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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:29 Shiragaku wrote: If I only play supports and would be the type of person who cries "SUPPORT OR I FEED!" would people love me? Some would. Others would rage about you taking their denies | ||
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Aui_2000
Canada435 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:57 TheYango wrote: Realistically playing hard carry is the worst role for learning about the game because it's least involved with the game flow and has the lowest teamfight involvement of any role. If you want someone to learn fast then shove them solo mid every game. Just be prepared for some excruciatingly painful games. Also, I think everyone who wants to play on a team should play hard carry for at least a short duration of time at some point. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:24 Yoshi- wrote: I am pretty sure that i have never seen you play anything else than carry a year ago, and at that time you didn't even knew anyother hero than AM(i mean literally you had no clue who bara is), so which point in time was "a way back" Wut? o.O 2009 is when I started, and I've known who spiritbreaker is from the start.. On September 09 2012 02:29 Shiragaku wrote: If I only play supports and would be the type of person who cries "SUPPORT OR I FEED!" would people love me? I definitely would if you did all the jobs support has and took 0 lasthits, we could carry these games so easily. On September 09 2012 02:43 ChrisXIV wrote: After reading about Drums/Yasha/Diffusal on Spectre somewhere here on these forums I decided to try it out. It's fucking amazing - no more ultra fragile 30 mins afk farm, just popping into teamfights and killing shit. Can't remember who posted about it, but thank you sir for this awesome build. Btw you ideally have Radiance before 17min so it's not exactly 30min afk farm | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:43 Shikyo wrote: Wut? o.O 2009 is when I started, and I've known who spiritbreaker is from the start.. I definitely would if you did all the jobs support has and took 0 lasthits, we could carry these games so easily. Btw you ideally have Radiance before 17min so it's not exactly 30min afk farm Ideally...yeah. I've had very few games where I could farm for the first 20 minutes, and the last was no different. Solo Spectre vs Puck/Disruptor meant I had no farm whatsoever. >_> And it is ~30 minutes, because Radiance won't help you survive. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:29 Shiragaku wrote: If I only play supports and would be the type of person who cries "SUPPORT OR I FEED!" would people love me? That would be kind of hilarious to type that in chat before a game starts. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:48 Yoshi- wrote: Considering that i have a replay which is one year old and where you said that you never played sb, I really assume that you are lying. Hmmm I might have been in that replay :3 | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
There are something like ~8 creeps a minute for the first 10 minutes, a good carry typically doesn't need 80 ck at 10 minutes. (there's more than 80 creeps, it just starts at 4 per wave then goes to 5 per wave, especially counting siege units). A support needs money for a few basic items -early tp scrolls, wards, stick, boots (in basically that order of importance - a counter gank tp from a support is generally going to be worth more than a magic stick or boots, though wards may be of more importance). | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:53 Kishin2 wrote: imo if you're a beginner then you should just play whatever hero but farm like you're a carry. Learning how to last hit/deny properly is an essential skill even if you're want to play primarily support. It also helps with awareness and knowing when and where you can farm without getting ganked, assuming the opposing team does gank. For real though, please don't farm like a carry if you are not a carry. PLEASE. There are enough supports like this already, don't give people ideas. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Support says they need 3 lasthits and they suck at lasthitting and take 10 creeps to get the 3 lasthits - Do mind. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:37 Aui_2000 wrote: If you want someone to learn fast then shove them solo mid every game. Just be prepared for some excruciatingly painful games. Also, I think everyone who wants to play on a team should play hard carry for at least a short duration of time at some point. Agreed about solo mid. I think playing hard carry is good for someone who is already comfortable with the game flow and teamfight mechanics and can judge what fights they can and can't win in the vast majority of situations. It's just for someone starting out, it's not a good place to start learning. On September 09 2012 02:43 Shikyo wrote: Btw you ideally have Radiance before 17min so it's not exactly 30min afk farm 17 minute Radi is assuming you get nothing else but Radi and upgraded boots. Realistically if you plug slots with items for laning/surviving ganks, 20-23 minute Radi is more feasible. And Spec gets Radi to farm, so realistically she still needs at least 1 fighting item (Heart, Manta, or Diffusal) before really being comfortable teamfighting after that (obviously Ultimate lets you contribute to fights as they happen) so its still 25-27 minutes before you really come into your prime. | ||
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
On September 09 2012 01:03 whoso wrote: that is a terrible, terrible attitude to have when solo-qeuing matchmaking and will cause an enormous amount of hate towards you, and propably justified. i rarely flame, but when last guy picks another carry to the 2 or 3 we already have, im loosing it, because there are few things to do in this game more selfish. and thats coming form someone who prefers to play carry himself. As much as this attitude sucks, I can understand where he is coming from. I usually only play pos 1/2 heroes, but will fill in with whatever is needed if I take to long with picking. The problem is that I've always played like that, I'm fucking awful at everything else and I don't like it either. At times it's actually worse for the team whenever I pick a support over a carry evem thought it would fit the lineup more. I'm just that bad at it. The entire qq-thread or matchmaking whine about onesided games could be related to stuff like me playing support roles. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
 Idk why, i always felt it was a lot easier in DotA1. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:58 Shikyo wrote: Support says they need 3 lastshits and take 3 lasthits - Don't mind. Support says they need 3 lasthits and they suck at lasthitting and take 10 creeps to get the 3 lasthits - Do mind. That's true. Most support heroes have bad animations but most support players have adapted to them if they're dedicated support. Also, if you're playing with someone who you've played with for a few hundred games in that role then they won't mind setting up last hits for you and will expect you to help set up last hits for them in general too(especially under the tower). Plus there are some CK that the carry just won't be able to get (two creeps about to die simultaneously, or melee carry and ranged support where creep would be denied by opponents). Carries raging about these CK being taken just get muted instantly by me. When I play in low level games with new friends and the pub carries miss every lasthit and I take them after they've missed and they rage, I just don't know what to say. There's no way to politely tell them they suck at last-hitting. It's really rare I play that scenario, but I know there are plenty of support players stuck with carries like that (probably the majority). Funniest thing I've ever seen to make up for bad lasthitting though - hatchet exort invoker. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On September 09 2012 02:43 Shikyo wrote: Wut? o.O 2009 is when I started, and I've known who spiritbreaker is from the start.. I definitely would if you did all the jobs support has and took 0 lasthits, we could carry these games so easily. Btw you ideally have Radiance before 17min so it's not exactly 30min afk farm 17min Radiance in a pub is pretty exceptional unless you are stacking. Even after Radiance you'll need at least a Diffu and the a Heart/Manta etc. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
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