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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 04 2015 22:02 GMT
#13561
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

User was warned for this post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
March 04 2015 22:03 GMT
#13562
On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

DONT U DARE
LiquidDota Staff
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 22:05:37
March 04 2015 22:04 GMT
#13563
The thing about SC2 is it's better than every other RTS except BW which is miles ahead of SC2. I mean yeah we all love AoE2, DoW, or whatever our pet RTS is, but none of them hold up as well as SC2 & BW.

I only like gritty reboots of series that don't need gritty reboots. Waiting for the Mega Man gritty reboot where he is all gray and brown.


Just go listen to the Protomen and/or read their lyrics. It's pretty much grimdark mega man in song form.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 04 2015 22:04 GMT
#13564
I mean I've thoroughly enjoyed a lot of novels that at their core were what i'd describe as mediocre stories tbh
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2015 22:08 GMT
#13565
On March 05 2015 07:04 Logo wrote:
The thing about SC2 is it's better than every other RTS except BW which is miles ahead of SC2. I mean yeah we all love AoE2, DoW, or whatever our pet RTS is, but none of them hold up as well as SC2 & BW.

War3 is better than SC2, if only because War3 custom games are miles ahead of SC2's.

I mean, War3 customs lead to DotA after all.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 22:09:10
March 04 2015 22:08 GMT
#13566
On March 05 2015 06:55 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 06:44 Plansix wrote:
I mean, what are you standards? Are we going to compare them to movies or novels? Because if we do, they are horrible with a few exceptions.

What's wrong with Planescape Torment? Original Deus Ex? VTMB? Fallout 2?

Also books are all about the story, they are 100% about the story.
Movies take a step down and also have the visuals and audio.
Games take another step down and also has gameplay.

For each additional thing you have to include, the story will end up suffering. But that doesn't mean that all video games have terrible stories. Some stories might end up being simplified or not carry the same depths the medium of for example books are capable of having but that doesn't make them bad or terrible.

I compare game stories to other games and look at how entertaining/interesting/immersive they are.

You are not wrong that games get a lot of their emotional impact out of their stories by giving the player agency in them. Its why games like Uncharted are so enjoyable, because they are like taking part in a great Indian Jones film. But even the best video games stories pale in non interactive comparisons to the their contemporaries in their given genre. but games are greater than the sum of their parts, so its to be expected. Also writing has limitations when the player has agency in the story.

Don't get me wrong, I love video games with a great story. But I also sort of know how far the medium has to go on that front. That's a good thing, it means they can only get better as the people creating them mature. And we get more cool games like Bastion.

On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..


A great children book series and I challenge you to find one thats better or teaches kids more about the world.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 04 2015 22:09 GMT
#13567
On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

i once read an interview with one of the editors who rejected it for publication and they stood by the decision, saying something like "seriously, the first chapter is awful and boring" and they never read past that point.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 04 2015 22:09 GMT
#13568
On March 05 2015 07:03 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

DONT U DARE

first example that comes to mind
they spend a lot of time in the later books to find some items to kill the horcrux
when some half wit just use a fire spell and the ginger finally remember they killed a basilisk in the second book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 04 2015 22:10 GMT
#13569
On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

u fuk
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 04 2015 22:10 GMT
#13570
you are opening pandoras box erasme
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 04 2015 22:10 GMT
#13571
On March 05 2015 07:09 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

i once read an interview with one of the editors who rejected it for publication and they stood by the decision, saying something like "seriously, the first chapter is awful and boring" and they never read past that point.

which seems like a perfectly fine way to vet novels to me
what reader is going to read past an awful boring first chapter to buy the book?
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
March 04 2015 22:11 GMT
#13572
The real issue is that Blizzard made such an unreal level for RTS games that no one can seem to match it anymore. War 3 was really the last great RTS game and even then that game had it's own set of issues (Fuck Blademaster, bullshit hero).

The thing though is that the game was fun, and playing SC2 I just never got that feeling. It was very mechanical, very much a do this thing, and then do this thing, and then finish with this.

IMO it's that feeling of everything being super weak. Nothing felt strong, it was just a matter of 'well this isn't complete shit, so I guess I'll use that.'
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 04 2015 22:12 GMT
#13573
On March 05 2015 07:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 07:09 Nevuk wrote:
On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

i once read an interview with one of the editors who rejected it for publication and they stood by the decision, saying something like "seriously, the first chapter is awful and boring" and they never read past that point.

which seems like a perfectly fine way to vet novels to me
what reader is going to read past an awful boring first chapter to buy the book?

That first chapter is not great, straight up. But that sounds like a guy who is bummed out they passed up unlimited money.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 04 2015 22:12 GMT
#13574
brood war was a perfect fluke
of course theyr not going to be able to recreate the magic of a fluke
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
March 04 2015 22:12 GMT
#13575
--- Nuked ---
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
March 04 2015 22:13 GMT
#13576
A lot of the publications rejected HP without even reading it, some saying it was too long.
The reason it got published was because one guy let his daughter read the first chapter after which his daughter then began demanding the next chapter.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 22:14:19
March 04 2015 22:13 GMT
#13577
On March 05 2015 07:12 Dattish wrote:
What a great book guys! Teaches children to naively believe in fate as well as the fact that people should be treated differently based on things they had no control over, as long as it's positive!

You read those books wrong. You need to try again.

On March 05 2015 07:12 PassiveAce wrote:
brood war was a perfect fluke
of course theyr not going to be able to recreate the magic of a fluke


You can't put lightning in a bottle twice.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 04 2015 22:13 GMT
#13578
On March 05 2015 07:12 Dattish wrote:
What a great book guys! Teaches children to naively believe in fate as well as the fact that people should be treated differently based on things they had no control over, as long as it's positive!

Sommerville 9th edition SE book or HP?
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
March 04 2015 22:14 GMT
#13579
On March 05 2015 07:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 07:09 Nevuk wrote:
On March 05 2015 07:02 Erasme wrote:
welp people believe harry potter was a good story so..

i once read an interview with one of the editors who rejected it for publication and they stood by the decision, saying something like "seriously, the first chapter is awful and boring" and they never read past that point.

which seems like a perfectly fine way to vet novels to me
what reader is going to read past an awful boring first chapter to buy the book?

i dunno MAYBE LIKE 107 MILLION PEOPLE WORLDWIDE idk

although first chapter isn't that bad idk
LiquidDota Staff
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
March 04 2015 22:14 GMT
#13580
Was tempted to ban.
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