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Dota 2 Strategy Forum Guidelines

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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
September 27 2013 20:45 GMT
#1
Dota 2 Strategy Forum Guidelines


1. Introduction
2. Stickies
3. Rules
4. Guides
5. Other threads




1. Introduction

We are taking a leaf out of our fellow LoL strategy forums' book and revamping the way we approach our own strategy forums. We are starting a system where each hero will have its own dedicated thread. Any guides and discussion regarding the hero should be included as regular posts within the thread. We believe that this system will facilitate easier discussion and access to specific information.

To make navigating through these threads easier, the OP of these threads will act as a Table of Contents, with links to well-written guides or informative posts within or outside the thread. In addition to the Table of Contents, the OP of each hero's thread should ideally have a comprehensive guide to the hero that is of a high standard. For this reason it is imperative that the thread creator is active and stays on top of all new content. Of course, our friendly moderators will help keep these up-to-date, but we want it to be led by you guys, the community.

To shift to the new system, we will need your help to convert existing threads to meet our new format. People who feel their threads and/or guides are of a high standard and are willing put in the effort to convert their threads to the new format should PM either TheYango or Firebolt145 (if we don't already contact you) to discuss this process.



2. Stickies

The TeamLiquid Guide Index
To make it easier to find hero and other discussion threads, this thread will contain a link to all of them in alphabetical order.

Updated 30 second guide to every hero
Just randomed a hero you've never seen before and want a quick and reliable 30 second guide on how to play the hero? This is your resource.

Simple Questions, Simple Answers
If you have a basic question, this is the place to go. Basic questions include:
  • Does Butterfly stack with Backtrack?
  • At what times do Runes spawn?



3. Rules

1) Have a look at what is already there
When looking for information, always start by using the search function. Be creative with your search terms when looking for a particular topic.

2) Be respectful
As with the rest of Team Liquid, respect other posters and treat them the same way you want others to treat you. There’s more than one way to tell someone they are wrong. Be respectful and disprove their ideas – do not simply attack the poster.

3) Let us know if you don't know what you are talking about
Dota 2 has not been completely solved and even the best players don’t know everything. If you are not experienced in a hero or an area of the game, feel free to bring up a new idea or stimulate discussion. However, make it clear that the ideas you’re bringing up are not standard and that you are inexperienced in this area. Also, if you are not experienced in an area, DO NOT give advice. You can ask questions, stimulate discussion, bring up counter points, but your role is not to directly give advice.

4) Keep the forum clean
The goal of this forum is to get advice to those who want it. No one is going to kill you for a funny, slightly off-topic remark, but please keep it to a minimum. Repeated offenders will be given a warning, and then eventually banned from the strategy section.

5) Don't reply in bad threads
If it's clear the original poster hasn't put any effort into his thread, don't reply. This encourages people to follow the correct format and put effort in their threads. These threads will often be closed quickly anyway.

6) Go ahead and bump old threads
If you have a question (or an important comment) that relates to the topic at hand, then bump away! The whole reason for this approach to group everything together and make searching quicker. That being said, if you bump an old thread with “Everyone should read this!” expect to be moderated.



4. Guides

Guides are detailed ‘How to Play’s that should present multiple options to the reader. Guides may include lane strategies, team strategies, or complete hero playstyles. Images/videos regarding how to use skills and items with your hero are a plus.

If your guide is about a hero, preface it with a [Hero] tag. Include your goal in a game, strengths, and weaknesses with detailed descriptions. List the skills your hero has and a skill progression along with an easy to understand description of how to use your skills. When listing skill builds, explain the reasoning for going that route including how to best use them and why they are good or bad. Item builds should have detailed explanations of why this item is most commonly picked up or why it is strong or weak. Situational item and skill builds should have general circumstances listed. Have “what if” scenarios and how to react depending on your team and what your team knows of the enemy. A strong guide addresses all possible circumstances that may happen.

List what heroes your hero is strong against and what heroes it has a hard time with. Include stats about your hero such as its base armor, base damage, base stats, etc. Have a general "how-to" describing laning strategies, ganking strategies, team fight strategies, etc. Explain how this hero is viable in a draft and what allows it to be useful. List item synergies.

Regarding guides involving team strategies and playstyles, make sure to include flaws and counters to this style of play. For example: If enemy team is 5 manning during the midgame and your team is unable to teamfight, give up obviously undefendable towers. Try split pushing and maximize farming jungle to give your team an experience and gold advantage so that they may teamfight in the future.

Find factors that you can take advantage of. Describe ways to characterize enemy playstyle based off of team information. List item purchases that are particularly good against certain playstyles. List possible scenarios and how one person or the team can play around it.

If your guide is about game mechanics, explain in detail how it works and the benefits of using it. A few mechanics can be abused to great benefit with the proper playstyle. If there is math involved, include all the calculations and make sure it is easy to understand and has good readability.

If a part of your guide has been used in competitive games, you can link the VOD/matchID for proof.

We want our Strategy forum to look good and professional. This especially applies to the OP of each thread. Capitalise properly, do not write in shorthand ('u' instead of 'you'), and abbreviate sensibly.
  • Capital letters for hero names. For example: Mirana, Dark Seer, and Magnus.
  • Capital letters for skill and spell names. This includes spells and skills activated by items, as well as passive skills and auras. For example: Finger of Death, Blink, and sheep.
  • Capital letters for items. Abbreviations should be in the same style: BF, ToE, DR. Item nicknames such as “sheepstick” should be lowercase though.

If you feel too unfamiliar with BBCode to design a guide but would still like to write one, you may use the Guide Skeleton provided in the spoiler below. It is also a good way to ensure you have covered all the discussion points of a hero in your guide. Feel free to make any of your own changes.

+ Show Spoiler [Guide Skeleton] +
[b][big][big]Table of Contents[/big][/b][/big]
[url=#introduction]I. Introduction[/url]
[url=#items]II. Item Builds[/url]
[url=#skills]III. Skill Builds[/url]
[url=#gameplay]IV. How to play[/url]
[url=#video]V. Video Guide and VODs[/url]
[url=#conclusion]VI. Conclusion[/url]
[url=#faq]VII. FAQ[/url]
[url=#changelog]VIII. Changelog[/url]

[hr]
[anchor]introduction[/anchor][b][red][big][big]I. Introduction[/big][/red][/b][/big]

[img]Hero Image Here[/img]
[u]Official Bio[/u]
[spoiler]Hero Bio here[/spoiler]
[u]Stats[/u]
[img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/c/c6/Strength_Icon.png[/img][img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/2/23/Strength_Icon_Main.png[/img] [img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/f/f1/Agility_Icon.png[/img][img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/2/23/Agility_Icon_Main.png[/img] [img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/b/b0/Intelligence_Icon.png[/img][img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/8/81/Intelligence_Icon_Main.png[/img] (DELETE AS APPROPRIATE)
[b]23[/b]+2.4 [b]15[/b]+1.5 [b]24[/b]+2.5

[img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/2/2f/Movespeed_Icon.png[/img][img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/c/c8/Armor_Icon.png[/img][img]http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/images/4/42/Damage_Icon.png[/img]
[b]300[/b] ms [b]2.1[/b] armor [b]24-28[/b] base dmg

[u]When should I pick Hero Name?[/u]

[u]When should I [i]not[/i] pick Hero Name?[/u]


[u]Advantages[/u]
-
[u]Disadvantages[/u]
-

[b]Hero Synergy[/b]
[u]Good Allies[/u]
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[u]Bad Enemies[/u]
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[hr]
[url=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Hero Name]Hero Abilities Wiki[/url]

[img]Spell picture[/img]
[b]Spell name[/b]
[i]Legacy: [/i]
Ability description
Mana cost:
Cooldown:
Spell mechanics here (damage, duration, range etc)
[i]Summary of spell here[/i]

[hr]
[img]Spell picture[/img]
[b]Spell name[/b]
[i]Legacy: [/i]
Ability description
Mana cost:
Cooldown:
Spell mechanics here (damage, duration, range etc)
[i]Summary of spell here[/i]

[hr]
[img]Spell picture[/img]
[b]Spell name[/b]
[i]Legacy: [/i]
Ability description
Mana cost:
Cooldown:
Spell mechanics here (damage, duration, range etc)
[i]Summary of spell here[/i]

[hr]
[img]Ultimate picture[/img]
[b]Spell name[/b]
[i]Legacy: [/i]
Ability description
Mana cost:
Cooldown:
Spell mechanics here (damage, duration, range etc)
[i]Summary of spell here[/i]

[url=#1][b][center]Back to top![/b][/center][/url]

[hr]
[anchor]items[/anchor][b][red][big][big]II. Item Builds[/big][/red][/b][/big]

[u]Starting Items[/u]

[hr]
[u]Early game[/u]

[hr]
[u]Boots[/u]

[hr]
[u]Core[/u]

[hr]
[u]Late game[/u]

[hr]
[u]Optional Items[/u]

[hr]
[u]Rejected Items[/u]

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[hr]
[anchor]skills[/anchor][b][red][big][big]III. Skill Builds[/big][/red][/b][/big]

[u]Title of build[/u]
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.
25.

Summary/explanation of skill build here.

[url=#1][b][center]Back to top![/b][/center][/url]

[hr]
[anchor]gameplay[/anchor][big][b][red][big]IV. How to Play[/red][/b][/big][/big]

[u]Jungling[/u]

[u]Laning[/u]

[u]Ganking[/u]

[u]Mid Game[/u]

[u]Late Game[/u]

[u]Teamfights[/u]

[u]Specific situations to look out for[/u]

[url=#1][b][center]Back to top![/b][/center][/url]

[hr]
[anchor]video[/anchor][big][b][red][big]V. Video Guide and VODs[/big][/red][/b][/big]

[url=#1][b][center]Back to top![/b][/center][/url]

[hr]
[anchor]conclusion[/anchor][big][b][red][big]VI. Conclusion[/big][/red][/b][/big]

[url=#1][b][center]Back to top![/b][/center][/url]

[hr]
[anchor]faq[/anchor][big][b][red][big]VII. FAQ[/big][/red][/b][/big]

[url=#1][b][center]Back to top![/b][/center][/url]

[hr]
[anchor]changelog[/anchor][big][b][red][big]VIII. Changelog[/big][/red][/b][/big]

Date - changes

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5. Other threads

For threads that are not directly connected to a specific hero, you may categorize your thread using the following tags:
[D] Discussion threads: Talk about a topic and ask for feedback.
[H] Help threads: Post about your specific situation(s), give your thoughts, and ask what you need help with.
If a thread you wish to create falls under none of these, title it without a tag. Remember that forum etiquette must be followed at all times.

Discussion threads:
Creating a discussion thread:
  • If you would like more in-depth information regarding a game mechanic, make this kind of thread.
  • If there is a certain style regarding heroes, items, or strategies, explain in detail for your topic. There are many ways to play the game, there will be strengths and weaknesses.
  • At least attempt to approach the subject from both sides, detailing the advantages and disadvantages of each side.
  • Remember to back up your posts with proof. There are a lot of exceptions to Dota, be aware of the ones involved in your discussion.

Help threads:
When creating a help thread:
  • Why did I lose? Include a video or matchid available for people to analyze. Be sure to include your opinion on the game.
  • If you need specific advice, explain your circumstances in detail.
  • Remember that you may receive advice that you don’t like hearing. Be open minded when receiving advice.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 20:48:41
September 27 2013 20:46 GMT
#2
An example of what we currently have in mind for [Hero] OP's can be found in my guides:
[Hero] Invoker
[Hero] Lich
[Hero] Luna
[Hero] Batrider

Feel free to discuss or ask questions about this here.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 27 2013 21:02 GMT
#3
i remember some guy asked me to write a ta guide a year ago and i never did
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
September 27 2013 23:47 GMT
#4
Damn, hell yeah.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
September 28 2013 00:53 GMT
#5
I like how the Liquipedia style guided linked here includes a last section full of sc2 lingo, including
"All Strategies receive a '(vs. [RACE])' in the end"

So tomorrow is as good a time as any to rewrite the wreck of a guide I naively wrote and never maintained.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
September 28 2013 01:12 GMT
#6
Well, it only took almost a year after Firebolt told me that there'd be guidelines for Strategy...
ffxiv enjoyer
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
September 28 2013 01:49 GMT
#7
Finally.

I have been waiting for this for a long time, tired of seeing no-effort "guides" with a single video in it.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 06:43:41
September 28 2013 06:43 GMT
#8
im a little confused... is it that theres one "main" thread for each hero and then any subsequent guides for that hero will be posted as a comment? or does the main thread link to all the different guides for that hero
:)
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
September 28 2013 06:44 GMT
#9
On September 28 2013 15:43 synapse wrote:
im a little confused... is it that theres one "main" thread for each hero and then any subsequent guides for that hero will be posted as a comment? or does the main thread link to all the different guides for that hero

One main thread. Subsequent guides posted as comments, with the OP maintaining a list of links to all of those individual comments.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 10:44:32
September 28 2013 10:43 GMT
#10
What's the plan if people don't take it upon themselves to join in on converting their guides to hero discussion threads? Will you take it upon yourselves to set one up and link to existing stuff instead?

What will happen for heroes that have no guides but have discussion threads open (e.g. we've had a ton of discussion on Silencer, but I don't think there's ever been an actual guide posted on TL)? Will there be a generic thread running regardless for discussion of a hero even when there's no specific "this is how you play it" content created for the hero at that point in time?
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 28 2013 11:11 GMT
#11
Defo a neat idea, TL dota2 strategy section will look so good after the revamp!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
September 28 2013 11:23 GMT
#12
Legit question by asha.
There are 100+ heroes and to make a good guide it takes a couple hours or days. Maintaining a thread for all eternity takes effort, too.
I don't think we have enough regularly active members for all heroes if every member takes on 2 heroes.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
September 28 2013 12:09 GMT
#13
There are a couple questions here so I'll try to address them one by one. Please keep in mind that as we move forward we may slightly adjust the way we do things as a lot of this is played by ear.

What's the plan if people don't take it upon themselves to join in on converting their guides to hero discussion threads? Will you take it upon yourselves to set one up and link to existing stuff instead?

One option we have is to wait for someone else to create a thread for this hero, and simply let the old one die or close it. The new thread will then have a link in the OP to the old thread. The second option (and the one I prefer) is similar to what they do for fan clubs on TL - should the original thread creator become inactive, moderators can simply pass ownership of the thread to a new volunteer.

What will happen for heroes that have no guides but have discussion threads open (e.g. we've had a ton of discussion on Silencer, but I don't think there's ever been an actual guide posted on TL)? Will there be a generic thread running regardless for discussion of a hero even when there's no specific "this is how you play it" content created for the hero at that point in time?

Should the creator of the discussion thread be willing to maintain an OP to our standards, we will leave it to him. Once a guide of a good enough standard is written for that hero, we can talk about whether we should pass ownership of the thread to the guide writer if he is willing, or whether we should simply let the thread creator paste a copy into the OP and give credit to the writer.

If there is no thread currently up for discussing a hero, feel free to create one if you feel you can maintain the OP, or use the SA/SQ thread for now until someone else creates it.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 28 2013 17:36 GMT
#14
On September 28 2013 21:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
What will happen for heroes that have no guides but have discussion threads open (e.g. we've had a ton of discussion on Silencer, but I don't think there's ever been an actual guide posted on TL)? Will there be a generic thread running regardless for discussion of a hero even when there's no specific "this is how you play it" content created for the hero at that point in time?

Should the creator of the discussion thread be willing to maintain an OP to our standards, we will leave it to him. Once a guide of a good enough standard is written for that hero, we can talk about whether we should pass ownership of the thread to the guide writer if he is willing, or whether we should simply let the thread creator paste a copy into the OP and give credit to the writer.

If there is no thread currently up for discussing a hero, feel free to create one if you feel you can maintain the OP, or use the SA/SQ thread for now until someone else creates it.

it's funny i actually meant to write a silencer guide and i thought it would be interesting to get TL opinions on him beforehand
:)
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
September 28 2013 20:31 GMT
#15
i might do some work on a Broodmother guide

One of my favorite heros, though i don't get to play her much
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 05:11:48
September 29 2013 04:14 GMT
#16
Question:-

I have been working on a Tiny guide. A search shows that there was one already made previously by someone else

What should I do to conform to this guidelines? Can there be 2 guides? That guide in particular has things that I disagree with such as a lack of Blink dagger for example, and the skill builds.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
September 29 2013 04:37 GMT
#17
On September 29 2013 13:14 Mithhaike wrote:
Question:-

I have been working on a Tiny guide. A search shows that there was one already made previously by someone else already.

What should I do to conform to this guidelines? Can there be 2 guides? That guide in particular has things that I disagree with such as a lack of Blink dagger for example, and the skill builds.

If you look at that guide, it was created by a 3-post user who hasn't posted out of that thread and not since March. It's clear that he won't be maintaining any big OP's any time soon, and we'd happily give you the responsibility of maintaining a Tiny thread and close his thread.

That said, I skimmed through his guide and it seems decent for covering a carry Tiny. For that reason, when you create your OP, you would have a link under 'Guides' to his guide and give it the description of 'Guide to Pure Carry Tiny' or something along those lines.
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 14:02:17
October 02 2013 14:00 GMT
#18
Will I have to move my Spirit Breaker guide into a subsequent thread or is that going to be done for me?

Edit: I should probably read threads before posting in them.
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
October 03 2013 00:56 GMT
#19
On September 29 2013 13:37 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 13:14 Mithhaike wrote:
Question:-

I have been working on a Tiny guide. A search shows that there was one already made previously by someone else already.

What should I do to conform to this guidelines? Can there be 2 guides? That guide in particular has things that I disagree with such as a lack of Blink dagger for example, and the skill builds.

If you look at that guide, it was created by a 3-post user who hasn't posted out of that thread and not since March. It's clear that he won't be maintaining any big OP's any time soon, and we'd happily give you the responsibility of maintaining a Tiny thread and close his thread.

That said, I skimmed through his guide and it seems decent for covering a carry Tiny. For that reason, when you create your OP, you would have a link under 'Guides' to his guide and give it the description of 'Guide to Pure Carry Tiny' or something along those lines.


Not bad. Sounds like it'd be handled well.

I look forward to the new forum.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-15 21:12:25
April 15 2014 21:09 GMT
#20
I don't know where the best place was to ask thing, but could we consider adding set "role" threads in addition to the dedicated hero threads (with a corresponding set of rules/restrictions on those threads) ?

I know roles are pretty flexible in DotA, but there's still some close enough classifications (i.e. Mid, Carry, Support) where maybe a set of topics could be created to discuss those threads with a similar styling to our Hero threads? I'd personally love one central thread where I could read up on things entirely related to playing mid (or offlane, or support, or carry). Right now I find that information to be some of the hardest to find on these forums and tends to be scattered in the SQSA thread, hero threads, or the loose Guide/Discussion threads. Having some directed discussion that is less focused on heroes and more on larger choices for those roles seems like it would be helpful and different from existing discussions.
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