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Dil3mma
Profile Joined May 2014
China33 Posts
May 29 2014 12:36 GMT
#221
I think, there are several political issues untouched in the scene.

Yes, the Racism, everyone knows, Racism is bad, so get the pitchforks, but that many casters & players are living a Sexism live on Stream is accepted.

Many things should be discussed in general, not only Racism!
Geoshin
Profile Joined May 2014
1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 12:37:03
May 29 2014 12:36 GMT
#222
I hope they get booed at TI. I had respect for LGD's Xiao8 (even though he was the one who kicked ZSMJ(?)) but after this, it is too hard to support someone like him and his racist teammates Hao and the Banana guy.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
May 29 2014 12:37 GMT
#223
So let's hope this turns out to be a misunderstanding, and iG just decided to stop scrimming with DK for their own reasons. I like how Lanm is handling this, good post.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
son1dow
Profile Joined May 2009
Lithuania322 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 12:41:17
May 29 2014 12:37 GMT
#224
This is very weird. Some people saying it's common practice to do this, and many confirming it is happening and has happening many times before. Others are swearing on their families they wouldn't do it ever and apologizing profusely after accusations.

Is it normal for Chinese to excuse themselves so shamelessly after something blows up like this on social networks?

Edit: My post is out of date. Don't read it.

Conclusions: We're leaving having learned a bit about the shady practice of chinese dota, and also that newbee's twitter poster should be out a job.
Play more Quake.
Kirsed
Profile Joined May 2013
9380 Posts
May 29 2014 12:38 GMT
#225
Drama is dead boys move along.

https://www.facebook.com/mushichai/posts/683486678385969

Regarding the post earlier, the team admin would like to apologise to all the people out there. That post was post without the knowledge of Mushi himself. Our admin posted because before this incident happen, we heard a lot of rumours that start to boycott Team DK. As a fren and also a fan We are pissed off regarding this matter. We hereby say that we are sorry for any inconvenience cause to anyone. Mushi himself will post regarding this matter soon.
Sorry and thank you once again.
*Admin posting on behalf on Mushi.
P/S: Mushi is playing basketball right now
Monv18hao
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada627 Posts
May 29 2014 12:39 GMT
#226
On May 29 2014 21:32 Monv18hao wrote:
Newest update from Lanm
Tweet reads: "The cause for all this is because we heard that director 8 told other teams not to scrim with DK (Ever since SL9, IG clearly was no longer practicing with us and afterwards the situation with NB is like in image 2. [T/N: Image 2 is Lanm/DK messaging NB almost everyday in the past week asking if they were practicing, but not getting a response] Because of all this there were mushi and burning's posts. If it is how xiao8 says it is like in image 5, then we are willing to believe this is all a misunderstanding"

Image 1-4: Starts may 21st, DK/Lanm asking if they are practicing, no response. When asked when they can practice with newbee, newbee responded with "after elimination from WPC"

Image 5: Chat with xiao8 after mushi's post, who asked why mushi said that
Lanm (im guessing it's him, cause its his post...): Someone told us you were telling other teams to not practice with us.
Xiao8: Be broader (?), who said it? evidence? I'll say this, if I did this then my whole family dead (kinda like swearing on your family...)

EDIT: xiao8 replies:
21st and 22nd I was at the hospital looking after my wife, the whole team didn't practice. Even though it's a misunderstanding, shouldn't you guys clearly state where you got the rumor (of the boycott)?

Lanm apologizes.

Drama ends guys, I have 2.5 hrs to sleep, goodnight~

Oops, should've just made a new post instead of editing so more people will see this. oh well.
“拿梦想当赌注 我怎么舍得输” -ZSMJ
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 29 2014 12:40 GMT
#227
On May 29 2014 21:34 Oddball28 wrote:
You can defend Newbee all you want, and say its just competitive taunts and all that. But that twitter post from NewBee is absolute disgrace. The guy handling that twitter acount is downright accepting the racism from Banana and Hao. A proper organization knows how embracing such a message is very bad for you.

"Disaproval of foreginers" Just sounds soooo wrong.


Have you seen some of the tweets from western teams? like seriously.

Anyone surprised by hao/banana being xenophobic probably just isn't reading tweets from all of the pros from around the world. The entire dota2 scene and gaming in general is a racist, homophobic, sexist cesspool.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Spriki
Profile Joined April 2012
216 Posts
May 29 2014 12:41 GMT
#228
Drama ends in 5 pages? disappointing

But really, glad that this whole fiasco is finished. We can go back to sunshine and rainbow land where both fans of DK and newbee can cheer for the other team

Professional couch potato l Lover of Spectator Sports
son1dow
Profile Joined May 2009
Lithuania322 Posts
May 29 2014 12:42 GMT
#229
On May 29 2014 21:40 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 21:34 Oddball28 wrote:
You can defend Newbee all you want, and say its just competitive taunts and all that. But that twitter post from NewBee is absolute disgrace. The guy handling that twitter acount is downright accepting the racism from Banana and Hao. A proper organization knows how embracing such a message is very bad for you.

"Disaproval of foreginers" Just sounds soooo wrong.


Have you seen some of the tweets from western teams? like seriously.

Anyone surprised by hao/banana being xenophobic probably just isn't reading tweets from all of the pros from around the world. The entire dota2 scene and gaming in general is a racist, homophobic, sexist cesspool.


Most of the time it's joking around / speaking of general quality of players on ladder. This is actual 'We don't like people of a nationality different to ours.'
Play more Quake.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
May 29 2014 12:43 GMT
#230
Xioa8 posting evidence that they scrim with DK

http://t.qq.com/p/t/400762093548983

so no more hate guys
this is a quote
Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
May 29 2014 12:44 GMT
#231
On May 29 2014 21:40 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 21:34 Oddball28 wrote:
You can defend Newbee all you want, and say its just competitive taunts and all that. But that twitter post from NewBee is absolute disgrace. The guy handling that twitter acount is downright accepting the racism from Banana and Hao. A proper organization knows how embracing such a message is very bad for you.

"Disaproval of foreginers" Just sounds soooo wrong.


Have you seen some of the tweets from western teams? like seriously.

Anyone surprised by hao/banana being xenophobic probably just isn't reading tweets from all of the pros from around the world. The entire dota2 scene and gaming in general is a racist, homophobic, sexist cesspool.


List me some of the European pros blatantly directing racism towards each other. I know that in public games the racism towards russians/peruvians exists. But I haven't seen pros gone at each other like that. They should be rolemodels, except I know that they aren't these days. Just take a look at sing etc.
LaNm, Iceiceice, Mushi, BurNIng and MMY - DK 2013/2014 - What a ride it was...
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2073 Posts
May 29 2014 12:44 GMT
#232
On May 29 2014 21:32 Monv18hao wrote:
Newest update from Lanm
Tweet reads: "The cause for all this is because we heard that director 8 told other teams not to scrim with DK (Ever since SL9, IG clearly was no longer practicing with us and afterwards the situation with NB is like in image 2. [T/N: Image 2 is Lanm/DK messaging NB almost everyday in the past week asking if they were practicing, but not getting a response] Because of all this there were mushi and burning's posts. If it is how xiao8 says it is like in image 5, then we are willing to believe this is all a misunderstanding"

Image 1-4: Starts may 21st, DK/Lanm asking if they are practicing, no response. When asked when they can practice with newbee, newbee responded with "after elimination from WPC"

Image 5: Chat with xiao8 after mushi's post, who asked why mushi said that
Lanm (im guessing it's him, cause its his post...): Someone told us you were telling other teams to not practice with us.
Xiao8: Be broader (?), who said it? evidence? I'll say this, if I did this then my whole family dead (kinda like swearing on your family...)

EDIT: xiao8 replies:
21st and 22nd I was at the hospital looking after my wife, the whole team didn't practice. Even though it's a misunderstanding, shouldn't you guys clearly state where you got the rumor (of the boycott)?

Lanm apologizes.

Drama ends guys, I have 2.5 hrs to sleep, goodnight~

Everybody accusing each other without evidence.... Then the community without proper knowledge of the case just starts jumping to conclusions, and starts the hatings.... Now we see how fast rumours can spread....
Oppa feeding style
ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 12:49:21
May 29 2014 12:44 GMT
#233
On May 29 2014 21:27 kirsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 21:26 Emnjay808 wrote:
So 2/5 of DK are not Chinese so the other Chinese teams are throwing a fit about it? Fucking logic.

Sounds like theyre just salty for other reasons, imo. What do I know, though.


Exactly DK crushes every fucking tournament of course the other teams are going to try and take them down. Even if it is racist who gives a fuck. People calling for reprimands are unfathomable.


>>Even if it is racist who gives a fuck

Come on... are you for real? I don't want to watch a sport that involves political / strategical maneuvering beyond the game. The whole point about keeping the playing field level is what makes watching teams play against each other enjoyable.

If the boycott was true with race being the point of contention, thats just racism and any competition organizer throwing millions of dollars around should respect the sentiment of its international supporters.

If the boycott was true but racism was not a factor in it (highly unlikely given Hao, Mu and Banana's history), its still scummy and they should be booed at TI.

If the boycott was not true and Mushi's allegations were false, why would he or his team mates say such thing? They are such veterans of the scene that losing a few games purely because Newbee is on form won't bother them, so I suspect theres something more going on here.

Even if none of these were true, Valve should address the issue anyway to remind all players participating in TI to be a good sport without bigotry.

fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
May 29 2014 12:45 GMT
#234
DK has a source that they are unwilling to compromise. I think Newbee covered their tracks well. It could be an innocent misunderstanding, but I really doubt it is so.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
May 29 2014 13:01 GMT
#235
true or not i don't like the way Dk use social to help them nah if i am ACE the one that should be punish is Dk
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
May 29 2014 13:04 GMT
#236
On May 29 2014 21:44 Oddball28 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 21:40 lolnoty wrote:
On May 29 2014 21:34 Oddball28 wrote:
You can defend Newbee all you want, and say its just competitive taunts and all that. But that twitter post from NewBee is absolute disgrace. The guy handling that twitter acount is downright accepting the racism from Banana and Hao. A proper organization knows how embracing such a message is very bad for you.

"Disaproval of foreginers" Just sounds soooo wrong.


Have you seen some of the tweets from western teams? like seriously.

Anyone surprised by hao/banana being xenophobic probably just isn't reading tweets from all of the pros from around the world. The entire dota2 scene and gaming in general is a racist, homophobic, sexist cesspool.


List me some of the European pros blatantly directing racism towards each other. I know that in public games the racism towards russians/peruvians exists. But I haven't seen pros gone at each other like that. They should be rolemodels, except I know that they aren't these days. Just take a look at sing etc.


I'm not going to dig through every single tweet of every player for you because I don't think I have much to prove. Believe me or not, it's the entire gaming scene that has disgusting attitudes.

It's not smart, productive, or practical for Valve to go on some global police censorship spree. Mass censorship doesn't solve thought crimes.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
lilopuppy
Profile Joined August 2012
Philippines542 Posts
May 29 2014 13:06 GMT
#237
Nah, I fucking knew something was up. I had this feeling in my guts that something kinda like this was happening, a stray thought, what do Hao and co. feel about DK winning everything, non-mainlanders, do they do something about it? Something in my bones, why DK is playing so poorly in the last few months. People might argue semantics, but something is happening.
All the way to TI322!
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
May 29 2014 13:08 GMT
#238
rofl

use your esports bones to get me rares please. who's winning ti4?
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
May 29 2014 13:13 GMT
#239
On May 29 2014 22:04 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 21:44 Oddball28 wrote:
On May 29 2014 21:40 lolnoty wrote:
On May 29 2014 21:34 Oddball28 wrote:
You can defend Newbee all you want, and say its just competitive taunts and all that. But that twitter post from NewBee is absolute disgrace. The guy handling that twitter acount is downright accepting the racism from Banana and Hao. A proper organization knows how embracing such a message is very bad for you.

"Disaproval of foreginers" Just sounds soooo wrong.


Have you seen some of the tweets from western teams? like seriously.

Anyone surprised by hao/banana being xenophobic probably just isn't reading tweets from all of the pros from around the world. The entire dota2 scene and gaming in general is a racist, homophobic, sexist cesspool.


List me some of the European pros blatantly directing racism towards each other. I know that in public games the racism towards russians/peruvians exists. But I haven't seen pros gone at each other like that. They should be rolemodels, except I know that they aren't these days. Just take a look at sing etc.


I'm not going to dig through every single tweet of every player for you because I don't think I have much to prove. Believe me or not, it's the entire gaming scene that has disgusting attitudes.

It's not smart, productive, or practical for Valve to go on some global police censorship spree. Mass censorship doesn't solve thought crimes.


Theres a diffrence in between players having opinions and an entire organization to blatantly accept racism from their players. I haven't seen pros with this kinda attitude.
LaNm, Iceiceice, Mushi, BurNIng and MMY - DK 2013/2014 - What a ride it was...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 29 2014 13:15 GMT
#240
On May 29 2014 22:13 Oddball28 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 22:04 lolnoty wrote:
On May 29 2014 21:44 Oddball28 wrote:
On May 29 2014 21:40 lolnoty wrote:
On May 29 2014 21:34 Oddball28 wrote:
You can defend Newbee all you want, and say its just competitive taunts and all that. But that twitter post from NewBee is absolute disgrace. The guy handling that twitter acount is downright accepting the racism from Banana and Hao. A proper organization knows how embracing such a message is very bad for you.

"Disaproval of foreginers" Just sounds soooo wrong.


Have you seen some of the tweets from western teams? like seriously.

Anyone surprised by hao/banana being xenophobic probably just isn't reading tweets from all of the pros from around the world. The entire dota2 scene and gaming in general is a racist, homophobic, sexist cesspool.


List me some of the European pros blatantly directing racism towards each other. I know that in public games the racism towards russians/peruvians exists. But I haven't seen pros gone at each other like that. They should be rolemodels, except I know that they aren't these days. Just take a look at sing etc.


I'm not going to dig through every single tweet of every player for you because I don't think I have much to prove. Believe me or not, it's the entire gaming scene that has disgusting attitudes.

It's not smart, productive, or practical for Valve to go on some global police censorship spree. Mass censorship doesn't solve thought crimes.


Theres a diffrence in between players having opinions and an entire organization to blatantly accept racism from their players. I haven't seen pros with this kinda attitude.

that twitter is atrocious, i imagine that guy will be disciplined extremely quickly if newbee management hears of it. don't take their tweets as official newbee positions.
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