Help me learn to storm - Page 2

Belisarius

Australia6233 Posts

September 14 2016 22:43 GMT

#21

On September 15 2016 05:49 ahw wrote:
I think it's a useful point. You can start analyzing matchups, or you can just optimize farming and laning techniques that work in 90% of games, regardless of teammates or matchups. I'd rather invest my time in the 90% useful thing until I've got that to a 5-6k+ level, then focus on the finer things.

I mean it's still pretty useful to have detailed info available, in addition to the general principle.

Would I go to the effort of practicing storm v. sniper over and over? Probably not, but if someone's made the effort it's super helpful to have a cheat sheet like that to check back on

Personally I suck at storm but I'd love to have something like that for a bunch of other heroes.

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

September 15 2016 00:28 GMT

#22

On September 15 2016 07:43 Belisarius wrote:

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Certainly the blitzdota videos on TA vs storm, viper vs storm, lina vs storm completely changed how I approach hard and easy lanes, and it would be super handy to have the same on every matchup in the history of midlane

but I'll practice the matchups myself as well and see how it goes.

It's all very well saying "storm loses most lanes" but you can punish some heroes easier than others if they misplay. Also not sure about TA being a lost lane for storm, watching blitz vs TA it seems like if anything it's storm favoured if you play it right. Which is more the kind of information I'm looking for; if it turns out that you can consistently bully, say, a sniper out of lane then I want to know that I can

winning lane > trading equal > losing lane.

Thanks for the writeup though, pretty useful infos.

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

September 15 2016 05:26 GMT

#23

TA vs storm is extremely extremely TA favored. The thing is most ppl have gotten so good at dota that they usually know how to play the matchup well. if you play passive as storm vs TA, you would just get psi bladed to death. and once TA gets lvl 2 refraction the lane is pretty much over for storm, and you are relegated to using remanent to farm and push out.

The key to win a pure 1v1 mid as TA is to just get a salve early or even 2. lvl up psi blades and trade aggressively. If storm uses remanent to push out the first wave, he would most likely have to use one or even 2. And hes fucked for the rest of the laning phase once TA gets refraction at lvl 2. I would gladly trade 300 or even 200 of storm's mana at lvl 1 for 400-500 worth of hp dmg, because i know he will be fucked the rest of the lane.

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

September 15 2016 05:37 GMT

#24

On September 15 2016 14:26 Kaj wrote:
TA vs storm is extremely extremely TA favored. The thing is most ppl have gotten so good at dota that they usually know how to play the matchup well. if you play passive as storm vs TA, you would just get psi bladed to death. and once TA gets lvl 2 refraction the lane is pretty much over for storm, and you are relegated to using remanent to farm and push out.

The key to win a pure 1v1 mid as TA is to just get a salve early or even 2. lvl up psi blades and trade aggressively. If storm uses remanent to push out the first wave, he would most likely have to use one or even 2. And hes fucked for the rest of the laning phase once TA gets refraction at lvl 2. I would gladly trade 300 or even 200 of storm's mana at lvl 1 for 400-500 worth of hp dmg, because i know he will be fucked the rest of the lane.

this is basically wrong now? Even though he got a salve and psi blades first?

Kaj

Singapore269 Posts

September 15 2016 10:08 GMT

#25

1) IF you watched carefully, the TA didnt skill psi blades first, he went lvl 1 refraction and probably 2 branches no wb whatever because he got his bottle WAY too fast. When you go no stats bottle rush there is zero chance you can make an effective trade.

2) This is like patch 6.82 whatever where storm CAN afford to remanent spam because it costs 70 instead of 100 now, which is a HUGE difference.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

September 15 2016 15:00 GMT

#26

On September 15 2016 19:08 Kaj wrote:
1) IF you watched carefully, the TA didnt skill psi blades first, he went lvl 1 refraction and probably 2 branches no wb whatever because he got his bottle WAY too fast. When you go no stats bottle rush there is zero chance you can make an effective trade.

2) This is like patch 6.82 whatever where storm CAN afford to remanent spam because it costs 70 instead of 100 now, which is a HUGE difference.

Ye also the bottle mana regen nerf hurts storm way more than TA. And the ranged creep deny is in ta's favor as well with refraction which makes a big different now

Jisira

470 Posts

September 16 2016 13:59 GMT

#27

Different heroes wreck you in different ways. Just remember that if you don't lose super-hard you will kill their team. He just has a poor synergy versus a lot of mid lane heroes 1v1.

I used to stack with a roaming Tusk mainly because Tusk early is one of the few heroes that can roam and also force your opponent to be melee with you for a while. It helps a lot do get double remnant out on someone on a roam. He is a great Storm enabler.

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