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Oh I see. Well the Unfinished Tales has some thoughts on that.
After Celebrimbor is captured, "the House was ransacked. There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Mirdain; but the Seven and the Three he could not find. Then Celebrimbor was put to torment, and Sauron learned from him where the Seven were bestowed. This Celebrimbor revealed, because neither the Seven nor the Nine did he value as he valued the Three; the Seven and the Nine were made with Sauron's aid, whereas the Three were made by Celebrimbor alone, with a different power and purpose."
It would seem that they also fell into Sauron's hands, but no one really cared much about them as it was all about the Three.
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On January 06 2013 11:41 Falling wrote:
Oh I see. Well the Unfinished Tales has some thoughts on that.
After Celebrimbor is captured, "the House was ransacked. There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Mirdain; but the Seven and the Three he could not find. Then Celebrimbor was put to torment, and Sauron learned from him where the Seven were bestowed. This Celebrimbor revealed, because neither the Seven nor the Nine did he value as he valued the Three; the Seven and the Nine were made with Sauron's aid, whereas the Three were made by Celebrimbor alone, with a different power and purpose."
It would seem that they also fell into Sauron's hands, but no one really cared much about them as it was all about the Three.
Yeah, but I don't think it's ever mentioned whether or not they are "clean" rings or also "cursed". Perhaps even connected to the One, even though it's never even implied. They really aren't important, so it's hard to say. Personally I think it would make sense that they have side effects and also lost their powers after Sauron's defeat, which would mean that all magic rings rings were connected to him and therefore explain why even the Three became useless. But at this points it's just assumptions and trying to create rules to the system.
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On January 06 2013 11:53 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 11:41 Falling wrote:
Oh I see. Well the Unfinished Tales has some thoughts on that.
After Celebrimbor is captured, "the House was ransacked. There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Mirdain; but the Seven and the Three he could not find. Then Celebrimbor was put to torment, and Sauron learned from him where the Seven were bestowed. This Celebrimbor revealed, because neither the Seven nor the Nine did he value as he valued the Three; the Seven and the Nine were made with Sauron's aid, whereas the Three were made by Celebrimbor alone, with a different power and purpose."
It would seem that they also fell into Sauron's hands, but no one really cared much about them as it was all about the Three. Yeah, but I don't think it's ever mentioned whether or not they are "clean" rings or also "cursed". Perhaps even connected to the One, even though it's never even implied. They really aren't important, so it's hard to say. Personally I think it would make sense that they have side effects and also lost their powers after Sauron's defeat, which would mean that all magic rings rings were connected to him and therefore explain why even the Three became useless. But at this points it's just assumptions and trying to create rules to the system.
I personally think they would be clean rings and that they were not tied to the One as the full poem goes:
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
To me it seems like the "all" goes on the three, seven and nine and as the lesser rings were all created without the help of Sauron they would not be corruptible in the same way. I think they were so much lesser though, that their impact would be minimal and they were most likely carried back over the ocean by the elves.
But you are entirely correct - we do not know and this is all assumptions.
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wow this movie was so bad. So slow. Way to slow. Couldnt bare it.
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On January 06 2013 12:04 sertas wrote:
wow this movie was so bad. So slow. Way to slow. Couldnt bare it.
This movie was like G.I. Joe compared to the LotR series. It's "bear" in the context you used the word (not being a prick, its TL so English may not be your first language).
I have always thought that the whole opening scene of the book was funny, and I am glad Jackson did it the way he did. Gandalf never goes somewhere without a specific plan of who he wants to do what, and he uses subtle tactics to encourage them to do as he wishes. I think Tolkein was implying that Gandalf had instructed the Dwarves to eat every scrap of food in Bag End, thus making Bilbo more lokely to come with them, since restocking his entire pantry would have been a laborous undertaking. Its kinda funny, but thats how Gandalf operates I believe
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On January 06 2013 12:04 sertas wrote:
wow this movie was so bad. So slow. Way to slow. Couldnt bare it.
Yes, it's one of the main sticking points of the movie. It's even worse if you've read the book and know whats going to happen next and are waiting for it.
About the rings, I'm pretty sure all the rings were made with sauron's help, but the elves and the dwarves were mostly immune to their purpose (being controlled by sauron) and only the men actually end up under his control.
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On January 06 2013 13:00 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 12:04 sertas wrote:
wow this movie was so bad. So slow. Way to slow. Couldnt bare it. Yes, it's one of the main sticking points of the movie. It's even worse if you've read the book and know whats going to happen next and are waiting for it. About the rings, I'm pretty sure all the rings were made with sauron's help, but the elves and the dwarves were mostly immune to their purpose (being controlled by sauron) and only the men actually end up under his control.
Sauron and the Elves together made the nine and the seven, but the three were first crafted after Sauron had left Eregion and traveled to Mordor.
EDIT: Whoops, forgot to paste the quote supporting your statement about men being more susceptible:
“Sauron gathered into his hands all the remaining Rings of Power; and he dealt them out. ... Seven rings he gave to the Dwarves; but to Men he gave nine, for Men proved in this matter as in others the readiest to his will.”
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All I can say that Sauron would have made a bad starcraft player, his map awareness is very bad and he keeps staring at the fights instead of returning back to his base to do stuff there.
He also spends the game massing up an army without trying to expand.
No, you set up a group of, say, five people. Then you place these at the command of the king of Gondor or whatever. You let one person use the ring to win one battle, then this person removes himself from the group and travels back to Rivendell. If at any point this person refuses to give up the ring the king has ordered the army that surrounds him to just kill him.
What if he goes invisible ?
In the end, Sauron was 100% correct. The Ring was destroyed by accident in a way nobody could possibly have predicted. With the exception of Gandalf.
Allright, but what if the group of adventurers consists of at least three people and the ring-bearer is enchained to another member . If he goes completely corrupt , they simply have to catch him and take the ring and cast it into oblivion themselves.
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On January 05 2013 06:15 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:08 farvacola wrote:On January 05 2013 06:02 solidbebe wrote:On December 30 2012 10:26 sambo400 wrote:
Its always easy to spot a Tolkien noob when they point out the Eagles could just carry every character around everywhere they need to go, as if they were some freeking WoW mount or something. So why cant they? The Eagles are meant to be somewhat aloof and nebulous in motivation, sort of like a benevolent manifestation of Nature. There is a reason that Gandalf is always the one to call upon the Eagles in the LOTR trilogy and "The Hobbit", for I do not think the likes of hobbits, humans, and dwarves of the 3rd age know how to call their name. Yeah so why doesn't gandalf call the eagles for them?
Don't get me started on the eagles only part of Tolkien's work that I really don't like.
A realy Deus ex Machina cop out. Eagles could have just taken Frodo and sam right to the mount doom, 30 mintue story.
Or after the goblin cave in the hobbit when they are rescued from the trees eagles should have gone straight to mt doom, problem solved  (yah yah I know they didn't know it was the one ring then)
I just hate the eagles as an easy way out of impossible situations, a happy ending machine.
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On January 06 2013 13:00 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 12:04 sertas wrote:
wow this movie was so bad. So slow. Way to slow. Couldnt bare it. Yes, it's one of the main sticking points of the movie. It's even worse if you've read the book and know whats going to happen next and are waiting for it. About the rings, I'm pretty sure all the rings were made with sauron's help, but the elves and the dwarves were mostly immune to their purpose (being controlled by sauron) and only the men actually end up under his control.
Man everytime I read these posts. All I see is the decorah eagles meme "Haters gon hate"
I've read all the books (The hobbit, lotr, silm, unfinished tales) And other than a few things to nit pick on if. You will enjoy the movie unless you're a sociopath, or just a plain ol hater. In fact, I would venture to say I enjoyed it more BECAUSE I knew what was happening. You can't expect a movie to be verbatim to the book. But this is pretty damn close other than my qualms with radagast.
Was done awesomely, and enjoyed it thoroughly as a non hater for the sake hatin.
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On January 06 2013 23:23 mechavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:15 solidbebe wrote:On January 05 2013 06:08 farvacola wrote:On January 05 2013 06:02 solidbebe wrote:On December 30 2012 10:26 sambo400 wrote:
Its always easy to spot a Tolkien noob when they point out the Eagles could just carry every character around everywhere they need to go, as if they were some freeking WoW mount or something. So why cant they? The Eagles are meant to be somewhat aloof and nebulous in motivation, sort of like a benevolent manifestation of Nature. There is a reason that Gandalf is always the one to call upon the Eagles in the LOTR trilogy and "The Hobbit", for I do not think the likes of hobbits, humans, and dwarves of the 3rd age know how to call their name. Yeah so why doesn't gandalf call the eagles for them? Don't get me started on the eagles only part of Tolkien's work that I really don't like. A realy Deus ex Machina cop out. Eagles could have just taken Frodo and sam right to the mount doom, 30 mintue story. Or after the goblin cave in the hobbit when they are rescued from the trees eagles should have gone straight to mt doom, problem solved (yah yah I know they didn't know it was the one ring then) I just hate the eagles as an easy way out of impossible situations, a happy ending machine.
It's how every situation in LotR/Hobbit gets resolved. Gandalf mysteriously leaves for some reason and returns the last possible second to fix things. Tolkien, in my mind, has always been good at creating an alternate universe, but has never been a truly great/creative writer.
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On January 06 2013 23:52 Arkless wrote:
You will enjoy the movie unless your a sociopath, or just a plain ol hater.
Wow, this sentence takes the cake.
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So I watched the film now. Not a bad film. A little bit slow for my opinion, but the books isn´t so big as one of the three books from LotR, so I expect something like that. But I really like this picture you see, incredible sharp and clear. HFR is a great new technology:D
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On January 06 2013 23:57 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 23:52 Arkless wrote:
You will enjoy the movie unless your a sociopath, or just a plain ol hater. Wow, this sentence takes the cake.
It's also isolated and taken out of context. A large problem this board has. You take one sentence out of many, isolate it and give it it's own meaning. GJ
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On January 07 2013 00:06 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 23:57 corumjhaelen wrote:On January 06 2013 23:52 Arkless wrote:
You will enjoy the movie unless your a sociopath, or just a plain ol hater. Wow, this sentence takes the cake. It's also isolated and taken out of context. A large problem this board has. You take one sentence out of many, isolate it and give it it's own meaning. GJ
I'm not really sure what the context changes to the retardness of that sentence, but I'm sure you'll tell me.
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On January 07 2013 00:09 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 00:06 Arkless wrote:On January 06 2013 23:57 corumjhaelen wrote:On January 06 2013 23:52 Arkless wrote:
You will enjoy the movie unless your a sociopath, or just a plain ol hater. Wow, this sentence takes the cake. It's also isolated and taken out of context. A large problem this board has. You take one sentence out of many, isolate it and give it it's own meaning. GJ I'm not really sure what the context changes to the retardness of that sentence, but I'm sure you'll tell me.
Nope, waste of time. If you didn't get it on the first pass, then you're only interested in reading what you want to read. Good day.
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On January 06 2013 23:52 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 13:00 white_horse wrote:On January 06 2013 12:04 sertas wrote:
wow this movie was so bad. So slow. Way to slow. Couldnt bare it. Yes, it's one of the main sticking points of the movie. It's even worse if you've read the book and know whats going to happen next and are waiting for it. About the rings, I'm pretty sure all the rings were made with sauron's help, but the elves and the dwarves were mostly immune to their purpose (being controlled by sauron) and only the men actually end up under his control. Man everytime I read these posts. All I see is the decorah eagles meme "Haters gon hate" I've read all the books (The hobbit, lotr, silm, unfinished tales) And other than a few things to nit pick on if. You will enjoy the movie unless you're a sociopath, or just a plain ol hater. In fact, I would venture to say I enjoyed it more BECAUSE I knew what was happening. You can't expect a movie to be verbatim to the book. But this is pretty damn close other than my qualms with radagast. Was done awesomely, and enjoyed it thoroughly as a non hater for the sake hatin.
Zzz, seriously, I am boycotting the movie. I had a feeling that some people would say it's slow, given how God damn long Return of the King was and how even scenes in Fellowship were dragged out I am not wasting my money. Before you say anything, I have read all the books as a child 'cos I was a retard. If something is shit but mainstream, I will say it is shit. The Bible is shit, and I'm not going to pretend to like it. Tolkein is likewise shit.
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On January 06 2013 23:23 mechavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:15 solidbebe wrote:On January 05 2013 06:08 farvacola wrote:On January 05 2013 06:02 solidbebe wrote:On December 30 2012 10:26 sambo400 wrote:
Its always easy to spot a Tolkien noob when they point out the Eagles could just carry every character around everywhere they need to go, as if they were some freeking WoW mount or something. So why cant they? The Eagles are meant to be somewhat aloof and nebulous in motivation, sort of like a benevolent manifestation of Nature. There is a reason that Gandalf is always the one to call upon the Eagles in the LOTR trilogy and "The Hobbit", for I do not think the likes of hobbits, humans, and dwarves of the 3rd age know how to call their name. Yeah so why doesn't gandalf call the eagles for them? Don't get me started on the eagles only part of Tolkien's work that I really don't like. A realy Deus ex Machina cop out. Eagles could have just taken Frodo and sam right to the mount doom, 30 mintue story. Or after the goblin cave in the hobbit when they are rescued from the trees eagles should have gone straight to mt doom, problem solved (yah yah I know they didn't know it was the one ring then) I just hate the eagles as an easy way out of impossible situations, a happy ending machine.
Enough with the eagles already. It has been discussed before and if you still think that its a plothole, just go read the books.
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On January 07 2013 01:18 Miami Metro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 23:52 Arkless wrote:On January 06 2013 13:00 white_horse wrote:On January 06 2013 12:04 sertas wrote:
wow this movie was so bad. So slow. Way to slow. Couldnt bare it. Yes, it's one of the main sticking points of the movie. It's even worse if you've read the book and know whats going to happen next and are waiting for it. About the rings, I'm pretty sure all the rings were made with sauron's help, but the elves and the dwarves were mostly immune to their purpose (being controlled by sauron) and only the men actually end up under his control. Man everytime I read these posts. All I see is the decorah eagles meme "Haters gon hate" I've read all the books (The hobbit, lotr, silm, unfinished tales) And other than a few things to nit pick on if. You will enjoy the movie unless you're a sociopath, or just a plain ol hater. In fact, I would venture to say I enjoyed it more BECAUSE I knew what was happening. You can't expect a movie to be verbatim to the book. But this is pretty damn close other than my qualms with radagast. Was done awesomely, and enjoyed it thoroughly as a non hater for the sake hatin. Zzz, seriously, I am boycotting the movie. I had a feeling that some people would say it's slow, given how God damn long Return of the King was and how even scenes in Fellowship were dragged out I am not wasting my money. Before you say anything, I have read all the books as a child 'cos I was a retard. If something is shit but mainstream, I will say it is shit. The Bible is shit, and I'm not going to pretend to like it. Tolkein is likewise shit.
Go away.
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It was OK, I feel the Lotr movies were better made and i actually prefer the old cartoon version of the hobbit to these. Mostly because I know Peter Jackson and Co. are milking the hell out of this book by making it three movies.. too much tbh. The movie itself i felt was a bit long and i felt there were a lot of things that were added to make it longer, either that or its been too long and i don't remember them anymore. Not a bad movie but a little disappointing because i expected a little more from the LotR movies / the hobbit being my favorite of Tolkien's works.
So yeah my overall rating of it was i would say approx 6.5/10 in contrast to say the LotR trilogy i would rate about 8/10 overall.
Worth the watch if you are into fantasy(super fantasy/sci-fi nerd here), otherwise you might as well skip it.
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