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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On December 16 2013 01:04 Xxio wrote: Going to see it in a few hours. Expecting a safely bland action-adventure targeting ages 10-16. Oh well. wow you must be lots of fun to watch movies with | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On December 16 2013 05:30 Falling wrote: How do you mean exactly? Like they should scale back on Mirkwood, the Elf Halls, & Laketown. Or more the giant forge stuff and mountain shots? Or something else. I mean we are going to different locales- to me the forges were much too large, but Laketown was wonderful. Good luck getting a constructive response out of BtU in a movie thread. | ||
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qotsager
Germany585 Posts
On December 16 2013 08:21 Dunmer wrote: Well now after watching the extended version of the first hobbit I have to say that there are a lot of really good scenes in it. All the dwarves get more screen time and lines so you get to know each one as you would in the books. I know alt of people didn't like that you only really knew some of the dwarves. Also the crew and cast explain why they do the things they do, and a good amount of it makes sense. Like radagadt and his rabbits, because how can your ride a horse through a deep grown forest and how can a horse out run a bunch of wargs. So he imagined this slay of giant rabbits like slay dogs. They then found these rabbits that are the same size as some large dogs and put them in. Until the. I figured they wanted gandalf to be the only wizard on horseback or something trivial. Basically for other people who liked the movie but have things they disliked the extended version is worth a consider. The scenes in rivendel are great in the extended version oh i am absolutely sure they have reasons for everything they did. the question is whether i liked it or not and i kind of feel like a sleigh drawn by rabbits is maybe more fitting for alice in wonderland. also, radagast has bird-feces running down the side of his face. what the fuck. the thing that came to my mind yesterday about what bugged me so much about the movie, since everyone i talked to who saw it and enjoyed it didn't really disagree with my criticism but still really liked it was that probably my expectations were way too high. i still don't get how they see the same flaws i see without it killing the movie for them. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
Case in point is when someone is worried about wolves in the forest, but they turn out to be worgs. What's the point of even mentioning wolves (or bears) when there are only mutant wolves (worgs) or mutant bears (shapeshifters) around anyway. When everything is magical nothing is magical etc. I was watching the movie longing to see anything real, but it never happens. | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On December 16 2013 09:09 Grumbels wrote: When everything is magical nothing is magical etc. I was watching the movie longing to see anything real, but it never happens. Lol. You do know you are watching a Tolkien movie right? In a FANTASY world? | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
As for seeing anything real? I dont understand because it is a movie based on a book with wizards and stone giants and goblins and elves etc so the magic and non realism factor are just in the story. For nature scenes the barrel scene just before and during when they met Bard is real just off the top of head for an example. I am sure others can find examples from this movie. The setpieces are just how Peter Jackson does these movies so he can build the scene like it is in the book because your not gonna find the perfect scene in nature so thats why he uses them alot and the CGI is alot but compared to other movies that come out I dont mind it. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
the book afaik was less serious than LOTR trilogy thus i expected the movie to be fun and full of adventure. | ||
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Satire
Canada295 Posts
The hobbit is a great movie. It's not on the same level as LOTR, which is borderline masterpiece, but it's a good movie on its own. I think people are simply expecting too much from it and judging it to standards which, quite frankly, aren't realistic. LOTR was so good because people were not sure what to expect. The hobbit is "so bad" because people are expecting too much. Some people have very reasonable points regarding plot holes, additions, etc. I am not so certain that this really took away from the movie enough for me to not enjoy it though. Solid 8/10 from me. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
On December 16 2013 16:02 Xiphos wrote: A small question to Tokien fans: the entire WarCraft franchise was based upon/inspired by LotR right? Orcs, humans, elves, etc. all seems to originate from one source. If I remember right Tolkien was a scholar in Norse and Anglo Saxon mythology, and that's where orcs, elves, trolls, wizards and all that came from. But yeah his books created the tropes for pen and paper RPGs, then eventually computer RPGs. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On December 16 2013 16:02 Xiphos wrote: A small question to Tokien fans: the entire WarCraft franchise was based upon/inspired by LotR right? Orcs, humans, elves, etc. all seems to originate from one source. It's based on the Warhammer series. Much like how Starcraft isn't based on Starship Troopers, but rather on Warhammer 40k. On December 16 2013 10:50 Dunmer wrote: I think you mean Beorn the shapeshifter? The one who is like to kill anyone that comes near his land while in bear form and the company just happens to be in said land and the bear is now chasing after them as they run further into his land. He is apart of the story written in the book and if they skipped out Beorn many people would have a complaint I wager. As for seeing anything real? I dont understand because it is a movie based on a book with wizards and stone giants and goblins and elves etc so the magic and non realism factor are just in the story. For nature scenes the barrel scene just before and during when they met Bard is real just off the top of head for an example. I am sure others can find examples from this movie. The setpieces are just how Peter Jackson does these movies so he can build the scene like it is in the book because your not gonna find the perfect scene in nature so thats why he uses them alot and the CGI is alot but compared to other movies that come out I dont mind it. No, it's like how Lord of the Rings is grounded by taking the hobbits as main characters. In the novels there are wild packs of wolves roaming the country, corrupted under Sauron's influence. Wolves are already dangerous, and to think that they might heed the will of Sauron is appropriately scary. To learn that there are mutant wolves bred for combat and to be mounted by the orcs is even more horrid. But in the movies all wolves have become mutated into wargs. I don't particularly mind, except that I think the movie loses some grounding by being too fantastical and that Bilbo should stop talking about real wolves that evidently don't exist in the movie universe since there are only wargs. Wargs that never kill anything ever and never pose a threat to anyone by the way. I have stopped believing middle earth is a real place. It's one thing to embellish, to highlight fantastical elements in real nature, but quite another to use CGI to the point of suffocation so that everything feels like a zone in World of Warcraft. Of course, if you have never been out doors who can tell the difference between WoW and real nature? And if you come from computer game fantasy to Lord of the Rings you might even want more lack of realism and high fantasy. But all of that is bad taste. :o | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
The one thing that still annoys me more than anything about it though, is the addiction to cliches and tropes. There are just so many moment that doesn't make any sense within the plot, but are purely there for the audience. Of course the spider has to be an inch from a dwarf when the elves show up and shoot it in the face. Of course barrels of dwarfs has to be almost emptied into the lake. Of course Bilbo has to kick the key over the edge of a mountain (even though he's fucking looking for it already!). Of course Thorin shows up just in time to step on the key at the very last fucking moment. Of course the dwarfs managed to sneak under a dragon that looking for them, even though the same dragon had no problem smelling and hearing an invisible Bilbo seconds after it woke up for the first time in years. And this is just the beginning. Every single moment of the two first movies has been analyzed and optimized to manipulate the audience. Obviously there is a reason things become cliche, they work. But when everything can be fitted into a formula it becomes entirely unengaging. Desolation of Smaug is a very well made movie. But it isn't a great movie. | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
On December 16 2013 16:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Was good but have no idea why Orlando Bloom was even asked to be in this movie as he serves no role except as a jealous prince. I was talking to a friend about this and we figured its a way for them to get thranduil to be involved since he has to heed his sons advice. Which is why he's chasing after this orc and probably finds the army amassing and goes to tell his people. Also since he's a bit of a dick in this we guessed tauriel is a way for them to show how legolas becomes the person he is in the LoTR. They could have just had legolas as his character in the LoTR but whatever. Incidentally I wouldn't mind aragorn doing a fight scene and saying something totally awesome and leaving again. Just to see more aragorn content, even if it has nothing to do with the plot. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
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On December 17 2013 02:21 Xxio wrote: i thought orlando had the best acting in the movie One-liner trolling, I expected better from you. | ||
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Xxio
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herMan
Japan2053 Posts
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Grumbels
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