I think they are far better compared with axmo imo, they seem a lot more coordinated and all of them are playing decently well, dendi started to play more farming mids and he is already good with the space making ones

2 of the problems were, the weird unnecesary deaths and general hero pool, they need to keep playing and training, hopefully they can get to those 2 lans and use it as experience.

Racket

3023 Posts

February 07 2016 16:55 GMT

#3242

Well, they seem to have a more clear plan, they take a lot of towers and of course they are picking strong pushing heroes but nonetheless it is a change and a good one because it is a step forward, they are trying things they didn't do before and they are, more or less, succeding.
In the end I feel this is growth in the sense they are expanding their strategy pool and they are doing it against teams that allow for mistakes to go unpunished, that is bad in general but it is good for them as they don't get to unmotivated if they fail four times in a row against EG, LGD or VP.
I would like to see how they execute their former strategies right now.

Also, DityaRa is carrying their asses so bad, it is his job and he is doing it very well, I like it. I also like seeing Dendi play heroes they refused so bad to play before and winning games with it.
I think Sonneiko is a better position four than ArtStyle but on the other hand I believe ArtStyle is a better position four than a five so I guess the exchange is for the better.
GeneRaL is doing quite allright, the enemy teams have better bans to focus on and it seems he will be able to play whatever he likes so far.

For NaVi to end up first in DotaPit LC needs to lose or draw against Vega and NaVi win against 99%, if LC were to win every match left for them NaVi would tie in points with them and lose the spot given they lost 2-0.
WePlay is two way bo1s so as long as they win every game left to play they end up first.

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

February 07 2016 17:00 GMT

#3243

On February 08 2016 01:55 Racket wrote:
Well, they seem to have a more clear plan, they take a lot of towers and of course they are picking strong pushing heroes but nonetheless it is a change and a good one because it is a step forward, they are trying things they didn't do before and they are, more or less, succeding.
In the end I feel this is growth in the sense they are expanding their strategy pool and they are doing it against teams that allow for mistakes to go unpunished, that is bad in general but it is good for them as they don't get to unmotivated if they fail four times in a row against EG, LGD or VP.
I would like to see how they execute their former strategies right now.

Also, DityaRa is carrying their asses so bad, it is his job and he is doing it very well, I like it. I also like seeing Dendi play heroes they refused so bad to play before and winning games with it.
I think Sonneiko is a better position four than ArtStyle but on the other hand I believe ArtStyle is a better position four than a five so I guess the exchange is for the better.
GeneRaL is doing quite allright, the enemy teams have better bans to focus on and it seems he will be able to play whatever he likes so far.

For NaVi to end up first in DotaPit LC needs to lose or draw against Vega and NaVi win against 99%, if LC were to win every match left for them NaVi would tie in points with them and lose the spot given they lost 2-0.
WePlay is two way bo1s so as long as they win every game left to play they end up first.

Realistically just have to root for Vega to win 1 game against LC, and I think that is reasonable to expect.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

February 07 2016 19:33 GMT

#3244

Still looking for Navi to draft more dual cores. Single core drafts are sooooooo vulnerable!

Faruko

Chile34173 Posts

February 07 2016 20:22 GMT

#3245

yeah, they did well with dendi going for farming mids

i think offlaner took a step back into farming more but im not sure how general is on farming heroes

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

February 07 2016 21:39 GMT

#3246

On February 08 2016 05:22 Faruko wrote:
yeah, they did well with dendi going for farming mids

i think offlaner took a step back into farming more but im not sure how general is on farming heroes

He used to play mid so farming shouldn't be a problem. The shaker play was pretty good, just single core spectre got too far behind, wasn't like Sven where he could power farm hard.

Bisu-Fan

Russian Federation3339 Posts

February 07 2016 21:48 GMT

#3247

Yeah i think General's shaker was actually really impressive with his spacing. Did all he could, but single core is hard especially when there's a venge on the other side of a bat mid.

Agreed that Artstyle is probably a better 4 than 5, and Sonneiko isn't doing terribly as a 5.
Hope they don't tilt, as mindset is more than half the battle for Na'Vi

Racket

3023 Posts

February 08 2016 07:13 GMT

#3248

On February 08 2016 06:39 the bear jew wrote:

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He used to play mid so farming shouldn't be a problem. The shaker play was pretty good, just single core spectre got too far behind, wasn't like Sven where he could power farm hard.

Yea, and a Sven can two shot a Slark easily where a Spectre has to be lucky to kill him before he can escape, at least for the first 45 minutes. I didn't like the draft but oh well... at least they are doing this while at the top instead of middle. They could lose both spots anyway so I wouldn't give so much space.

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

February 13 2016 15:06 GMT

#3249

So Navi beat Ad Finem 2-1 yesterday, game they dropped was vs OD and bounty hunter, 2 heroes they seem to have some trouble with. Game 1 and game 3 were pretty good overall.

I'm gonna take for ESL Manilla qualifiers, Navi over Vega 2-1 though I can see it going either way and LC over Empire. LC seems the most dangerous, they are playing well and doing unusual things. Like the mid broodmother 2 games in a row and two wins.

Still waiting to see if they qualify for Dota pit, need to root for Vega vs LC and Navi to beat 99%

Bisu-Fan

Russian Federation3339 Posts

February 13 2016 15:12 GMT

#3250

Best thing from yesterday's games I think was that Na'Vi won without a face rushing lineup. They farmed and outplayed their opponents which is a playstyle we haven't seem from Na'Vi with General.

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

February 13 2016 15:20 GMT

#3251

On February 14 2016 00:12 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Best thing from yesterday's games I think was that Na'Vi won without a face rushing lineup. They farmed and outplayed their opponents which is a playstyle we haven't seem from Na'Vi with General.

General had from what I remember overall had good games. Dendi was impressive on Tiny game 3. Relatively good play but I feel they need to either learn to win with OD and Bounty, and soinneko historically good with bounty but I guess they are prioritizing chen/enchantress for Artstyle for the roaming support, which does push harder, Or keep banning them.

I wonder why they don't pick OD for Dendi, he used to play it. Maybe cause the gold requirements for OD and they tend to still like putting Dendi on a space maker that can scale and let Dityra power farm.

wims80

1892 Posts

February 13 2016 15:29 GMT

#3252

EDIT: Wrong thread

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

February 13 2016 23:46 GMT

#3253

Navi need to learn to play against bounty. So many times I see them crumbling because of unnecessary track feeds.

Also against ad finem art style had such a bad series. Notably the first blood in game 2. He knew he was scouted by bounty in game 2, yet he still went deep to man fight od. Yes he probably would have killed od 1v1, but it was a very low percentage play which gave bounty first blood plus exp.

EnumaAvalon

Philippines3613 Posts

February 14 2016 21:13 GMT

#3254

They lost one against 99% but still qualified! Congrats boys!