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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44292 Posts
May 02 2014 18:30 GMT
#105581
On May 03 2014 03:28 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:12 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:09 Targe wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:08 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:03 Unleashing wrote:
I don't quite understand why you'd want drum before radiance on naga, seems counterintuitive to buy an item that gives you early-midgame presence and then buy and item that lets you splitpush and farm.
Also that seems quite slow for 25 minutes + 2 towers.

I think the drums are for stats and MS makes you farm faster i think. Although i like aquila better since it's cheaper and regen boost is nice.

Shit that means practice more .. What is the normal timing for radiance rush with the aquila + boots ? not the pro timing since i'm no pro

why not both drums and aquila?

edit: if you want a shitty timing my radiance generally comes 22-27 mins depending on how much ive died but thats with drums + aquila

for me the purpose of aquila/drums are letting me farm faster. So getting the two would just slow down the radiance i think. And it's much better to get radiance faster than get both starting items. Idk that is my logic behind it.


u need bottle too ofc

Yeah i just mentioned it. Bottle is a must have.

hmmm now that i think about it the wraith band boost is unnecessary to get
this is a quote
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 02 2014 18:31 GMT
#105582
On May 03 2014 03:28 goody153 wrote:
to be honest i never valued quelling blade much i have always thought that early stat items are much better and getting the primary attribute stat item would just supplement the damage that qb offers.

i never buy it unless there is a NP on the enemy team.

it makes your illusions 32% better for 225 gold

that's like 1000000x more efficient than getting drums
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 02 2014 18:32 GMT
#105583
On May 03 2014 03:29 SKC wrote:
The biggest issue with QB is the stigma it got for being a noob item.

+1 Same thing applies for Sange and Yasha. And the opposite for drums. Every scrub nowadays buys drums and thinks he's Dendi because of it.
super gg
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 02 2014 18:32 GMT
#105584
On May 03 2014 03:32 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:29 SKC wrote:
The biggest issue with QB is the stigma it got for being a noob item.

+1 Same thing applies for Sange and Yasha. And the opposite for drums. Every scrub nowadays buys drums and thinks he's Dendi because of it.

And boots first
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:33:19
May 02 2014 18:32 GMT
#105585
If you can get 3 last hits in lane that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise, QB pays for itself. Don't see how that's bad unless you delayed an item you really need.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 02 2014 18:32 GMT
#105586
Stat items are better than QB for fighting heroes. The thing is, most of the heroes in question spend a significant amount of time not fighting heroes. In which case for most scenarios that involve not fighting heroes (pushing towers, killing jungle creeps), it's hard for stat items to beat QB.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:33:41
May 02 2014 18:33 GMT
#105587
I never know when to buy drums.
I always wind up buying it and selling it like 5 minutes later because im like wtf did i buy this for.
Like il buy it when im ahead for no reason and then realize i dont have money for a key item.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 02 2014 18:36 GMT
#105588
On May 03 2014 03:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
If you can get 3 last hits in lane that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise, QB pays for itself. Don't see how that's bad unless you delayed an item you really need.

It's very hard to consider things in terms of "lasthits you wouldn't have gotten" because in a contested lane, having less stats also translates into using more regen or missing lasthits cuz the other guy is stronger than you. In an uncontested lane, every lasthit should be a lasthit you should have gotten.

QB's effect on jungling and pushing speed are a lot more practical and measurable.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44292 Posts
May 02 2014 18:37 GMT
#105589
On May 03 2014 03:33 PassiveAce wrote:
I never know when to buy drums.
I always wind up buying it and selling it like 5 minutes later because im like wtf did i buy this for.
Like il buy it when im ahead for no reason and then realize i dont have money for a key item.

My reasoning in buying drums is whenever i need HP and my hero usually chases heroes and my hero is a non-spell dependent hero.

this is a quote
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
May 02 2014 18:37 GMT
#105590
So apparently Team Liquid already started their bootcamp: https://twitter.com/redbullESPORTS
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 02 2014 18:39 GMT
#105591
The one thing to be aware of now is that a lot of the time, the casual Bracer is actually just ok. A lot of the time people feel stingy about getting the casual Bracer that they'll sell an item or two later and get the full Drums cuz it feels better to get a bigger item, but sometimes what you really wanted was just the Bracer and not the Drums upgrade.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:46:28
May 02 2014 18:40 GMT
#105592
On May 03 2014 03:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
If you can get 3 last hits in lane that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise, QB pays for itself. Don't see how that's bad unless you delayed an item you really need.

It's very hard to consider things in terms of "lasthits you wouldn't have gotten" because in a contested lane, having less stats also translates into using more regen or missing lasthits cuz the other guy is stronger than you. In an uncontested lane, every lasthit should be a lasthit you should have gotten.

QB's effect on jungling and pushing speed are a lot more practical and measurable.


I don't mean in terms of a contested lane. In those instances I would prefer more regen or PMS.

In reality everyone misses CS due to human error. QB gives you a lot of leeway in that regard. Even in a trilane situation you can get denied semi-frequently by the offlaner.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
May 02 2014 18:41 GMT
#105593
On May 03 2014 03:33 PassiveAce wrote:
I never know when to buy drums.
I always wind up buying it and selling it like 5 minutes later because im like wtf did i buy this for.
Like il buy it when im ahead for no reason and then realize i dont have money for a key item.


Why would you sell drums short of being 6 slotted.
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 02 2014 18:41 GMT
#105594
On May 03 2014 03:28 Kupon3ss wrote:
Qb is good on every melee hero that hits creeps at lower skill levels

not very good on mapo
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 02 2014 18:42 GMT
#105595
For me the Drums was always a comfort item for low mana pool heroes that you won't get mana boots, like CK. May not even be the optimal build, but it's more fun not having to worry as much about being mana efficient.

Another issue with QB, and probally a big reason why people dont like it, is the player that start with it and just a set of tangoes in a weak lane and expect to do something, but that's just people doing it wrong.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:50:37
May 02 2014 18:50 GMT
#105596
On May 03 2014 03:41 Jaeger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:33 PassiveAce wrote:
I never know when to buy drums.
I always wind up buying it and selling it like 5 minutes later because im like wtf did i buy this for.
Like il buy it when im ahead for no reason and then realize i dont have money for a key item.


Why would you sell drums short of being 6 slotted.

because I buy it without thinking when I dont need it and id rather have the money for an item I do need.

Happy Bday DrPanda!
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 02 2014 18:53 GMT
#105597
On May 03 2014 03:41 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:28 Kupon3ss wrote:
Qb is good on every melee hero that hits creeps at lower skill levels

not very good on mapo

A 6k rated meepo player I watch a lot gets QB on meepo pretty early on.
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Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:55:32
May 02 2014 18:54 GMT
#105598
you are all fkn bad
pussies and supports buy regen,winners buy pro man shields
u gotta farm
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
May 02 2014 18:56 GMT
#105599
Abilitydraft in lowprio is pretty awesome, enjoying myself
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 02 2014 18:58 GMT
#105600
PMS on non-Agi melee is actually legit in some lanes.

It's a little annoying to see PMS on ranged Agi more often than PMS on melee non-Agi when I think the latter is useful more often.
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