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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
January 18 2014 19:28 GMT
#14981
is it just me or is shadow demon the most useless hero in all of dota?
the only useful skill is his disruption, everything else is just bad compared to other (support) heros. Why would anyone pick this hero over any other support or hero in the game?
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
January 18 2014 19:34 GMT
#14982
Have you ever seen someone play him well? He can be devastating in the hands of a skilled player.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
January 18 2014 20:11 GMT
#14983
On January 19 2014 04:34 solidbebe wrote:
Have you ever seen someone play him well? He can be devastating in the hands of a skilled player.


playing him well? He can be miranas little disruption monkey but that is about it.
Even in pro games he seems rather weak compared to other supports, the only reason he gets drafted at all is if all other support heros that have a reliable disable are already banned and you need something to setup a skillshot with.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 18 2014 20:17 GMT
#14984
disruption is one of the best defensive spells in the game
also his amp and his ult are pretty decent
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 18 2014 22:10 GMT
#14985
On January 19 2014 05:17 Dead9 wrote:
disruption is one of the best defensive spells in the game
also his amp and his ult are pretty decent


DK+shadowdemon is good. got 3 dragons. The chinese have used this combo sometimes.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 18 2014 23:45 GMT
#14986
shadow poison was REALLY op when it gave vision of targets back 1-2 patches ago. disruption by itself is good enough of a spell to make him a great support.
:)
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 19 2014 00:58 GMT
#14987
You just never played Shadow Demon midlane.
After your ass will get burn, come again here.

Also he's pretty good situational support.
Not for every comp, but still.
Having this ridiculous slow which is going through bkb, amp damage, free scouting and one of the best save/initiate spells in game isn't definition of most useless hero in the game.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
January 19 2014 01:21 GMT
#14988
Before TI3 SD is one of the first pick/ban heroes of the chinese scene. But due to extremely passive laning phase and his skillset (he has nice amplify, slow and setup but he doesn't offer any utility) he fall drastically. Also Shadow Poison lose his vision 2 patches ago.

He is still usefull. But he can not catch new meta.

I have a question. Probably lots of people asked it but search didn't give me an answer. (No. I'm not lazy. I just couldn't find). Most likely yango knows the answer. If there is a TC and another armor debuff hero on your team what happens? Especially heroes like Venge and Alchemist. How does armor debuff and aura works?
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 19 2014 01:41 GMT
#14989
TC reduces base armor while other armor reductions reduce total armor as a bonus armor modifier which doesn't interact with base armor. So effectively TC's applies first.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 19 2014 02:50 GMT
#14990
What is TC btw?
Probably my mind is fucked at 7 am and can't think properly.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
January 19 2014 03:01 GMT
#14991
TC=Elder Titan. Its an old habit. In DotA his model was Tauren Chieftain.

Btw thx so much yango.
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8915 Posts
January 19 2014 05:52 GMT
#14992
why does wonderful have near 1.3k posts? hes been here less than a month
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
January 19 2014 06:13 GMT
#14993
On January 19 2014 14:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:
why does wonderful have near 1.3k posts? hes been here less than a month

Not dota related, but the answer is spam.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
January 19 2014 06:18 GMT
#14994
TC confused me too when he came out in Dota 2 because I thought everyone was referring to TC the player.
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SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
January 19 2014 08:40 GMT
#14995
On January 19 2014 05:11 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 04:34 solidbebe wrote:
Have you ever seen someone play him well? He can be devastating in the hands of a skilled player.


playing him well? He can be miranas little disruption monkey but that is about it.
Even in pro games he seems rather weak compared to other supports, the only reason he gets drafted at all is if all other support heros that have a reliable disable are already banned and you need something to setup a skillshot with.


Mostly true but he one of the best defensive support that can be used offensive to set up other ability. I think what make him good is that he is a good support for countering some hero because his disruption is so good against some hero such as PL, legion commander and bat rider. His shadow poison is pretty decent for stopping push because it such a good damage spell for such low mana cost. Against some situation where you get pushed up into your rax in 20-30min, shadow poison can be pretty annoying to push into because of it spammability and range/AOE. He used to get picked alot during the bat rider era but once bat rider stop getting pick as much we dont see him as much anymore.

I can some what see how you would think he is weak because he doesnt have the standard slow or stun with him though but I think he probably one of the best defensive support in the game due to his disruption which is more than enough reason to pick him.
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 19 2014 11:01 GMT
#14996
My favorite part about SD is just running under the disruption and blocking the hero in, 5 second stun :D

If you ever get illusion rune at 0:00 with SD, try getting 2 kills in a row on mid, illus last long enough for that and it often straight up wins the game
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 19 2014 11:39 GMT
#14997
On January 19 2014 04:28 idonthinksobro wrote:
is it just me or is shadow demon the most useless hero in all of dota?
the only useful skill is his disruption, everything else is just bad compared to other (support) heros. Why would anyone pick this hero over any other support or hero in the game?

Considering how often and early he was banned before, I'd say he qualifies as a really good support rather than useless. He's been nerfed a bit, but distruption is amazing, his ulti is sick and soul catcher is crazy good for ganking.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
January 19 2014 11:57 GMT
#14998
SD is still an amazing combo support for a roaming duo, and particularly if you get a mid hero that also benefits from a setup.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 19 2014 12:21 GMT
#14999
On January 19 2014 14:52 evilfatsh1t wrote:
why does wonderful have near 1.3k posts? hes been here less than a month


You need to join conversations in LCS threads :D
It's fun.

Ye, thanks, forgot about glorious day of real cow Chieftain.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
January 19 2014 12:45 GMT
#15000
So guides on the internet (whatever their worth is) say that on Io I should max Spirits first followed by Tether and I may or may not get 1 point in Overcharge. However I have been leaving Tether on lvl 1 and maxing Spirits followed by Overcharge. I feel like the buff benefit is more valuable than a 0.5s increase in slow duration. My reasoning is if I am ganking with someone a little longer slow time wont make a difference and damage reduction and atack speed simply seems better for team fights. If in team fights I would have the luxury of just making a gaint circle around the enemy while tethered I would be maxing Tether first.

I want to know what skill build is best.
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