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pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
May 07 2014 15:09 GMT
#106101
On May 07 2014 23:49 Laurens wrote:
http://dotametrics.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/one-weird-trick-to-raise-mmr-that-raijin-thunderkeg-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about/

Relevant to the on-going discussion. An article why picking high impact mids may not be the best strategy if you want to gain MMR.

nice, thanks, dotametrics is always interesting
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 07 2014 15:14 GMT
#106102
We're doing the "Grandmaster understanding of the game but don't play enough so I am just Silver." in Dota now as well?
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
May 07 2014 15:14 GMT
#106103
On May 07 2014 23:49 Laurens wrote:
http://dotametrics.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/one-weird-trick-to-raise-mmr-that-raijin-thunderkeg-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about/

Relevant to the on-going discussion. An article why picking high impact mids may not be the best strategy if you want to gain MMR.


But still, wouldn't the best way to climb be: Get good with the high impact mids? This article only says you aren't going to be inflating your mmr by picking them.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 07 2014 15:14 GMT
#106104
Has Dota ever worked any other way?
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 15:15:55
May 07 2014 15:15 GMT
#106105
On May 08 2014 00:14 DrPandaPhD wrote:
We're doing the "Grandmaster understanding of the game but don't play enough so I am just Silver." in Dota now as well?

Mechanics are a lot less important in dota or else I wouldn't be 4.3k (#thetrench)
E: i mean to imply i'd be a lot lower
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 07 2014 15:18 GMT
#106106
On May 08 2014 00:14 DrPandaPhD wrote:
We're doing the "Grandmaster understanding of the game but don't play enough so I am just Silver." in Dota now as well?

There's a diference between taking it too far and accepting that a person that reads about the game knows a bit more than someone that doesnt. And the average Dota player just plays the game and doesn't even read changelogs. So anyone reading this probally knows more than the Aghs Gyro player that plagues low level games, even if they are not better than them.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 07 2014 15:20 GMT
#106107
Also yango's mmr
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
May 07 2014 15:20 GMT
#106108
On May 08 2014 00:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Also yango's mmr

Over or under 3k?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 07 2014 15:21 GMT
#106109
Over but ur getting my point i see.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 07 2014 15:28 GMT
#106110
On May 08 2014 00:14 DrPandaPhD wrote:
We're doing the "Grandmaster understanding of the game but don't play enough so I am just Silver." in Dota now as well?

My understanding is great when I am watching, but total trench level when I am playing. My MMR is shit and I'm likely right where I belong. Although I have super bad luck with team mates DCing lately.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
May 07 2014 15:35 GMT
#106111
On May 08 2014 00:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2014 00:14 DrPandaPhD wrote:
We're doing the "Grandmaster understanding of the game but don't play enough so I am just Silver." in Dota now as well?

Mechanics are a lot less important in dota or else I wouldn't be 4.3k (#thetrench)
E: i mean to imply i'd be a lot lower
Well 'mechanics' is a broad term, and if you believe it isn't, then there's a lot of things which aren't strictly "knowledge" or "mechanics" which separate the good from bad.

As someone who rarely plays anymore I find most of the issues I have are with moment to moment decision making and not with 'mechanics'. And the issues I have with mechanics are more around things like map awareness.
Once you Goblak...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 07 2014 15:38 GMT
#106112
I mess up lasthits. I fail creep aggro things. I whiff stuns. I doom creeps.

I mean, yes i also have no map awareness, I panic in teamfights, i make bad positioning decisions, etc.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 07 2014 15:40 GMT
#106113
On May 08 2014 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mess up lasthits. I fail creep aggro things. I whiff stuns. I doom creeps.

I mean, yes i also have no map awareness, I panic in teamfights, i make bad positioning decisions, etc.

So you play dota? At least your half way there and know you are making a mistake.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 07 2014 15:40 GMT
#106114
DP's a good one for winning pubs. I usually like phase + drums if we're winning and have a good early/midgame team, you can just run over the enemy team and towers. If we're losing and have a late-ish team, I like mana boots + euls. Just splitpush, stall, farm jungle for ages with all that mana.

But the best pub hero now is Wraith King, imo. It's really easy to first pick him. You can position 1, support or even jungle him. You can go a lategame build with midas, or aggressive with blink first. Pub people are usually pretty bad at playing around his ult, because coordination is overall worse obviously. It's also hard to counter pick him, some people will go antimage or pl for the mana burn, but these heroes suck in pubs, so it's not a big deal. Beside that, wk with blink is pretty scary for them early on, he can gank them really easily.
super gg
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
May 07 2014 15:42 GMT
#106115
I think the mechanics/knowledge thing is more prevalent for me in CS:GO.

Like I played CS at a high level for many years, so my movement / map awareness / predictions of enemy movement is very good. But the combination of not having played and the changes they made in GO means that I can't shoot for shit.

But in Dota I find that last hitting is pretty much as good/bad as it always was.
Once you Goblak...
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
May 07 2014 15:48 GMT
#106116
I sheeped and dagon'd a creep as tinker a few days ago.
Was funny to be honest.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 07 2014 15:49 GMT
#106117
Well, tinker's entirely too many buttons for me I don't even bother trying anymore (helps that my actually skilled friend is a tinker player lol).
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 15:51:24
May 07 2014 15:51 GMT
#106118
I feel tinker is the hardest to play with soul ring, lategame when i've sold soulring it becomes a lot easier.
I mess up with soul ring often for some reason, forgetting to use it before rearm or using it right after i started rearming for some reason so i cancel my rearm.

Then after i've sold it it's like everything is 10 times easier.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 07 2014 15:53 GMT
#106119
Having alt-hotkeys for items like in HoN is probably not helping, although I know a lot of pros have that as well and it doesn't bother them too much.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
May 07 2014 15:55 GMT
#106120
alt hotkeys seem so bad to me.
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