EPT[The International 9] Main Event - Day 2 - Page 26
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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goody153
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On August 21 2019 17:15 Shergal wrote: Comparingto OG who beat... whom exactly? The only really strong teams they played were EG (who looked much shakier than both groupstage Secret and current EG) and VG (which was a non-serious game since both were qualified). It's hard to say how TI will go yet, while OG looks the most impressive they haven't really demonstrated that prowess against the other favorites yet. Eh VG is a really strong team. You saying that group A teams are better is not really an argument for Secret being better than OG when the results have been really clear so far who is owning. Even Secret was having a reaaaaally difficult time against newbee but OG just styled on newbee if that is one of the "favorites" you mean. That's how "solid" Secret is compared to OG Of course this is merely for discussion we will find out later who is actually better at the playoffs(assuming they meet.) | ||
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ASoo
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RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:05 goody153 wrote: Looked solid but we are comparing to OG here. If we weren't well i do agree Otherwise no fucking way that looks solid(secret almost lost to 4 lategames against random teams). And EG's last two days was still shaky as hell despite managing to get into upperbracket The quality of how solid they are compared to OG is so damn far. Its like in boxing , once you face the elite its where it counts , taking NEWBEE apart is not a feat that put them that far away from the competition , are they good ? sure , are they far away from the pack ? NO WAY. | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
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goody153
44237 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:18 bluzi wrote: Its like in boxing , once you face the elite its where it counts , taking NEWBEE apart is not a feat that put them that far away from the competition , are they good ? sure , are they far away from the pack ? NO WAY. You didn't seem to watch the group stages. Secret almost lost to newbee twice. Like it was so damn close. OG practically ran through Newbee like they weren't even worth the time. Rewatch the group stages. You wouldn't say the same if you actually have seen all games from both teams (which i did cause i was really dedicated this TI lol i mean i wasn't gonna miss another TI because of RL obligations ) | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
Yapzor is just making so much happen | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:19 goody153 wrote: You didn't seem to watch the group stages. Secret almost lost to newbee twice. Like it was so damn close. OG practically ran through Newbee like they weren't even worth the time. Rewatch the group stages. So are you saying that you expect OG to roll this TI? I say they lose to Secret next series , cya soon!!! | ||
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Shergal
Argentina1191 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:18 goody153 wrote: Eh VG is a really strong team. You saying that group A teams are better is not really an argument for Secret being better than OG when the results have been really clear so far who is owning. Even Secret was having a reaaaaally difficult time against newbee but OG just styled on newbee if that is one of the "favorites" you mean. That's how "solid" Secret is compared to OG Of course this is merely for discussion we will find out later who is actually better at the playoffs(assuming they meet.) I know VG is strong, I'm saying their game was pretty irrelevant much like LGD vs Secret. And I don't subscribe to the tic-tac-toe view where we compare two teams playing the third one as a "benchmark" to see which was more solid. Matchups are a thing (evidence being how different same-region matches feel compared to international matches). OG might be able to dimantle Newbee but that's owed a lot to Newbee's inability to grasp and counter their strategy, and we don't know if that applies to Secret, LGD or VG. Hell, even EG if they win this series: pros are always talking about how teams evolve throughout long tournaments to a point where comparing groupstage to later playoffs rounds is pointless. | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
Mindset is everything folks | ||
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woojaekeem
United States524 Posts
secret cores can farm way more aggressively and eg lost so much map control just going to get devoured economically | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:22 Taf the Ghost wrote: Midone finally has a game. EE was analyzing the first 2 games and he said something like if midone has a game, Secret is nearly unbeatable | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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goody153
44237 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:21 bluzi wrote: So are you saying that you expect OG to roll this TI? I say they lose to Secret next series , cya soon!!! I pretty much don't care if OG or Secret wins next series(as it seems Secret is gonna win this series considering how tilted EG seems to be playing lol) but i am arguing about how clearly you haven't seen the group stages but made remarks about Secret being far more "solid" than OG has been. If you have you would have different thoughts about the games. Obviously we will never know till the real series is played but saying Secret is the actual best team so far is not actually a thing. (it is possible but as we have seen so far nope) | ||
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babysimba
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:24 TomatoBisque wrote: EE was analyzing the first 2 games and he said something like if midone has a game, Secret is nearly unbeatable Well, shutting down Midone was the most effective I've seen a team really take apart Secret in a while. So, a lot of logic about it. | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
On August 21 2019 17:21 Shergal wrote: I know VG is strong, I'm saying their game was pretty irrelevant much like LGD vs Secret. And I don't subscribe to the tic-tac-toe view where we compare two teams playing the third one as a "benchmark" to see which was more solid. Matchups are a thing (evidence being how different same-region matches feel compared to international matches). OG might be able to dimantle Newbee but that's owed a lot to Newbee's inability to grasp and counter their strategy, and we don't know if that applies to Secret, LGD or VG. Hell, even EG if they win this series: pros are always talking about how teams evolve throughout long tournaments to a point where comparing groupstage to later playoffs rounds is pointless. Ah well ofc that's just us theorycrafting who is going to beat who | ||
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