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buh
Profile Joined August 2012
12 Posts
September 01 2012 01:49 GMT
#18641
What about that documentary, anyone knows when it's coming out?
lycaen
Profile Joined April 2012
United States16 Posts
September 01 2012 03:05 GMT
#18642
On September 01 2012 10:18 DeltaX wrote:
So, I was gona check out the dota 2 invite that valve sells to try and see what items come with it but I can't find it in the store. Did it get removed or am I blind?

I'm having the same issue
kassadin
CatharsisUT
Profile Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
September 01 2012 03:10 GMT
#18643
OK glad I'm not alone. I've looked through that store for 15 minutes and can't find anything. Unfortunate timing with the tournament this weekend and TL starting coverage.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 01 2012 03:44 GMT
#18644
DotA 2 Invite still the first thing listed in Bundles. Far better off trading keys for an invite though unless you enjoy wasting money.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 01 2012 06:12 GMT
#18645
On September 01 2012 08:15 Nilrem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:13 Firebolt145 wrote:
On September 01 2012 07:56 NB wrote:
i mean everyone could just get a dagon... on every heroes...

Treads v phase is a much more reasonable decision than dagon on every hero. Stop exaggerating.


Whats your preference on Sf? I like phase but I know many who go treads.

Phase vs. Treads on SF isn't just a simple question of boots choice, because they accompany completely different paths of item development.

Treads is followed up directly with BKB. The combination maximizes your straight survivability off your first 2 items, and is suited for games where you expect to jump into immediate teamfights.

Phases is generally coupled with Janggo, to give you chasing power, and immediate right click damage. You sacrifice a significant amount of up-front survivability for its benefits. Its suited for a gank-oriented tempo or a long farming phase, as you should still not expect to teamfight effectively before you get your BKB.

It's not an issue of just player preference. Each route of item development fits a different sort of game tempo.
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 01 2012 08:46 GMT
#18646
+ Show Spoiler [DK vs Navi] +
Any idea why DK banned Pudge in the first ban phase in all 3 games instead of growing a pair of balls? I haven't watched any of the Navi pudge games, but surely a hero like Pudge is nothing more than a gimmick cheese strategy that has no chance of succeeding if you know it's coming? I mean there's a reason that this hero isn't used in competitive play. Instead DK got so obsessed about banning pudge that they let a Lycan through in games 2 and 3 for Navi to pick up. Especially in game 3, giving Lycan to the dire side really fucked them up. In what universe would you rather play against a Lycan than a Pudge?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 01 2012 08:49 GMT
#18647
On September 01 2012 17:46 writer22816 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [DK vs Navi] +
Any idea why DK banned Pudge in the first ban phase in all 3 games instead of growing a pair of balls? I haven't watched any of the Navi pudge games, but surely a hero like Pudge is nothing more than a gimmick cheese strategy that has no chance of succeeding if you know it's coming? I mean there's a reason that this hero isn't used in competitive play. Instead DK got so obsessed about banning pudge that they let a Lycan through in games 2 and 3 for Navi to pick up. Especially in game 3, giving Lycan to the dire side really fucked them up. In what universe would you rather play against a Lycan than a Pudge?

+ Show Spoiler +
They have more experience against Lycan than Pudge and he is historically the Ultimate Chinese Slayer
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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 08:54:55
September 01 2012 08:52 GMT
#18648
On September 01 2012 17:46 writer22816 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [DK vs Navi] +
Any idea why DK banned Pudge in the first ban phase in all 3 games instead of growing a pair of balls? I haven't watched any of the Navi pudge games, but surely a hero like Pudge is nothing more than a gimmick cheese strategy that has no chance of succeeding if you know it's coming? I mean there's a reason that this hero isn't used in competitive play. Instead DK got so obsessed about banning pudge that they let a Lycan through in games 2 and 3 for Navi to pick up. Especially in game 3, giving Lycan to the dire side really fucked them up. In what universe would you rather play against a Lycan than a Pudge?

+ Show Spoiler +
I think it has to do with one of the things Dendi said: It's easier to hook pro-players. Why? Because he knows what they will do. And that would be the optimal decision, meaning that if they give him Pudge, they can't make those optimal decisions that have become second nature. They have to work around it, which might cost them.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 01 2012 09:36 GMT
#18649
On September 01 2012 17:46 writer22816 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [DK vs Navi] +
Any idea why DK banned Pudge in the first ban phase in all 3 games instead of growing a pair of balls? I haven't watched any of the Navi pudge games, but surely a hero like Pudge is nothing more than a gimmick cheese strategy that has no chance of succeeding if you know it's coming? I mean there's a reason that this hero isn't used in competitive play. Instead DK got so obsessed about banning pudge that they let a Lycan through in games 2 and 3 for Navi to pick up. Especially in game 3, giving Lycan to the dire side really fucked them up. In what universe would you rather play against a Lycan than a Pudge?

+ Show Spoiler +
Nothing ruins the Chinese teams like a Dendi pudge, and they completely respect that.
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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
September 01 2012 10:49 GMT
#18650
On September 01 2012 09:32 lycaen wrote:
lol ah seems that was the Valve complete pack. Like I said I was under the impression that you could pre pay for access into the beta. Guess only way is to take the survey or see if anyone is selling than correct?


You can buy keys from valve as part of the dota2 bundle (the Valve complete pack is $99, but that includes their other games. The dota2 bundle is $30, which is a key +some other cosmetic items). It is far cheaper to trade for invites, however - they are about $5 worth of items (keys), depending on who you find.

On September 01 2012 05:37 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 05:28 Gandalf wrote:
Why do -ping, netgraph1, and console ping show different values? Which is the "real" ping?


{ [ 3e · ∫∫(ping₁) + 4π² · (ping₂)⁴ ] + 2i · 7√(ping₃)/2 } / 3 = "real" ping


What is the intergral with respect to?
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
September 01 2012 11:04 GMT
#18651
On September 01 2012 12:05 lycaen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 10:18 DeltaX wrote:
So, I was gona check out the dota 2 invite that valve sells to try and see what items come with it but I can't find it in the store. Did it get removed or am I blind?

I'm having the same issue


Been looking today after watching TI2. Figured it would be nice to learn and cant find the bundle on the store either :S Even dl'd the dota 2 client and clicked on the play it now to buy from store and its not there
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 01 2012 11:05 GMT
#18652
http://dota2.com/store/itemdetails/57939587?appid=570 You mean this?
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 01 2012 11:07 GMT
#18653
For those interested in how to buy a key for much cheaper than £30 or whatever: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365276
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 01 2012 11:08 GMT
#18654
On September 01 2012 18:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 17:46 writer22816 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [DK vs Navi] +
Any idea why DK banned Pudge in the first ban phase in all 3 games instead of growing a pair of balls? I haven't watched any of the Navi pudge games, but surely a hero like Pudge is nothing more than a gimmick cheese strategy that has no chance of succeeding if you know it's coming? I mean there's a reason that this hero isn't used in competitive play. Instead DK got so obsessed about banning pudge that they let a Lycan through in games 2 and 3 for Navi to pick up. Especially in game 3, giving Lycan to the dire side really fucked them up. In what universe would you rather play against a Lycan than a Pudge?

+ Show Spoiler +
Nothing ruins the Chinese teams like a Dendi pudge, and they completely respect that.

+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty much this dendi is stupidly good with hooks and Lycan can be shut down methodically. pudge cannot. you can remove pudge from the game for the first 20 minutes he is still a grave threat to anyone who makes a slight mistake. remove lycan from the game for 20 minutes and he's absolutely useless when not in ultimate form, outside of scouting with wolves.
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 11:13:34
September 01 2012 11:10 GMT
#18655
On September 01 2012 20:05 Qbek wrote:
http://dota2.com/store/itemdetails/57939587?appid=570 You mean this?


doesn't show up just defaults to the store T_T but it seems like only NA people are having problems.

thanks though

Edit: It shows up for some languages when you change it on the site :S
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 01 2012 11:11 GMT
#18656
Game open in NA soon??????
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pap0t
Profile Joined August 2012
Philippines279 Posts
September 01 2012 11:13 GMT
#18657
On September 01 2012 20:08 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 18:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
On September 01 2012 17:46 writer22816 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [DK vs Navi] +
Any idea why DK banned Pudge in the first ban phase in all 3 games instead of growing a pair of balls? I haven't watched any of the Navi pudge games, but surely a hero like Pudge is nothing more than a gimmick cheese strategy that has no chance of succeeding if you know it's coming? I mean there's a reason that this hero isn't used in competitive play. Instead DK got so obsessed about banning pudge that they let a Lycan through in games 2 and 3 for Navi to pick up. Especially in game 3, giving Lycan to the dire side really fucked them up. In what universe would you rather play against a Lycan than a Pudge?

+ Show Spoiler +
Nothing ruins the Chinese teams like a Dendi pudge, and they completely respect that.

+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty much this dendi is stupidly good with hooks and Lycan can be shut down methodically. pudge cannot. you can remove pudge from the game for the first 20 minutes he is still a grave threat to anyone who makes a slight mistake. remove lycan from the game for 20 minutes and he's absolutely useless when not in ultimate form, outside of scouting with wolves.


let me put it simply. Chinese gameplay tend to be more of the "Let's group together and fight"... and pudge is the ultimate counter. since he can hook 1 of them and totally put their formation in disarray.
Ownage, maybe?
Bash
Profile Joined August 2007
Finland1533 Posts
September 01 2012 11:15 GMT
#18658
On September 01 2012 20:08 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 18:36 Firebolt145 wrote:
On September 01 2012 17:46 writer22816 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [DK vs Navi] +
Any idea why DK banned Pudge in the first ban phase in all 3 games instead of growing a pair of balls? I haven't watched any of the Navi pudge games, but surely a hero like Pudge is nothing more than a gimmick cheese strategy that has no chance of succeeding if you know it's coming? I mean there's a reason that this hero isn't used in competitive play. Instead DK got so obsessed about banning pudge that they let a Lycan through in games 2 and 3 for Navi to pick up. Especially in game 3, giving Lycan to the dire side really fucked them up. In what universe would you rather play against a Lycan than a Pudge?

+ Show Spoiler +
Nothing ruins the Chinese teams like a Dendi pudge, and they completely respect that.

+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty much this dendi is stupidly good with hooks and Lycan can be shut down methodically. pudge cannot. you can remove pudge from the game for the first 20 minutes he is still a grave threat to anyone who makes a slight mistake. remove lycan from the game for 20 minutes and he's absolutely useless when not in ultimate form, outside of scouting with wolves.


+ Show Spoiler +
No hero ruins your meticulous positioning quite like Pudge, and I doubt you can get much practice against that in your regular games. He just alters the playing field so much, I'm pretty sure DK just didn't want to have to deal with being uncomfortable on the map like that in such a vital game.
I can't sing and I can't dance, but still I know how to clap my hands.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
September 01 2012 11:56 GMT
#18659
[image loading]
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 01 2012 13:00 GMT
#18660
who is that
and it's simply easier to ban pudge than to counter him ~~
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