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On September 11 2013 04:57 Zeo1990 wrote:
Alright speculation time:
Mr Soilder is NOT King Riku, hes Rebeccas REAL father which would have made him a Prince (although I think her mother was the more direct lineage and her father married into royalty but i digress its not too important). Anyway, he was originally human, turned into a toy and came back to his daughter after his wife got killed by DF.
Why did Rebecca say her mother was her only family? Because her memory of her father was erased like Mr Soilder mentioned a few chapters ago, so her memeroies of her father are now GONE. Which would mean this flashback in intentionally inacurrate because of the memory motherfuckery that results from being turned into a toy.
So where is the real King Riku you ask? Why i believe hes clearly the masked gladiator Ricky or course! (RIKu/RIKy?) Hes clearly very old and we already had breif flashbacck where we saw Ricky and Rebecca together. This explains why hes so set on keeping the mask on. Because he would being fucking lynched on sight for teh shit he suposedly did (which was probably a set up by DF but we'll see)
I like this theory. But we've seen that this toy thingy was already relevant when Doflamingo took over. So the one who produces toys became a Doflamingo crew member later on?
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What a great chapter.
Build dem feels.
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On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT
i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds
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On September 11 2013 12:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds
Riots for what? I think we can assume Dolfa took over by force and that he's actually a much more evil king than the last one. Who was probably framed for something horrible, which is why everyone hates them. Could be wrong though, maybe Dolfa is actually the lesser of 2 evils this time.
If the old King was actually framed everyone will be overjoyed to have him thrown out of the country.
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On September 11 2013 12:35 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 12:33 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds Riots for what? I think we can assume Dolfa took over by force and that he's actually a much more evil king than the last one. Who was probably framed for something horrible, which is why everyone hates them. Could be wrong though, maybe Dolfa is actually the lesser of 2 evils this time. If the old King was actually framed everyone will be overjoyed to have him thrown out of the country.
dude re-read the chapter Rebecca got like constant boos as she got on stage
i find it impossible to believe that Dofla is the lesser of 2 evils so i think hes done some hypno stuff to the entire country, like with the toys when they talked to the dog who was the chiks hubby and the boys dad they didnt even remember ever having a hubby or dad so doflas done something craaaaaaazy
most likely he somehow imprinted into everyones mind "old king was bad im super good" and thats why everyone loves him and hates the old king
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On September 11 2013 12:37 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 12:35 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:33 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds Riots for what? I think we can assume Dolfa took over by force and that he's actually a much more evil king than the last one. Who was probably framed for something horrible, which is why everyone hates them. Could be wrong though, maybe Dolfa is actually the lesser of 2 evils this time. If the old King was actually framed everyone will be overjoyed to have him thrown out of the country. dude re-read the chapter Rebecca got like constant boos as she got on stage i find it impossible to believe that Dofla is the lesser of 2 evils so i think hes done some hypno stuff to the entire country, like with the toys when they talked to the dog who was the chiks hubby and the boys dad they didnt even remember ever having a hubby or dad so doflas done something craaaaaaazy most likely he somehow imprinted into everyones mind "old king was bad im super good" and thats why everyone loves him and hates the old king
Did you not read what I said? Old king was probably framed, therefore they hate the Royal family. Hypnosis is plausible too, we don't know much about his underlings yet. Gives same results and is possible to remove it and have everyone happy to have the original Royal family back.
I have a feeling you just read the "Riots for what?" and then just responded tbh lol.
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On September 11 2013 12:41 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 12:35 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:33 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds Riots for what? I think we can assume Dolfa took over by force and that he's actually a much more evil king than the last one. Who was probably framed for something horrible, which is why everyone hates them. Could be wrong though, maybe Dolfa is actually the lesser of 2 evils this time. If the old King was actually framed everyone will be overjoyed to have him thrown out of the country. dude re-read the chapter Rebecca got like constant boos as she got on stage i find it impossible to believe that Dofla is the lesser of 2 evils so i think hes done some hypno stuff to the entire country, like with the toys when they talked to the dog who was the chiks hubby and the boys dad they didnt even remember ever having a hubby or dad so doflas done something craaaaaaazy most likely he somehow imprinted into everyones mind "old king was bad im super good" and thats why everyone loves him and hates the old king Did you not read what I said? Old king was probably framed, therefore they hate the Royal family. Hypnosis is plausible too, we don't know much about his underlings yet. Gives same results and is possible to remove it and have everyone happy to have the original Royal family back. I have a feeling you just read the "Riots for what?" and then just responded tbh lol.
what are they even going to frame the king for though? the soldier never mentioned there being a large time of unrest before Dofla arrived so it doesnt seem like he pulled a Crocodile jsut seems like he came one day and took over
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On September 11 2013 12:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 12:41 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 12:35 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:33 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds Riots for what? I think we can assume Dolfa took over by force and that he's actually a much more evil king than the last one. Who was probably framed for something horrible, which is why everyone hates them. Could be wrong though, maybe Dolfa is actually the lesser of 2 evils this time. If the old King was actually framed everyone will be overjoyed to have him thrown out of the country. dude re-read the chapter Rebecca got like constant boos as she got on stage i find it impossible to believe that Dofla is the lesser of 2 evils so i think hes done some hypno stuff to the entire country, like with the toys when they talked to the dog who was the chiks hubby and the boys dad they didnt even remember ever having a hubby or dad so doflas done something craaaaaaazy most likely he somehow imprinted into everyones mind "old king was bad im super good" and thats why everyone loves him and hates the old king Did you not read what I said? Old king was probably framed, therefore they hate the Royal family. Hypnosis is plausible too, we don't know much about his underlings yet. Gives same results and is possible to remove it and have everyone happy to have the original Royal family back. I have a feeling you just read the "Riots for what?" and then just responded tbh lol. what are they even going to frame the king for though? the soldier never mentioned there being a large time of unrest before Dofla arrived so it doesnt seem like he pulled a Crocodile jsut seems like he came one day and took over
Who knows? We know almost nothing about how/why Dolfa took over. Lots to know still. Lots to speculate still. But I think we can all agree that Dolfa took over by force and the people wrongly think badly of the Royal family.
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On September 11 2013 12:45 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 12:44 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 12:41 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 12:35 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:33 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds Riots for what? I think we can assume Dolfa took over by force and that he's actually a much more evil king than the last one. Who was probably framed for something horrible, which is why everyone hates them. Could be wrong though, maybe Dolfa is actually the lesser of 2 evils this time. If the old King was actually framed everyone will be overjoyed to have him thrown out of the country. dude re-read the chapter Rebecca got like constant boos as she got on stage i find it impossible to believe that Dofla is the lesser of 2 evils so i think hes done some hypno stuff to the entire country, like with the toys when they talked to the dog who was the chiks hubby and the boys dad they didnt even remember ever having a hubby or dad so doflas done something craaaaaaazy most likely he somehow imprinted into everyones mind "old king was bad im super good" and thats why everyone loves him and hates the old king Did you not read what I said? Old king was probably framed, therefore they hate the Royal family. Hypnosis is plausible too, we don't know much about his underlings yet. Gives same results and is possible to remove it and have everyone happy to have the original Royal family back. I have a feeling you just read the "Riots for what?" and then just responded tbh lol. what are they even going to frame the king for though? the soldier never mentioned there being a large time of unrest before Dofla arrived so it doesnt seem like he pulled a Crocodile jsut seems like he came one day and took over Who knows? We know almost nothing about how/why Dolfa took over. Lots to know still. Lots to speculate still. But I think we can all agree that Dolfa took over by force and the people wrongly think badly of the Royal family.
Well it's pretty clear that someone working for Dofla can alter memories and I doubt that it's just a byproduct of turning people into toys. Why would turning someone into toys change everyone else's memories? I think there is probably two fruit users, the first turns people into toys and the second alters memories.
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Austria24417 Posts
Remember that the dwarves said there's 900 years of history to this. I'm just gonna assume that it's all related because that's what Oda does, he connects things sublimely.
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Doflamingo has been hinted at having relations with the tenryuubito which could have something to do with how the country views him and the previous king.
I just don't know how, superior theorycrafters help me!
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Yeah that wouldn't be the first time that a Sichibukai has a go at a kingdom through framing its royalty.
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Austria24417 Posts
On September 11 2013 15:43 Incognoto wrote:
Yeah that wouldn't be the first time that a Sichibukai has a go at a kingdom through framing its royalty.
Exactly my first thought. This arc is starting to remind me of Alabasta in some ways. The good ways, I loved the Alabasta arc so much.
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So you suppose that all who "remembered" or knew the truth were made toys then?
I could work with that
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something doesnt seem right which was stated in a early post that the dwarves been fighting the Donquixote family for over 900 years..its obvious that DF isnt 900 years old. maybe the former king was also apart of the Donquixote family bloodline(rebecca some kind relation to DF) which has ruled over dressrosa for 900 years. Which could mean DF was instructed to take over dress rosa as a replacement for the last king doing a poor job
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On September 11 2013 12:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 12:41 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:37 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 12:35 Zooper31 wrote:On September 11 2013 12:33 Forikorder wrote:On September 11 2013 03:08 Superouman wrote:- Soldier already knows some SH crew members - He has a unique personnality - Luffy will change the island to the point Rebecca will be happy and safe. - Soldier will leave Rebecca when she will be happy as seen here + Show Spoiler +- Which means Soldier will leave her and possibly want to the leave the island but has nowhere to go. - I don't see Soldier getting back to his human form or being the old king. That means his fighting style is probably unique. Conclusion: SOLDIER4STRAWHAT i find it pretty unlikely, why would he want to leave Dessrossa? if Dofla gets taken down and the royalty reinstated theyd need muscle to ensure that riots and civil war doesnt rip the country to shreds Riots for what? I think we can assume Dolfa took over by force and that he's actually a much more evil king than the last one. Who was probably framed for something horrible, which is why everyone hates them. Could be wrong though, maybe Dolfa is actually the lesser of 2 evils this time. If the old King was actually framed everyone will be overjoyed to have him thrown out of the country. dude re-read the chapter Rebecca got like constant boos as she got on stage i find it impossible to believe that Dofla is the lesser of 2 evils so i think hes done some hypno stuff to the entire country, like with the toys when they talked to the dog who was the chiks hubby and the boys dad they didnt even remember ever having a hubby or dad so doflas done something craaaaaaazy most likely he somehow imprinted into everyones mind "old king was bad im super good" and thats why everyone loves him and hates the old king Did you not read what I said? Old king was probably framed, therefore they hate the Royal family. Hypnosis is plausible too, we don't know much about his underlings yet. Gives same results and is possible to remove it and have everyone happy to have the original Royal family back. I have a feeling you just read the "Riots for what?" and then just responded tbh lol. what are they even going to frame the king for though? the soldier never mentioned there being a large time of unrest before Dofla arrived so it doesnt seem like he pulled a Crocodile jsut seems like he came one day and took over
Based on the flashback it seemed pretty clear Dolfa implied the royal family was stealing their money and keeping it for themselves. He in turn "freed" their money and gave it "back" to them. In other words, he bribed the entire nation into thinking their kingdom had deceived them by throwing money at them, and apparently it worked pretty well.
On September 11 2013 18:02 Yoshinaka wrote:
something doesnt seem right which was stated in a early post that the dwarves been fighting the Donquixote family for over 900 years..its obvious that DF isnt 900 years old. maybe the former king was also apart of the Donquixote family bloodline(rebecca some kind relation to DF) which has ruled over dressrosa for 900 years. Which could mean DF was instructed to take over dress rosa as a replacement for the last king doing a poor job
The dwarves are probably referring to the tenryuubito, which the donquixote family is likely a part of. Given Robin is with the main force, she'll probably find more information about the void century, the ancient kingdom, and maybe a poneglyph.
According to the wiki, the void century actually started around 900 years ago.
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So far Dressrosa is sure darker than Alabasta.
From what we know the former royal(riku) family didn't have the power to resist. And we have kidnapping, turning people into toys and memory altering.
I expect a typical OP happy end to this arc, but I'm not sure that people will be turned back into humans and regain their memories. At least it would be pretty wimpy to just undo those, and Oda has no history of just "undoing" things.
Maybe I just overreact because manipulating memories is my personal nightmare.
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Austria24417 Posts
Hm, I actually thought Alabasta was the darkest arc there ever was. It had a whole country slowly dying and in their desperation rebelling against the king, it had former friends turning against each other, all set up by a mafia type organisation from behind the scenes. Plus Crocodile was one of the cruelest antagonists in the series. There were political assassinations too, even though the attack on kohza didn't kill him.
There was no mindcontrol involved which actually just makes it darker to me. They were deceived and used to slaughter one another so Crocodile could enjoy himself a kingdom and an unstoppable weapon.
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On September 11 2013 21:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Hm, I actually thought Alabasta was the darkest arc there ever was. It had a whole country slowly dying and in their desperation rebelling against the king, it had former friends turning against each other, all set up by a mafia type organisation from behind the scenes. Plus Crocodile was one of the cruelest antagonists in the series. There were political assassinations too, even though the attack on kohza didn't kill him.
There was no mindcontrol involved which actually just makes it darker to me. They were deceived and used to slaughter one another so Crocodile could enjoy himself a kingdom and an unstoppable weapon.
That's why crocodile is so cool. weird that he'd lose to a rookie though. maybe all the time spending in the shadows organizing baroque works and only fighting small fry made him soft.
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I like how Luffy is collecting princesses. Princess Vivi, Mermaid Princes, Princess Rebecca, the Snake Princess
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