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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
June 29 2015 21:07 GMT
#48841
im just speaking from experience, in canada all public worker unions are cancerous. the postal workers blocked one of the biggest road in the city to protest until police removed them. the bus drivers stop buses during the coldest winter months and its the low income family without cars that suffered the most because they cant even get to their jobs without paying for taxi or searching everywhere for carpools. and oh yeah cant forget the teachers, why would anybody become a teacher if they care more about money than childrens education.

and most people feel this way where i live. you can tell by the comments posted on our national news.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 21:14:19
June 29 2015 21:12 GMT
#48842
Yeah, don't get me wrong with public unions, I am not a huge fan in general. We have our own problems with firefighters unions and our amazing teachers unions(I think we have 3 right now). Hell, even MA public transportation has problems, but that more our government refusing to tax for it. I just took issue with the idea that 50K was to much for a government sanitation worker in the most expensive city in the US.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 29 2015 21:15 GMT
#48843
its again not 50k

its 100k+ in wages and benefits
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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
June 29 2015 21:18 GMT
#48844
they can always quit and move. foreign workers would gladly take 20k to do the same job #capitalism
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 29 2015 21:20 GMT
#48845
unfortunately that's probably also not possible, it actually is a very specialized job that requires a large amount of training. I would imagine that something like 60Kstarting/75K median salary is not unreasonable for bart workers
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 21:24:35
June 29 2015 21:21 GMT
#48846
On June 30 2015 05:48 Plansix wrote:
When the property value on my house goes triples in the span of 10 years and other discussions I have never had with my father.

I never said everyone was well off. I just find it amusing when everyone gets hyper critical of public workers doing the exact thing we are all encouraged to do in the private sector. Like when people in my state complained that Court clerks and staff were overpaid, because that is a job you want people to be underpaid for. I also think its funny that when folks devalue sanitation workers, as that is a job with a lot of hazards and isn't easy.

there are a lot of things affecting real property values where i used to live
large part of it was east asians and indians moving into the district where a top-25/50 public school is located

since that time (pre recession bubble btw), values have more or less plateaued. pricing is still 1.5x-2x of comparable houses in other areas but for good reason. it's funny because 2 or 3 suburb city blocks down from that residence, houses were worth 30-40% less.

On June 30 2015 06:00 Plansix wrote:
I am all for union reform and that some of them suck(Like the teachers unions in MA). I just get annoyed when people hold up sanitation workers as this skill-less shit job that shouldn't be well paid. Like the people are literally picking up our garbage, but somehow they shouldn't make a living wage relative to where they live.

But when all they are asking for it a 3% raise per year over 4 years, I can't really be that upset for fighting for it.

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On June 30 2015 05:54 HighTimeDotA wrote:
people forget that unions were created back in the day to help the powerless workers. nowadays unions just bully the public. fucking teachers postal worker bus driver striking cuz they want unreasonable raises.

id go be a janitor for 75k cuz crap jobs like that takes absolutely no skill whatsoever and you have so much sparetime to do whatever else you want to do.


If it is anything like the jobs in MA, its a ton of work. Like cleaning up other peoples vomit because its Thursday and the subway is how drunks travel.

like i said, I'm not against their wages being that high, but striking for more by strangulation of the entire area's public transportation system when they are already making so much more than their peers in the same area is ridiculous (150% compared to AC transit, and they're just another public transportation system serving similar areas). I also recognize that their jobs entail their own set of difficulties, but their base median is simply disproportionate to their job requirements.

on the flip side, it could be argued that they aren't really doing a great job - those car compartments are downright disgusting
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/us/06bcseats.html
https://www.baycitizen.org/news/transportation/bart-seats-bacteria-blossom/

but whatever that's another discussion entirely.

what kupo says is mostly true and basically the prevailing sentiment of the public on the issue.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 21:27:45
June 29 2015 21:23 GMT
#48847
Obviously 100K is to much if their benefits package is to generous. Shit like that can bankrupt a city in lean times.

Edit: Andy, I was mostly making a joke about the real estate bubble. That shit went crazy around Boston too, but nothing like California. I worked during the REO boom from 2008-2014 in real estate law. Its why I know so much about evictions.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 29 2015 21:24 GMT
#48848
Therein is the problem, you're already overpaid but you'll strike if you don't still get continuous raises
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2015 21:36 GMT
#48849
Its also a problem with the news coverage because everyone focuses on the pay checks and not the benefits package. You can change pay if everyone's pay takes a dive. But pensions and retirement packages are normally protected by law. But the cheap headlines are in the "look how much this guy pushing a mop makes, but you would like that job, hue hue hue."

Journalism at it's finest.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
June 29 2015 21:43 GMT
#48850
On June 30 2015 05:39 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 05:28 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On June 30 2015 05:25 CorsairHero wrote:
On June 30 2015 05:23 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On June 30 2015 04:18 Targe wrote:
its hard to imagine a city without extensive public transport


i'd like to introduce you to phoenix

you can afford to buy a house with a 2 or 3 car garage for pennies (relatively speaking)


driving everywhere sux
and he was asking about major cities without extensive public transport. that's phoenix

are things that far apart? ya driving can get annoying but is biking an alternative

have fun biking in 100 degree heat for 6 months

On June 30 2015 06:02 Jinxed wrote:
So yeah, generalizations are bad.


nice generalization
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
June 30 2015 00:15 GMT
#48851
pls stop all this off topic discussion and resume dota shit talk
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
June 30 2015 00:16 GMT
#48852
arteezy's a god wat a 1k gpm furion game felt like rtz vs bots
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 30 2015 00:20 GMT
#48853
That game looked pretty dull when I left the house. 1k per minute is a lot.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 00:22:19
June 30 2015 00:21 GMT
#48854
On June 30 2015 09:16 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
arteezy's a god wat a 1k gpm furion game felt like rtz vs bots

that poor AM on the other team he was reading where he was gonna farm and killing him everytime

it's ok now .. he's going full rtz he's playing Tb going full throw
this is a quote
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 00:23:30
June 30 2015 00:21 GMT
#48855
now he picked terrorblade dis gon b gud

i didnt actually know there were non-arcana tb hats
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 00:23:22
June 30 2015 00:23 GMT
#48856
On June 29 2015 11:24 tehh4ck3r wrote:
why dont we just rename this thread to rtz stream live report thread
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
June 30 2015 00:23 GMT
#48857
lets be real rtz stream is the only consistent dota entertainment nowadays
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44309 Posts
June 30 2015 00:24 GMT
#48858
rtz's the main offtopic here anyways
this is a quote
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 30 2015 00:38 GMT
#48859
ive been missing
rtz cam
cos i was watching some poker stream and doing photoshop stuff

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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 30 2015 00:43 GMT
#48860
its been so long since i've seen radiance
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