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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 29 2014 20:58 GMT
#861
Well... in an interview Vanskor said Fng behaved too childish, if everyone else thinks so then he will be leaving I guess.

Also, today is not a good day for NaVi or so it seems.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 29 2014 21:02 GMT
#862
On October 30 2014 05:58 Racket wrote:
Well... in an interview Vanskor said Fng behaved too childish, if everyone else thinks so then he will be leaving I guess.

Also, today is not a good day for NaVi or so it seems.

I did not know that. If such talk is already going out then FNG's days are clearly numbered.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 29 2014 21:06 GMT
#863
On October 30 2014 06:02 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2014 05:58 Racket wrote:
Well... in an interview Vanskor said Fng behaved too childish, if everyone else thinks so then he will be leaving I guess.

Also, today is not a good day for NaVi or so it seems.

I did not know that. If such talk is already going out then FNG's days are clearly numbered.


If I am not mistaken this is the interview I saw:

FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 29 2014 23:17 GMT
#864
On October 30 2014 06:06 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2014 06:02 FHDH wrote:
On October 30 2014 05:58 Racket wrote:
Well... in an interview Vanskor said Fng behaved too childish, if everyone else thinks so then he will be leaving I guess.

Also, today is not a good day for NaVi or so it seems.

I did not know that. If such talk is already going out then FNG's days are clearly numbered.


If I am not mistaken this is the interview I saw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nnwYvWvWuX0

OK, I guess I don't read that as being aggressive more just acknowledging what anyone who sees FNG can see: he's a kid. And few people put in his shoes at his age and his level of relative stature could pull off truly leading this team. Also basically confirming my fears about his draft strategy, being, "make players happy." That's now how you draft.

I mean you don't go "keep giving SingSing Jakiro and Venomancer" but you have to draft to win.

Anyway, Sad few days to be a Na'Vi fan.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
October 29 2014 23:37 GMT
#865
i think dendi is overextending himself to try to solo carry the team and as a result making mistakes and playing poorly.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
October 30 2014 00:32 GMT
#866
I still think Dendi, Xboct and Funnik have the potential to be the best cores of any team in the world. The problem is getting them to play to their potential, and whatever is going on with the team right now isn't facilitating that. Doesn't help that neither of the supports are as good as them in skill.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 30 2014 00:40 GMT
#867
On October 30 2014 08:37 trifecta wrote:
i think dendi is overextending himself to try to solo carry the team and as a result making mistakes and playing poorly.

I watched the last 4 Summit games (only ticket I have right now) from Dendi's perspective. Granted, the first two were on TA and mid TA is a monster in general what to speak of in Dendi's hands, but today I saw two things. First, he was sloppier than he had to be mid, not just because the matchup was hard at points but actually missed CS etc that he normally would not have. Same thing on SF. And other uncharacteristic errors like that. The second was that past about midway, in the clinkz game, when a teamfight broke out he spent pretty much the entire time on the periphery seeing if he could do anything...and then would either just take off or go "fuck it" (pretty sure he was on tilt past a certain point).

It's been beaten to death but they really let that game go by not exercising their strategy, and then they got to the point they needed a lucky break to have even a chance and it just did not come their way. So those are some specific observations.

As for what you're saying...I think that's just Dendi. That's why you put him on playmaking heroes because it's hard to fight his instinct to make plays. Either way, if the rest of the team is not getting it done he's going to try to be superman and unfortunately it does not always work out.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 03:03:21
October 30 2014 01:15 GMT
#868
Well, besides the bad games today, they are giving Dendi farming heroes, which is a sing they are looking at the meta with another set of eyes

Its pretty obvious there's something going inside NaVi, they had some shaky games when the line up appeared but after that they started to show great progress but the last few days, none of it shows, its like they went back to square 1 after being on square 3-4 (with the new line up)
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 30 2014 07:52 GMT
#869
On October 30 2014 08:17 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2014 06:06 Racket wrote:
On October 30 2014 06:02 FHDH wrote:
On October 30 2014 05:58 Racket wrote:
Well... in an interview Vanskor said Fng behaved too childish, if everyone else thinks so then he will be leaving I guess.

Also, today is not a good day for NaVi or so it seems.

I did not know that. If such talk is already going out then FNG's days are clearly numbered.


If I am not mistaken this is the interview I saw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nnwYvWvWuX0

OK, I guess I don't read that as being aggressive more just acknowledging what anyone who sees FNG can see: he's a kid. And few people put in his shoes at his age and his level of relative stature could pull off truly leading this team. Also basically confirming my fears about his draft strategy, being, "make players happy." That's now how you draft.

I mean you don't go "keep giving SingSing Jakiro and Venomancer" but you have to draft to win.

Anyway, Sad few days to be a Na'Vi fan.


I never read it aggressive, I just repeated what he said.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
October 30 2014 08:58 GMT
#870
On October 30 2014 02:58 mawerick_mc wrote:
in this interview:

(i know, Ukrainian is not for everyone, ask in youtube comments for English Subs, as the interviewer speaks it flawlessly)

At 12:03 V1lat answers that he thinks NaVi will change roster, at least one guy probably as soon as after SLTV Season X that ended. He mentioned that he is guessing, but knowing his close insights with NaVi organization i would say there is a real chance to see someone drop from the team.

What would be your bet, who would NaVi look up to drop and whom could they pick in it's place to keep all Russian speaking team?

my bet: no freaking clue, will try to think about it...

Wow this might be my first time listening to Ukrainian, and it's the strangest thing ever... I think I should understand things, but I can't understand anything can't wait for it to be translated or something...
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
October 30 2014 12:23 GMT
#871
On October 30 2014 09:40 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2014 08:37 trifecta wrote:
i think dendi is overextending himself to try to solo carry the team and as a result making mistakes and playing poorly.

I watched the last 4 Summit games (only ticket I have right now) from Dendi's perspective. Granted, the first two were on TA and mid TA is a monster in general what to speak of in Dendi's hands, but today I saw two things. First, he was sloppier than he had to be mid, not just because the matchup was hard at points but actually missed CS etc that he normally would not have. Same thing on SF. And other uncharacteristic errors like that. The second was that past about midway, in the clinkz game, when a teamfight broke out he spent pretty much the entire time on the periphery seeing if he could do anything...and then would either just take off or go "fuck it" (pretty sure he was on tilt past a certain point).

It's been beaten to death but they really let that game go by not exercising their strategy, and then they got to the point they needed a lucky break to have even a chance and it just did not come their way. So those are some specific observations.

As for what you're saying...I think that's just Dendi. That's why you put him on playmaking heroes because it's hard to fight his instinct to make plays. Either way, if the rest of the team is not getting it done he's going to try to be superman and unfortunately it does not always work out.

If you've watched Dendi's how to play solo mid video, he mentions that players are doing a lot of other things like watching the minimap and communicating with their team, so they will not play flawlessly. And Dendi's post ti4 interview he mentioned something about different ways of practicing.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 16:43:33
October 30 2014 16:19 GMT
#872
So apparently someone who's known to be reliable (no idea who he is though) said Fng was about to get kicked for sure.

Reddit post
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
October 30 2014 18:03 GMT
#873
Welp, NaVi is out of LA

While this is an obviously a bad result, i hope they use it to rest, workout their problems and comeback stronger than before
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 30 2014 18:37 GMT
#874
Is NaVi out of The Summit or do they play to see who is left out?
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 30 2014 18:37 GMT
#875
On October 31 2014 03:37 Racket wrote:
Is NaVi out of The Summit or do they play to see who is left out?

They're out. They lost to both PR and VPP so they're out on tiebreaks.
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caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
October 30 2014 19:03 GMT
#876
On October 31 2014 03:03 Faruko wrote:
Welp, NaVi is out of LA

While this is an obviously a bad result, i hope they use it to rest, workout their problems and comeback stronger than before


Well, they still have a chance at the redemption team, where people who bought the compendium will choose a team. BUT, i doubt they will get it. On EU, TT is already out as well, and i think they are a bit more popular. C9 is prob more popular as well. Secret is without doubt more popular. But this doesnt matter at all, cause a chinese team will win it anyway.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 19:24:22
October 30 2014 19:11 GMT
#877
No one is more popular than Na'Vi, maybe Chinese teams excluded because lol population of China (idk). That doesn't guarantee they will win the redemption pick (which I did not know about, thanks) but yeah.

[e]

If you've watched Dendi's how to play solo mid video, he mentions that players are doing a lot of other things like watching the minimap and communicating with their team, so they will not play flawlessly. And Dendi's post ti4 interview he mentioned something about different ways of practicing.

Eh. I was watching his player perspective and during the initial laning phase he is pretty damned focused on the lane and usually basics like CS are impeccable. During the first few minutes he often is not looking literally anywhere else than at his hero in lane, maybe with the very brief exception of the courier. I've watched many hours of his stream and I will say some times his camera is borderline-manic even during this phase but that has not been the case.

Hell wasn't XBOCT quoted earlier in this thread saying for dendi only midlane and two runes exist?
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 19:12:45
October 30 2014 19:12 GMT
#878
well, what really matters (for being the redemption team) is popularity among summit bundle buyers, which I'd assume is a fairly skewed audience.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
October 30 2014 19:30 GMT
#879
On October 31 2014 04:11 FHDH wrote:
Eh. I was watching his player perspective and during the initial laning phase he is pretty damned focused on the lane and usually basics like CS are impeccable. During the first few minutes he often is not looking literally anywhere else than at his hero in lane, maybe with the very brief exception of the courier. I've watched many hours of his stream and I will say some times his camera is borderline-manic even during this phase but that has not been the case.

Hell wasn't XBOCT quoted earlier in this thread saying for dendi only midlane and two runes exist?


Tbh I'd be surprised if this weren't the case for most mid players, especially in this era where the role is very farm/CS-oriented. Teammates telling you about possible gank attempts + keeping a close look on the minimap should be enough.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 30 2014 20:21 GMT
#880
On October 31 2014 04:30 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 04:11 FHDH wrote:
Eh. I was watching his player perspective and during the initial laning phase he is pretty damned focused on the lane and usually basics like CS are impeccable. During the first few minutes he often is not looking literally anywhere else than at his hero in lane, maybe with the very brief exception of the courier. I've watched many hours of his stream and I will say some times his camera is borderline-manic even during this phase but that has not been the case.

Hell wasn't XBOCT quoted earlier in this thread saying for dendi only midlane and two runes exist?


Tbh I'd be surprised if this weren't the case for most mid players, especially in this era where the role is very farm/CS-oriented. Teammates telling you about possible gank attempts + keeping a close look on the minimap should be enough.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's wrong I'm saying on Clinkz game especially he was looking sloppy despite his apparent focus on the lane.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
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