EPTOfficial 'what is Dota anymore' discussion - Page 543
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:09 Acritter wrote: Most of the stuff they're yammering about can be done within the DOTA2 UI. Alt-clicking abilities and items is pretty great. I mean, hell. Watch Merlini stream his Sunday Cup Series or whatever it's called. If the captain pings on someone, he instantly goes on them. Plenty of room to do these things without a word. the fact that you can alt click to communicate so much in Dota is awesome but you're kidding yourself if you think that teams are gonna be alt-clicking their skills instead of talking to share information about cooldowns during a teamfight. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: Yes, hearing stuff said by your teammate is more effective that reading it. Its just straight up faster, especially on a pro team where they are very used to it. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:15 Plansix wrote: With you Comeh. Why do people assign me work when I am out of the office? And why do people get mad when I don't respond due to massive Blizzards preventing our office from being open? These are the true questions of our time. Yeah its -8F (-22C) out today. :| | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
 personally with all of the QoL adjustments to alt-clicking, i still prefer communication especially when it comes to positioning and whether or not my assistance is needed. On February 20 2015 00:15 eieio wrote: the fact that you can alt click to communicate so much in Dota is awesome but you're kidding yourself if you think that teams are gonna be alt-clicking their skills instead of talking to share information about cooldowns during a teamfight. exactly. i don't want visual information, there's enough visual stuff going on in game that i miss it consistently. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:15 eieio wrote: the fact that you can alt click to communicate so much in Dota is awesome but you're kidding yourself if you think that teams are gonna be alt-clicking their skills instead of talking to share information about cooldowns during a teamfight. They're going to be doing both, honestly. Talking to communicate the high-register stuff that absolutely needs to be known, and alt-clicking to give the background to help people understand what's going on. That's what I do when I'm 5-stacking: combine methods to best convey information. Alt-clicking is definitely best in pubs, though. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:16 BluemoonSC wrote: the ui thing is something i was not aware of. for how much people have been complaining about the ui, i suppose it could be worse League lets you make the hud much smaller which is nice but outside of that it's pretty far behind Dota's UI in most ways. Most League players I know prefer League's gameplay to Dota (obviously) but would love to have the Dota client and UI (as long as it was small) and stuff. Like you can't even select allies to check their cooldowns or select enemies to read up on what their skills do. There are always things Dota's UI could improve on but it could be much much worse On February 20 2015 00:18 Acritter wrote: They're going to be doing both, honestly. Talking to communicate the high-register stuff that absolutely needs to be known, and alt-clicking to give the background to help people understand what's going on. That's what I do when I'm 5-stacking: combine methods to best convey information. Alt-clicking is definitely best in pubs, though. I think you're dramatically overestimating how much pro teams alt-click things outside of pings. I mean just watch pros stack in pubs, they're almost always on teamspeak or something and that's their primary method of communication. Still lots of pinging and minimap drawing obviously. alt clicking is still ownage in pubs though | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Really just give me the "pings and emoji" option and I can plan with anyone. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
also that queen hero is some imba pusher | ||
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goody153
44283 Posts
finally i get to see a C9/eg/secret dota | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:25 Plansix wrote: I sort of want an option to be muted in every game. I find the games where I just don't have the option to communicate are way more enjoyable. I just play the game and I'm not even tempted to rage or say anything because I can't. Really just give me the "pings and emoji" option and I can plan with anyone. I really like Aui's story about how Murs' enter key broke and he went on like a 15 game winning streak because he couldn't flame his team anymore lol | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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DV G
Argentina2339 Posts
On February 19 2015 23:27 Kreb wrote: I've played with/against him some 3-4 times or so and I think he's been raging in all chat 100% of the lost games. And the one game we won (we randomed into same team) he was pretty loudly proclaiming himself as MVP of the team in party chat. Take that as you wish. Oh well, i just casually tune in to watch him, that might be a cause that he's dropped 1k. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:23 eieio wrote: League lets you make the hud much smaller which is nice but outside of that it's pretty far behind Dota's UI in most ways. Most League players I know prefer League's gameplay to Dota (obviously) but would love to have the Dota client and UI (as long as it was small) and stuff. Like you can't even select allies to check their cooldowns or select enemies to read up on what their skills do. There are always things Dota's UI could improve on but it could be much much worse I think you're dramatically overestimating how much pro teams alt-click things outside of pings. I mean just watch pros stack in pubs, they're almost always on teamspeak or something and that's their primary method of communication. Still lots of pinging and minimap drawing obviously. alt clicking is still ownage in pubs though When I see pros stack in pubs, they hardly say anything to one another. They actually just barely communicate at all, and when they do, it's for simple things like "farming bot" and "let's push." Most of the talk, if there's any of it at all, is just random banter. | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:25 BurningSera wrote: been playing blizzard moba lately, i dont get how did they design the camera like that (probably just like superior moba?), i cant see shit coming to me outside of the box focused on my hero also that queen hero is some imba pusher you mean camera lock? you can turn it off so you can scroll freely on the subject of alt+click communication, some people i play with are too reliant on voice comms and will outright ignore anything that isn't verbally announced. like if i alt click stuff like enemy items, my skill cooldowns etc... they'll still be surprised two minutes later that the enemy OD has a hex, or that my ult isn't ready. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On February 20 2015 00:38 Acritter wrote: When I see pros stack in pubs, they hardly say anything to one another. They actually just barely communicate at all, and when they do, it's for simple things like "farming bot" and "let's push." Most of the talk, if there's any of it at all, is just random banter. I mean I'm watching aui right now and he's in a 5 stack and they've been talking all game. Same goes for when I was watching notail stack with bone7. apparently we are watching very different streams lol also if you watch the turtle beach teamchat videos all the teams are talking constantly. Like I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here but I don't know how you think that teams are gonna be primarily communicating through alt clicks instead of speaking during official matches lol. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
motherfucker | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
Depending on who is in the team there are the usual calls like in Sing-stack. But sometimes when they go tryhard mode and have all 5 players in skype, they call every little detail, ping out rotations from support, follow ward placement and have timers for every important skill in the game. JotM was the one who impressed me the most. Sees a support rotating past a ward, goes and dewards two wards in a row just from knowing where the enemy came from. | ||
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