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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:20:33
May 02 2014 18:19 GMT
#105561
It's a strong buy for any melee carry that spends a significant amount of time farming the jungle, which Naga does pretty much every game.

Being able to farm both lane and jungle at the same time is a big component in Naga getting really fast Radiance timings.
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
May 02 2014 18:20 GMT
#105562
Cloud9 out of the Summit, that sucks.

PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:21:16
May 02 2014 18:21 GMT
#105563
On May 03 2014 03:18 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:15 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:14 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:10 teddyoojo wrote:
just dont forget to buy qb ever ever

do you guys buy qb for naga ? i never brought it even once

dude wtf
yes u buy qb on naga pl

haha i thought that item was only compulsory for AM or FV

@TheYango : i did not even know about that it works on illusions lol

I always thought it was the opposite of compulsory on am and fv
at least before bfury.
I mean fv has like 60 something damage at 1
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 02 2014 18:21 GMT
#105564
well it should be no earthspirit as they got 2nd in the qualifier qualifier (how much i hate this)
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:22:41
May 02 2014 18:22 GMT
#105565
Wonder if it's a bone7 replacement or C9 replacement. Probably c9, right?
super gg
LDdota
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1465 Posts
May 02 2014 18:22 GMT
#105566
Cloud 9 replacement, sorry for the confusing tweet. They don't wanna play without full 5 heading towards #TI4.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 02 2014 18:23 GMT
#105567
i mean its before the qualifiers even started so i dont know..
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:24:10
May 02 2014 18:23 GMT
#105568
On May 03 2014 03:22 cecek wrote:
Wonder if it's a bone7 replacement or C9 replacement. Probably c9, right?

nvm
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
May 02 2014 18:24 GMT
#105569
I don't think you can get around buying a aquila anymore on naga tbh,the illusion nerf was pretty harsh.
unless you wanna just go drums i guess
u gotta farm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:26:23
May 02 2014 18:24 GMT
#105570
On May 03 2014 03:21 PassiveAce wrote:
I always thought it was the opposite of compulsory on am and fv
at least before bfury.
I mean fv has like 60 something damage at 1

In theory both of those heroes don't necessarily want to have to spend a lot of time farming jungle before their primary farming item because without it they are slow. In practice it's not inconceivable for it to be dangerous to farm lanes at some point in the game before BF where you have like Treads+RoH+Claymore--and at that point the QB is worth it because it speeds up your farming in the jungle while you wait for key heroes to appear on the map again.

Honestly it's just fine to get QB before BF so long as you need it for something that's not "easier lasthitting". Stuff like faster pushing speed and being able to jungle before BF are also valuable uses for the item, it's just that it's common to just see the item as a last-hitting crutch, which is what you need to be careful of.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 02 2014 18:24 GMT
#105571
Quelling Blade is fine on both if you can afford to skip PMS.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44292 Posts
May 02 2014 18:25 GMT
#105572
On May 03 2014 03:21 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:18 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:15 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:14 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:10 teddyoojo wrote:
just dont forget to buy qb ever ever

do you guys buy qb for naga ? i never brought it even once

dude wtf
yes u buy qb on naga pl

haha i thought that item was only compulsory for AM or FV

@TheYango : i did not even know about that it works on illusions lol

I always thought it was the opposite of compulsory on am and fv
at least before bfury.
I mean fv has like 60 something damage at 1

maybe not FV

but i know that AM must have BF + threads + aquila + qb at a certain timing to farm well.
this is a quote
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 02 2014 18:26 GMT
#105573
On May 03 2014 03:21 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:18 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:15 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:14 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:10 teddyoojo wrote:
just dont forget to buy qb ever ever

do you guys buy qb for naga ? i never brought it even once

dude wtf
yes u buy qb on naga pl

haha i thought that item was only compulsory for AM or FV

@TheYango : i did not even know about that it works on illusions lol

I always thought it was the opposite of compulsory on am and fv
at least before bfury.
I mean fv has like 60 something damage at 1

Well, you're going get it after you have the bufy, so why not buy it early? It can pay for itself, it's easier to lane control with it, etc.
super gg
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 02 2014 18:26 GMT
#105574
you dont need aquila on am wtf
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 02 2014 18:27 GMT
#105575
On May 03 2014 03:25 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:21 PassiveAce wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:18 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:15 teddyoojo wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:14 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:10 teddyoojo wrote:
just dont forget to buy qb ever ever

do you guys buy qb for naga ? i never brought it even once

dude wtf
yes u buy qb on naga pl

haha i thought that item was only compulsory for AM or FV

@TheYango : i did not even know about that it works on illusions lol

I always thought it was the opposite of compulsory on am and fv
at least before bfury.
I mean fv has like 60 something damage at 1

maybe not FV

but i know that AM must have BF + threads + aquila + qb at a certain timing to farm well.

Why aquila on am, wtf?
super gg
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 02 2014 18:27 GMT
#105576
If you are getting a Basi may as well get Vlads instead
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44292 Posts
May 02 2014 18:28 GMT
#105577
to be honest i never valued quelling blade much i have always thought that early stat items are much better and getting the primary attribute stat item would just supplement the damage that qb offers.

i never buy it unless there is a NP on the enemy team.
this is a quote
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 02 2014 18:28 GMT
#105578
On May 03 2014 03:12 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:09 Targe wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:08 goody153 wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:03 Unleashing wrote:
I don't quite understand why you'd want drum before radiance on naga, seems counterintuitive to buy an item that gives you early-midgame presence and then buy and item that lets you splitpush and farm.
Also that seems quite slow for 25 minutes + 2 towers.

I think the drums are for stats and MS makes you farm faster i think. Although i like aquila better since it's cheaper and regen boost is nice.

Shit that means practice more .. What is the normal timing for radiance rush with the aquila + boots ? not the pro timing since i'm no pro

why not both drums and aquila?

edit: if you want a shitty timing my radiance generally comes 22-27 mins depending on how much ive died but thats with drums + aquila

for me the purpose of aquila/drums are letting me farm faster. So getting the two would just slow down the radiance i think. And it's much better to get radiance faster than get both starting items. Idk that is my logic behind it.


u need bottle too ofc
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 02 2014 18:28 GMT
#105579
Qb is good on every melee hero that hits creeps at lower skill levels
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
May 02 2014 18:29 GMT
#105580
The biggest issue with QB is the stigma it got for being a noob item.
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