EPTOn August 19 2014 11:24 Shaella wrote:
i dunno late game Ember spirit is pretty retarded too
So is late game dusa
i dunno late game Ember spirit is pretty retarded too
So is late game dusa
lategame CK is pretty good too
one shots heroes
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lategame CK is pretty good too one shots heroes | ||
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Nilrem
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On August 19 2014 11:32 Acritter wrote: Uh. GIVING? The bolt always had the ability to reveal. Vision has been a core component of Zeus for forever. The Zeus changes have been towards giving his abilities more range, which to be frank is exactly what he needs. He can deal crazy amounts of damage if permitted, but lacks the range to do so without just getting blown the fuck up. The bolt-on-ground change was a nice little addition, too, but if you want to see Zeus picked, it's going to be on the back of increased range and mobility. I don't understand where your "easily countered" bit comes from. He's no more easily countered than any of the many other casters that can't go through BKB. They get picked over him because he's got no way of getting around. Storm is a splendid example of this. Mobility is king. He is more easily countered compared to others because once his DPS is stopped, he is utterly useless. Heroes like Lina, while caster, still has mobility, right click, stun, and can go through bkb. Which casters are just as easily countered to the point of pointlessness? Lina can still be useful, Sk, even QoP can either dish out damage or get away until pipe is down or whatnot. And when I said reveal, I meant reveal location. But that does not change my point. Regardless, so long as he stays the way he is (even with addition of range), he will still be too easily stopped without massive amounts of gold. | ||
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Targe
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On August 19 2014 13:03 Plansix wrote: I'll just leave this here for everyone: Targe, is this one of your alts? is that guy actually retarded? | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Don't be mean now... He couldn't really avoid the chain frost because they are being dived in the fountain already... Meepo would still die anywhere he goes. Though that buyback probably was stupid. | ||
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icystorage
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Ask moonies and dubzex. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On August 19 2014 16:28 trinxified wrote: Don't be mean now... He couldn't really avoid the chain frost because they are being dived in the fountain already... Meepo would still die anywhere he goes. Though that buyback probably was stupid. he didnt even attempt to micro, he could have split whilst running back to base | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On August 19 2014 16:41 Targe wrote: he didnt even attempt to micro, he could have split whilst running back to base Yep after watching it again, that would've been the best way to do it. Though it doesn't really matter... they were already losing that game if they're being dived like that. | ||
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On August 19 2014 19:34 r_con wrote: i have no idea why zeus has shit range, shit base damage shit attack animation and shit mobiilty. he also has shit armor and pretty bad stat growth. Im pretty sure zeus becomes a decent hero if you give him 600 range and +10 base damage. And even with that he wouldn't be top tier. Zeus is not weak, the problem is that pure nukers that want farm have no spot in the meta. A mid hero without any utility or lategame is considered worthless, regardless if they can win mid or not, qop has a lot of good matchups and she almost never gets picked. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On August 19 2014 19:34 r_con wrote: i have no idea why zeus has shit range, shit base damage shit attack animation and shit mobiilty. he also has shit armor and pretty bad stat growth. Im pretty sure zeus becomes a decent hero if you give him 600 range and +10 base damage. And even with that he wouldn't be top tier. Because he can wtfrape half of the team if he got some mobility and decent setup. He is one of the few int nukers who can still maintain some potential in mid to late game even against bkb and pipe. | ||
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and WEC western qualifiers cancelled http://dota.2p.com/article.shtml?id=8413272 | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On August 19 2014 15:17 Nilrem wrote: He is more easily countered compared to others because once his DPS is stopped, he is utterly useless. Heroes like Lina, while caster, still has mobility, right click, stun, and can go through bkb. Which casters are just as easily countered to the point of pointlessness? Lina can still be useful, Sk, even QoP can either dish out damage or get away until pipe is down or whatnot. And when I said reveal, I meant reveal location. But that does not change my point. Regardless, so long as he stays the way he is (even with addition of range), he will still be too easily stopped without massive amounts of gold. Lina is one of the extremely few heroes who was not picked at TI4. She's a terrible example. Perhaps you meant to say Skywrath Mage? Oh, wait, let's look at the difference there. Skywrath Mage does jack all when someone picks up BKB, is squishy as fuck, and has far greater range and a full 30 higher base movespeed. Before you say that he's never used as a mid and thus is a bad comparison, Dendi has used him as a mid in competitive to good success a few times. Zeus' problem is a mobility problem, plain and simple. Give him another 5-10 movespeed and 100 more range on Lightning Bolt, and he'll be picked in competitive. Well, he would if ganking mids weren't abhorred right now. On August 19 2014 19:57 idonthinksobro wrote: Zeus is not weak, the problem is that pure nukers that want farm have no spot in the meta. A mid hero without any utility or lategame is considered worthless, regardless if they can win mid or not, qop has a lot of good matchups and she almost never gets picked. He's also weak. The hero just doesn't do enough damage with enough reliability. Even when ganking mids were amazing, Zeus was only used by Alliance in one joke strat (NP+Zeus double Aghs Refresher). | ||
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Acritter
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Shadow Blade is basically a pub-only item and needs the most attention. Force just needs a slight buff, because it's generally in the right area. Blink maybe needs to cost 100 more gold. Oh, and this is also a product of other aspects of the meta. The critical part of the game requires all heroes to mature at more or less the same time, and it's right when you can reliably have Blink Dagger on all your cores. There's simply no other item that does what Blink can do for the price point. Why would you have something like half a Manta when you could have a Blink Dagger? Vici versus Newbee showed that at the highest level, games end in 20 minutes. There's no reason to play for the lategame, because Blink does shit for you right now. | ||
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