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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 22:07:55
May 10 2019 22:01 GMT
#4301
Such a nailbiter, but the bois prevailed! Tomorrow the ultimate test, Secret is looking very strong right now :O

BLEED BLUE
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
May 10 2019 22:09 GMT
#4302
BLEED BLUE

Sumail popping off against a PPD team is always never in doubt it seems. Morph game 1 was INSANE, then the game 3 Pony game even with a tilt buyback he was able to gather this huge farm and go ham at the end.
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
May 11 2019 18:48 GMT
#4303
omgggg that was so close xD let's win lower bracket and rematch in the finals!
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
May 12 2019 10:38 GMT
#4304
Games vrs Secret were great! Looked like the two best teams right now.
Please beat a refreshed Liquid for a rematch Grand Final
Bleed Blue!!
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
type_Zero_00
Profile Joined August 2017
21 Posts
May 12 2019 12:48 GMT
#4305
it's a big blow by liquid in lower bracket
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-12 12:50:31
May 12 2019 12:50 GMT
#4306
It's time to rename EG to Evil Third Place.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
May 12 2019 12:51 GMT
#4307
3rd again, Liquid came in prepared and much improved from the earlier stages of the tournament. Sad to see the bois go out like that, but top3 is top3. I wouldn't mind less predictable drafts from Bulba tho :/
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
May 12 2019 12:51 GMT
#4308
That was a drafting issue more than anything. Bulba just reverses to those predictable picks again.
Bodhi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States180 Posts
May 13 2019 02:38 GMT
#4309
Third at TI is still $2.5+ million for team
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
May 13 2019 12:36 GMT
#4310
What I find disappointing is that EG, while playing extremely solid, mechanically skilled dota, rarely seem to have those flashes of brilliance in drafts or individual plays when playing against the best. They can style on weaker teams, sure, but it won't be enough to win TI :/
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 13 2019 13:28 GMT
#4311
in a BO5 they'd take 2 games surely, but there's something to be learned from those drafts.
that's why it's disappointing to be an EG fan IMO.

they also play against stronger teams like they do against weaker ones, and it nearly works.
just a shame that it goes down that way.
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ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
May 13 2019 13:41 GMT
#4312
On May 13 2019 21:36 PoulsenB wrote:
What I find disappointing is that EG, while playing extremely solid, mechanically skilled dota, rarely seem to have those flashes of brilliance in drafts or individual plays when playing against the best. They can style on weaker teams, sure, but it won't be enough to win TI :/


If we want to win TI, Bulba needs to bring in the cheesy picks.

RTZ, Sumail, and S4 have one of the deepest hero pools of any current teams, so just sticking to the formulaic picks doesn't make sense to me. We went toe-to-toe with Secret using the off-meta picks.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-13 16:27:01
May 13 2019 13:51 GMT
#4313
Other teams are not really afraid of EG cheesing them with something unorthodox, EG doesn't play Brood or Meepo, they stopped using meme push strats long ago. Picking meta heroes will not work if everyone knows they'll pick them and prepares accordingly. I miss the days of Sumail's mid Shaker and AA, RTZ Visage and Veno, or even Ursa

edit: or even Cr1t's Tusk. i don't think he played Tusk this tournament. Same with Fly's Phoenix.
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melkor3
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria50 Posts
May 13 2019 16:39 GMT
#4314
I really like EG‘s consistency over the year. They stayed top 3. It‘s only a matter of time until they will win a Major or TI.
The One and Only
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
May 13 2019 17:22 GMT
#4315
Sumail picked up Brood last year. I don't know if he's staying in practice but he definitely knew the hero

Rtz has a lot of Meepo experience as well; last time there was an inhouse league he played nothing but that. Of course, as his Ember shows, winning with it outside tournaments is different from in tournaments, but if they wanted to press the issue they could

I think they just don't like relying on that type of hero. It's not in their "way of thinking about dota" as the players and coaches always talk about
ChickenDieAlive
Profile Joined September 2015
699 Posts
May 13 2019 19:59 GMT
#4316
On May 14 2019 01:39 melkor3 wrote:
I really like EG‘s consistency over the year. They stayed top 3. It‘s only a matter of time until they will win a Major or TI.


EG players mechanical skills and execution are top notches, so they almost always stay top 3. The stable draft helps, since against weaker teams, skill and execution can win you games consistently.

But I feel EG needs a little twist in the draft be the champion. It's really hard to win against teams like Secret by outplaying them alone.

The little twist can be like picking off-meta heroes like Wind Ranger or Lycan. I think EG is capable of executing NP+Lycan+Chen meme push. It doesn't need to be Meepo or Brood.
ironcell
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1127 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-13 21:26:23
May 13 2019 21:24 GMT
#4317
I think that at this point that they (Bulba + Fly especially) are aware of their own consistentency and predictable drafting, I remember VP coach saying the same thing. But think it for a second, what if you wait to cheese in the later stage of TI, said
from quarterfinals onwards. What if you decide to cheese in a winner bracket or lower bracket finals? What if you come with 2 to 3 very prepared cheese drafts right there? Remember EG never cheeses, is a top team mechanics wise, but it NEVER cheeses, at everybody knows that... And you bet on that on purpose, a very long con. Or maybe they want to prove themselves that they are so good that even if you see their plan coming you cant stop them, kinda a Chinese team or VP when it get rolling (LOL).
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
May 14 2019 18:39 GMT
#4318
By the way Sumail is just playing a pub game as Broodmother. Maybe they will try indeed a new approach in order to finally break their "curse".
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-14 18:52:45
May 14 2019 18:50 GMT
#4319
it's so funny that bulba intentionally gets into games against his players and picks hard counters to their heroes lmao

I guess it's supposed to be anti-tilt training combined with learning how to play in bad circumstances
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
May 15 2019 10:37 GMT
#4320
I also am not that concerned about 3rd place again, they were literally 2 smoke ganks away from winning Secret in the upper bracket finals remember! They were so far ahead but two smoke ganks from Secret which were perfect (and sumail getting trapped on the cliff!!!!) meant they got wiped twice and lost the game. Without those two ganks EG were miles ahead.
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