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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 20 2012 12:51 GMT
#38881
On March 20 2012 17:25 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 16:41 Latham wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [GE 119] +
This is getting tiresome. Something fucking up their relationship, Shou throwing a tantrum and Tatsumi having to repair it all. They should either get a break or break up, since we all know it's going to happen eventually.

No way man, I'd say this chapter shows why GE is awesome compared to all those other "romance" (Read:NTR) mangas.
+ Show Spoiler +

Instead of the mangaka just throwing endless miscommunication/misinterpreted statements or other totally irrational incidents, the characters actually seem...dunno, not quite realistic but feasible? Definitely not following the usual formulaic crap at the least. Example:
[image loading]
Instead of just running/crying/avoiding the situation, the protag finds his balls and decides to actually deal with the situation decisively. No fucking way, I'm kinda sick of the usual formulaic and weak sauce/spineless male leads that I've seen in everything else lately. Also there's a trainwreck vibe to this manga that I haven't gotten since geass >_> Also lol implied sex in the next chapter again. Bets on the cockblock?

+ Show Spoiler +
My thoughts exactly. The scenarios can be kind of cliche, but the characters actually act like human beings and regular people instead of manga characters. I also was really surprised/happy that Ucchi fucking grew a backbone in these last few arcs, he was such a pain early on. Realistic, but whiny. Reminded me too much of how I acted in high school :\

I hope he sticks with Shou, she's much more interesting than Yuki, imho.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 20 2012 13:25 GMT
#38882
On March 20 2012 15:10 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 14:52 icean wrote:
Waiting for Another 11

I'm going to assume you mean 12. In which case I will also say that I am not looking forward to it, because 11 was one heck of a trainwreck. It's like PA Works forgot they were making a horror anime.


I don't even know what's going on.

+ Show Spoiler +
Everyone's dying. >.> That's basically the gist of it. Oh, and someone's dead....and...this is more of a mystery than it is a horror.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
MichaelEU
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands816 Posts
March 20 2012 13:44 GMT
#38883
Wow, Good Ending is hilarious. It never fails to crack me up.
世界を革命する力を!― znf: "Michael-oniichan ( *^▽^*)ノ✩キラ✩"
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13086 Posts
March 20 2012 14:28 GMT
#38884
On March 20 2012 22:44 MichaelEU wrote:
Wow, Good Ending is hilarious. It never fails to crack me up.


Who wanna bet that something/someone will interupt them heh?
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 14:43:33
March 20 2012 14:40 GMT
#38885
On March 20 2012 21:49 Late wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 06:19 Thratur wrote:
Another 11, final laugh
+ Show Spoiler +
Well, that was quite a fun episode. Lots of murders going on here. Little information, sadly. If it had not been the next to last episode I probably would not have written anything (just like the beach episode).

I'm glad I was right about the fire, though it was pretty easy to guess considering the huge amount of foreshadowing in the first episode. Still, it would not have been guessable from watching episode 1 only once.

Considering that Akazawa received close to no background this episode, I have no choice but to discount her. There is just no evidence except the hand feeling bullshit, and that's not a piece of evidence, it's either foreshadowing or trolling.

Now let's discuss other things. The crazy bitch claimed that she was with the other Misaki in elementary school and she didn't have an eyepatch, but that the new Misaki has an eye patch, and so it cannot be the same, thus she's dead. Clearly the official answer that we are supposed to come up ourselves is that they're the two sisters and she's just confusing them both. This gives us an undeniable proof that Misaki's sister truly existed. It does not mean, however, that Misaki did not replace her anyway. As I said last week, the curse needs to change facts as well as memory.

There's another thing that annoy me, and it's that no one seem to be aware that Misaki's sister died. Of course, it's possible that the town is too large for that, but with everyone around you dying, you would probably try to investigate a bit about the deaths happening in town. This is not a piece of evidence towards anything, just a thought.

At the end of the episode, we see Misaki climbing up the stairs, as if she had business there. In the preview, we see her going down other stairs with Akazawa. It is clear that Akazawa will pursue her, but it still unknown what Misaki is trying to do up there. That is quite an annoying cliffhanger but I'm pretty sure where she is going is very minor. She might just be going up to go down from somewhere else because damn Akazawa is blocking the way. In any cases, I'm wasting my time on this paragraph.

In the end, both Misaki being dead or Misaki not being dead are still very valid theories, but since there is just so much more stuff on Misaki than there is on anyone else that is not the main character (which has been completely forgotten from the show, I actually very much enjoyed the calls with his father because I trust someone who is not in the city to be telling the truth). My guess for this week is still then on Misaki, and I'm prepared to be wrong. If I'm wrong, then too bad I guess. I at least very much enjoyed trying to figure that one out, and I appreciated this show.


+ Show Spoiler +
The answer as to who is dead - the key points are: episode 1, episode 10 and a phone call with dad.

There are better hints than those tbh considering the real key points basically blurt out the answer.

On March 20 2012 22:25 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 15:10 Spazer wrote:
On March 20 2012 14:52 icean wrote:
Waiting for Another 11

I'm going to assume you mean 12. In which case I will also say that I am not looking forward to it, because 11 was one heck of a trainwreck. It's like PA Works forgot they were making a horror anime.


I don't even know what's going on.

+ Show Spoiler +
Everyone's dying. >.> That's basically the gist of it. Oh, and someone's dead....and...this is more of a mystery than it is a horror.

What are you talking about ZNF, this is fucking comedy.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 20 2012 15:03 GMT
#38886
On March 20 2012 23:40 Ecael wrote:

What are you talking about ZNF, this is fucking comedy.
For us who haven't read the light novel(s?), it's horror tbh. In the entirely wrong way.
#freeshauni
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
March 20 2012 15:11 GMT
#38887
On March 21 2012 00:03 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 23:40 Ecael wrote:

What are you talking about ZNF, this is fucking comedy.
For us who haven't read the light novel(s?), it's horror tbh. In the entirely wrong way.

It would be classified as an actual novel actually. And in my case, the said horror has gone all the way around that it became hilarious.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 15:38:54
March 20 2012 15:32 GMT
#38888
A response I got when I asked someone what they thought about Mirai Nikki:

[image loading]


Can't say I entirely disagree with it, but I still find the show entertaining. As did he.

Edit: Oh and I'm having a hard time coming up with what anime to throw in my brother's face since he said something along the classical lines of "isn't anime for kids? like pokemon?"

Also, I've watched Moretsu Pirates now, it's good. Gonna check out some of the other recommendations as well soon.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
March 20 2012 15:54 GMT
#38889
On March 21 2012 00:32 Maxie wrote:
Edit: Oh and I'm having a hard time coming up with what anime to throw in my brother's face since he said something along the classical lines of "isn't anime for kids? like pokemon?"

Monster, Welcome to the NHK, Hourou Musuko
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 17:03:11
March 20 2012 16:32 GMT
#38890
On March 21 2012 00:54 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 00:32 Maxie wrote:
Edit: Oh and I'm having a hard time coming up with what anime to throw in my brother's face since he said something along the classical lines of "isn't anime for kids? like pokemon?"

Monster, Welcome to the NHK, Hourou Musuko

Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Samurai Champloo, FMA:B, Trigun, some Gundam series, Trinity Blood, Death Note...

I'd also put Gurren Lagann, but that's good fun for all ages :D

Also, about Mirai Nikki. I've not seen the anime, but if it's anything like the manga, it's like "This is great! I'm really enjoying this!"... until the ending. The last like, 20 chapters are just...

[image loading]

Good fun, but I stopped trying to make sense of it once it reached the "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" point.
It's your boy Guzma!
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
March 20 2012 16:35 GMT
#38891
On March 20 2012 21:51 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 17:25 Taku wrote:
On March 20 2012 16:41 Latham wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [GE 119] +
This is getting tiresome. Something fucking up their relationship, Shou throwing a tantrum and Tatsumi having to repair it all. They should either get a break or break up, since we all know it's going to happen eventually.

No way man, I'd say this chapter shows why GE is awesome compared to all those other "romance" (Read:NTR) mangas.
+ Show Spoiler +

Instead of the mangaka just throwing endless miscommunication/misinterpreted statements or other totally irrational incidents, the characters actually seem...dunno, not quite realistic but feasible? Definitely not following the usual formulaic crap at the least. Example:
[image loading]
Instead of just running/crying/avoiding the situation, the protag finds his balls and decides to actually deal with the situation decisively. No fucking way, I'm kinda sick of the usual formulaic and weak sauce/spineless male leads that I've seen in everything else lately. Also there's a trainwreck vibe to this manga that I haven't gotten since geass >_> Also lol implied sex in the next chapter again. Bets on the cockblock?

+ Show Spoiler +
My thoughts exactly. The scenarios can be kind of cliche, but the characters actually act like human beings and regular people instead of manga characters. I also was really surprised/happy that Ucchi fucking grew a backbone in these last few arcs, he was such a pain early on. Realistic, but whiny. Reminded me too much of how I acted in high school :\

I hope he sticks with Shou, she's much more interesting than Yuki, imho.

+ Show Spoiler +

Yeah Yuki's whole 'rape me so I can forget about my first time' thing was ridiculous, maybe Shou will be less crazy. Also remember that these people are exactly high schoolers so whiny sounds about right xD
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 20 2012 17:11 GMT
#38892
On March 21 2012 00:03 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 23:40 Ecael wrote:

What are you talking about ZNF, this is fucking comedy.
For us who haven't read the light novel(s?), it's horror tbh. In the entirely wrong way.

On March 20 2012 04:20 KazeHydra wrote:
LOL Another 11 was pretty comical due to how poorly executed it was.

Granted, Ecael is probably finding it even funnier for different reasons, but I haven't read the novel either and still thought that last ep was pretty hilarious. They could have had the same events play out in a much more believable and logical manner, thus giving it actual horror elements, but instead they just threw everything at us without a care for execution and I couldn't help but laugh. Also, happy birthday Elem, fellow KawaiiRice fan!

Random and unimportant question for Ecael: + Show Spoiler [Another 11] +
How did the fire/explosion work in the novel, if at all? That annoyed/entertained me the most. "hey look a pretty big fire! Let's close the doors and wander around for 15 minutes trying to kill each other (anime time). NOW I start to smell *something*. Let's open this door which is apparently emitting no light, heat, or even smoke that indicates a fire and whattheexplosion!!!!" Clearly, that room was made of the most powerful fireproof material known to man to be able to stop a fire from spreading by keeping the doors closed. At the very least, it must've been airtight lol. Even funnier that one guy got completely burned by the fireball and the guy standing right next to him is completely unharmed.

I actually initially thought this was a dream/illusion of some kind because the fire was so illogical (there wasn't even light or smoke when he first went to the already opened door). Actually I'll use that as my final guess. This whole thing is a stupid dream of some sort created by Misaki's Sharingan. Now she regrets it. All the "hints" are explained by an incomplete illusion on her part because she didn't inherit the Mei bloodline ability and stole the eye from her sister. I'm going to stick with this for the last week lolol.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 17:23:32
March 20 2012 17:19 GMT
#38893
PA Works realized that they have a trainwreck on their hands and decide to see if they can take it full circle into awesomeness by throwing more shit at shit, basically.

In terms of the fire, there was fire in the books, but no one got burnt to a crisp Hollywood style. Incidentally, the door doesn't need to be fireproof or airtight if the building was modern (unfortunately, it wasn't, it was supposed to be a log house). Assuming that there was regular levels of insulation though, it was possible for what was shown to actually happen. Well, the doorknob should be hot and there might be smoke coming out. The room itself would be in a vacuum-like state, opening the door would've caused something like a flashfire from the rush of fresh air inside...not that it matters at all because it was a log house. Oh yeah, it won't be enough to incinerate either.

I like the sharingan theory.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 20 2012 17:33 GMT
#38894
On March 20 2012 17:41 Naphal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 07:30 killa_robot wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:53 Maxie wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:47 Maxie wrote:
Are there any good animes out there with a female main character? I feel like I have watched a few too many "weak male main character" animes lately.


Is there a specific genre you're looking for, because there are quite a few anime with pretty good female leads.


Hmm, I have watched things like clannad and toradora! and on the other hand stuff like black lagoon, code geass, asura cryin, claymore, etc. So I guess romantic, comedy, action or something like that. Sorry if it's still a bit vague.


So I guess just any show with a strong female lead + not pussy male lead?

- Special A
- Fruits Basket (probably qualifies)
- Kaichou wa maid-sama
- Haruhi
- Ouran High School Host Club
- School Rumble
- Shugo Chara

- Ga-Rei Zero
- Grenadier
- Needless (Eve is kind of the main character in a way)
- Scrapped Princess (you may or may not actually consider her to be a strong lead. At the very least I thought she was fitting for her role)

Top ones are more comedy/romance, bottom are more action/adventure.




good recommendations!

when i watched needless at first i thought "WOW GURREN LAGANN HAS AN EQUAL!!!" but the second half seems to be the problem with those series xD

Gurren Lagann has plenty of equals/betters.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 20 2012 17:38 GMT
#38895
On March 21 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 17:41 Naphal wrote:
On March 20 2012 07:30 killa_robot wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:53 Maxie wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:47 Maxie wrote:
Are there any good animes out there with a female main character? I feel like I have watched a few too many "weak male main character" animes lately.


Is there a specific genre you're looking for, because there are quite a few anime with pretty good female leads.


Hmm, I have watched things like clannad and toradora! and on the other hand stuff like black lagoon, code geass, asura cryin, claymore, etc. So I guess romantic, comedy, action or something like that. Sorry if it's still a bit vague.


So I guess just any show with a strong female lead + not pussy male lead?

- Special A
- Fruits Basket (probably qualifies)
- Kaichou wa maid-sama
- Haruhi
- Ouran High School Host Club
- School Rumble
- Shugo Chara

- Ga-Rei Zero
- Grenadier
- Needless (Eve is kind of the main character in a way)
- Scrapped Princess (you may or may not actually consider her to be a strong lead. At the very least I thought she was fitting for her role)

Top ones are more comedy/romance, bottom are more action/adventure.




good recommendations!

when i watched needless at first i thought "WOW GURREN LAGANN HAS AN EQUAL!!!" but the second half seems to be the problem with those series xD

Gurren Lagann has plenty of equals/betters.

Of course, opinion. I haven't had a super robot show hit me nearly as hard as Gurren Lagann.
It's your boy Guzma!
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 20 2012 17:43 GMT
#38896
Well, yes but eventually, the fire should get through the insulation. I guess it's more a matter of how much time really passed; felt like they were running around long enough for it to spread elsewhere, but that's anime time for you. I mentioned airtight due to the lack of smoke and light, actually, rather than the explosion. The fireball explosion is actually what I approve of the most in terms of physics (was more a result of several other not so believable things) but still hilarious to see. Not that it matters since it was a log house.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
March 20 2012 19:21 GMT
#38897
Oh God the horror that is the remade Kyoto arc for Kenshin.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 19:26:45
March 20 2012 19:23 GMT
#38898
On March 21 2012 02:38 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:
On March 20 2012 17:41 Naphal wrote:
On March 20 2012 07:30 killa_robot wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:53 Maxie wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:47 Maxie wrote:
Are there any good animes out there with a female main character? I feel like I have watched a few too many "weak male main character" animes lately.


Is there a specific genre you're looking for, because there are quite a few anime with pretty good female leads.


Hmm, I have watched things like clannad and toradora! and on the other hand stuff like black lagoon, code geass, asura cryin, claymore, etc. So I guess romantic, comedy, action or something like that. Sorry if it's still a bit vague.


So I guess just any show with a strong female lead + not pussy male lead?

- Special A
- Fruits Basket (probably qualifies)
- Kaichou wa maid-sama
- Haruhi
- Ouran High School Host Club
- School Rumble
- Shugo Chara

- Ga-Rei Zero
- Grenadier
- Needless (Eve is kind of the main character in a way)
- Scrapped Princess (you may or may not actually consider her to be a strong lead. At the very least I thought she was fitting for her role)

Top ones are more comedy/romance, bottom are more action/adventure.




good recommendations!

when i watched needless at first i thought "WOW GURREN LAGANN HAS AN EQUAL!!!" but the second half seems to be the problem with those series xD

Gurren Lagann has plenty of equals/betters.

Of course, opinion. I haven't had a super robot show hit me nearly as hard as Gurren Lagann.

Out of curiosity, what shows have you seen to compare it to?

Note: I'm not intending to argue, just curious.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 20 2012 20:06 GMT
#38899
On March 21 2012 04:23 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 02:38 Requizen wrote:
On March 21 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:
On March 20 2012 17:41 Naphal wrote:
On March 20 2012 07:30 killa_robot wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:53 Maxie wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:47 Maxie wrote:
Are there any good animes out there with a female main character? I feel like I have watched a few too many "weak male main character" animes lately.


Is there a specific genre you're looking for, because there are quite a few anime with pretty good female leads.


Hmm, I have watched things like clannad and toradora! and on the other hand stuff like black lagoon, code geass, asura cryin, claymore, etc. So I guess romantic, comedy, action or something like that. Sorry if it's still a bit vague.


So I guess just any show with a strong female lead + not pussy male lead?

- Special A
- Fruits Basket (probably qualifies)
- Kaichou wa maid-sama
- Haruhi
- Ouran High School Host Club
- School Rumble
- Shugo Chara

- Ga-Rei Zero
- Grenadier
- Needless (Eve is kind of the main character in a way)
- Scrapped Princess (you may or may not actually consider her to be a strong lead. At the very least I thought she was fitting for her role)

Top ones are more comedy/romance, bottom are more action/adventure.




good recommendations!

when i watched needless at first i thought "WOW GURREN LAGANN HAS AN EQUAL!!!" but the second half seems to be the problem with those series xD

Gurren Lagann has plenty of equals/betters.

Of course, opinion. I haven't had a super robot show hit me nearly as hard as Gurren Lagann.

Out of curiosity, what shows have you seen to compare it to?

Note: I'm not intending to argue, just curious.

GGG, G Gundam, Gun Buster (been a while on that one), Kotetsu Jeeg, Zoids New Century (if that actually counts), Full Metal Panic (doesn't really count, but amusing at least).

I suppose it could also be our definitions of "better". I don't really count these shows by story or plot, but rather by awesome characters, hot bloodedness, and pure "what the fuck am I watching and why does it make me happy in the pants?". In terms of story, TTGL's is pretty good, but not the best, so if that's what you're going off of I could agree.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 20 2012 20:11 GMT
#38900
On March 21 2012 05:06 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 04:23 Sentenal wrote:
On March 21 2012 02:38 Requizen wrote:
On March 21 2012 02:33 Sentenal wrote:
On March 20 2012 17:41 Naphal wrote:
On March 20 2012 07:30 killa_robot wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:53 Maxie wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On March 19 2012 23:47 Maxie wrote:
Are there any good animes out there with a female main character? I feel like I have watched a few too many "weak male main character" animes lately.


Is there a specific genre you're looking for, because there are quite a few anime with pretty good female leads.


Hmm, I have watched things like clannad and toradora! and on the other hand stuff like black lagoon, code geass, asura cryin, claymore, etc. So I guess romantic, comedy, action or something like that. Sorry if it's still a bit vague.


So I guess just any show with a strong female lead + not pussy male lead?

- Special A
- Fruits Basket (probably qualifies)
- Kaichou wa maid-sama
- Haruhi
- Ouran High School Host Club
- School Rumble
- Shugo Chara

- Ga-Rei Zero
- Grenadier
- Needless (Eve is kind of the main character in a way)
- Scrapped Princess (you may or may not actually consider her to be a strong lead. At the very least I thought she was fitting for her role)

Top ones are more comedy/romance, bottom are more action/adventure.




good recommendations!

when i watched needless at first i thought "WOW GURREN LAGANN HAS AN EQUAL!!!" but the second half seems to be the problem with those series xD

Gurren Lagann has plenty of equals/betters.

Of course, opinion. I haven't had a super robot show hit me nearly as hard as Gurren Lagann.

Out of curiosity, what shows have you seen to compare it to?

Note: I'm not intending to argue, just curious.

GGG, G Gundam, Gun Buster (been a while on that one), Kotetsu Jeeg, Zoids New Century (if that actually counts), Full Metal Panic (doesn't really count, but amusing at least).

I suppose it could also be our definitions of "better". I don't really count these shows by story or plot, but rather by awesome characters, hot bloodedness, and pure "what the fuck am I watching and why does it make me happy in the pants?". In terms of story, TTGL's is pretty good, but not the best, so if that's what you're going off of I could agree.

Does GGG include GaoGaiGar Final?
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