show Spoiler +
Doesn't actually look like a red rose, but it's a flower with red petals nonetheless.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 21:22:25
March 21 2012 21:21 GMT
#38940
On March 22 2012 06:19 Nagisama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 06:10 Emnjay808 wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:02 KazeHydra wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:51 Sentenal wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:30 Emnjay808 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Aquarion EVOL 11] +
If Kagura wasnt the one that slipped Jin's device to Yunoha, then I wonder who did? Only person I can suspect would be Fudou Zen. But why would he do that in the first place?

Anyways, this ep was just full of hilarity and fanservice. Loved it so much.

-Mix naked in bathtub *FIST PUMP
-Zessica scared in dark tunnel
-Cayenne crashing Andy's PJ party

And them continuing to show Zessica all sad and depressed is making me depressed too =(
But we got to see how strong her powers can get when shes upset. Which makes me wonder what her element powers are exactly. At first I thought it was having heightened senses if shes all bare skin, but that wouldnt make sense, since Amata and Mikono could do the same thing as well? Or maybe thats because Mikono's element power kicked in and combined them together? Im kinda confused with all this.

But w/e. Ill take Zessica if Amata wont take her. Waifu for life!!!
+ Show Spoiler [Favorite screencap this ep] +
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...You really don't know who gave Jin's device to Yunoha? Really? Its painfully obvious. Why/how would Kagura magically teleport a phone with flowers? Zessica's element power is obvious too, its Telekinesis. Its beyond me how Aquarion can confuse someone.

well, Mikage confuses me a lot because of super magical powers of teleportation and some weird obsession with flowers. You can just tell us who did it if it was that obvious.


As I said on IRC: + Show Spoiler +
The flower petals was a big give away. But since it was red. It made me wonder if it was Kagura also. Am I to expect that Mikage is super OP that he can manipulate objects in Vega all the way from Altair? Normally Mikage's colors are associated with light purple/pink, so seeing red petals just threw me off. And since Kagura's favorite color is red, I just thought he would be a suspect as well.

+ Show Spoiler +
The scene right before Mykage moves the device, he was holding :O, wait for it.... + Show Spoiler +
a red rose. + Show Spoiler +
Doesn't actually look like a red rose, but it's a flower with red petals nonetheless.


GOD DAMMMITTT...
+ Show Spoiler [EVOL 11 screencap] +
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He has used red petals before... Idk why I ever thought he only used white/purple petals. *seppukus

Lets just forget this, and move on folks.
Skol
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