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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
PPD did a WCA commentary thing from a team that decided to not go. Basically questioning why the scene knew WCA was going to be bad, but all decided to go, and it ended up being bad. Says players/teams need to come together and work with tournaments to get better tournament standards. For some reason this is controversal on reddit because they still hate PPD. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On December 24 2015 03:08 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean teams like leviathan are going to go to tournaments that offer that kind of cash regardless of potentially poor circumstances. Teams like secret are just morons whats new. EE is arguing with PPD without actually addressing any points atm, but from what I can tell: EE thinks circumstances will improve just by voicing complaints while still going to bad tournaments PPD thinks leveraging the attendance of top teams to force better conditions is the better path If top teams demand conditions or no attendance, WCA won't sustain off of China + Random t2 teams. Other Chinese tournaments will get the t1 western teams + chinese teams and investments will go towards them instead. Both are going toward the same goal on different paths. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
The "arguing" over twitter seems to be because PPD says EE was shitting on WCA already last year when he didn't really single them out as a terrible tournament. For example he criticized Summit 2 pretty hard and even mentioned EG being mad about the event back then, it doesn't mean that teams will automatically boycott it. From my perspective the way the qualifiers were so spread out and how we only knew what teams were going to be attending like 1 week before the event made the event seem very questionable. And it also seems that at least in EG's eyes the organizers didn't seem competent at all when they talked to them which was a big red flag. But still I can see why from a player perspective you would go when you experienced an event that wasn't all bad by any means, you hope they are improving, and the prize pool is rather big. | ||
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Voronoff
United States302 Posts
On December 24 2015 04:35 lolnoty wrote: If top teams demand conditions or no attendance, WCA won't sustain off of China + Random t2 teams. Other Chinese tournaments will get the t1 western teams + chinese teams and investments will go towards them instead. They aren't even going to be getting t1 Chinese teams. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On December 24 2015 07:04 Voronoff wrote: They aren't even going to be getting t1 Chinese teams. Are there even any T1 Chinese teams? /azarkon | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On December 24 2015 07:04 Voronoff wrote: They aren't even going to be getting t1 Chinese teams. funnily enough neither of the current t1 chinese teams (vg, ehome) qualified for the event, which was held all the way back before ti5 with teams of different rosters. however if i remember correctly vg was supposed to replace a team but they chose not to and as a result vg got fined by ace.  | ||
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scorpkx
Australia19 Posts
most of the video focused on discussing why EG didn't go WCA and what EG expected would happen if they went and at the end of the day EG was right. ppd has been taking a shit on t2-t3 american teams since TI4 so this is nothing new. PJSalt is back and i am glad. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
And I don't know who even is getting super upset and complaining about it publicly. EE has hardly said anything for example, Sunsfan etc. just talked about the event on their own show. Envy seems to be writing something but idk what he is going to be saying. PPD's sentiment that teams should not go to events they know are bad is fine. Whether that should have applied to WCA based on last year is a bit questionable. But idk what the parts talking about people getting super upset are even about. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On December 24 2015 07:40 Birdie wrote: Are there even any T1 Chinese teams? /azarkon Classic. Yeah, I'm a little confused on what PPD is even trying to say. "Don't complain if you go to an event that's likely to be bad"? Well sure, if people were saying "Oh woe is me, my life is awful, how could I have avoided this?" then that'd be fair enough. Maybe that is what people are doing in private. But as far as I can tell, complaints have been more "This was awful", not "This was awful and I had no way of knowing." If people were begging for sympathy then PPD would be fairly reasonable, but if they're just talking about their experience and saying how it could be improved and so on - what's the issue? The community is interested so people are talking about it. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 24 2015 23:40 FuzzyJAM wrote: Classic. Yeah, I'm a little confused on what PPD is even trying to say. "Don't complain if you go to an event that's likely to be bad"? Well sure, if people were saying "Oh woe is me, my life is awful, how could I have avoided this?" then that'd be fair enough. Maybe that is what people are doing in private. But as far as I can tell, complaints have been more "This was awful", not "This was awful and I had no way of knowing." If people were begging for sympathy then PPD would be fairly reasonable, but if they're just talking about their experience and saying how it could be improved and so on - what's the issue? The community is interested so people are talking about it. I believe the point is, if you know it's going to be awful, go anyway, and it really is that awful, then maybe you should be proactively doing something to stop tournament organizers from being awful. That's assuming the end goal is to stop tournaments from being poorly run, and not just complaining on twitter. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On December 24 2015 23:40 FuzzyJAM wrote: Classic. Yeah, I'm a little confused on what PPD is even trying to say. "Don't complain if you go to an event that's likely to be bad"? Well sure, if people were saying "Oh woe is me, my life is awful, how could I have avoided this?" then that'd be fair enough. Maybe that is what people are doing in private. But as far as I can tell, complaints have been more "This was awful", not "This was awful and I had no way of knowing." If people were begging for sympathy then PPD would be fairly reasonable, but if they're just talking about their experience and saying how it could be improved and so on - what's the issue? The community is interested so people are talking about it. i think the issue is that EVERYONE knew that WCA was gonna to be poorly runned and they still went. its different than if someone went to MLG or the summit and it happened to be bad (ie not expected). i know last year they had a lot of complaints at WCA as well. its like saying you know the stove is hot and yet u still stuck your hand on it. | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
the love story version still the best | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Good group of teams though so will be nice to see what strats they are using in the new patch. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Star_Ladder_Star_Series/Season_13 | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On January 06 2016 19:07 Pandemona wrote: 7 days to go until EG back in action!! Not liking StarLadder format though with 6 man groups bo1 crap! But oh well a lan is a lan. Good group of teams though so will be nice to see what strats they are using in the new patch. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Star_Ladder_Star_Series/Season_13 Great! EG games are too rare imo I didnt think EG played in StarLadder anymore, what changed? Or am I just wrong? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Dreaming of Universe Faceless Void games <3 | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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goody153
44282 Posts
he literally posts a video almost everyday for awhile now | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
it just happens that i like this team too, pls don't lose to the same team PLS + Show Spoiler [EG exclusive twitchchat screenshot] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rydt6ld.jpg?1) | ||
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