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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 29 2014 21:23 GMT
#105081
On April 30 2014 06:19 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:18 TheYango wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:15 Comeh wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
I still feel Urn of Shadows is actually not bad after Blink Dagger. I think Yango disagrees though ):

I'm not sure Yango has ever talked bad about urn.


By the time you finish Blink, someone else probably would have gotten it,

Well...in pubs...

I get Urn all the time on that hero, it just makes zero sense to me to delay it until after Blink, when a lot of it's usefulness for that hero comes early game when lanes haven't broken yet.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 21:23 GMT
#105082
PA's actually gotta be legit or something.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 29 2014 21:24 GMT
#105083
Now I can pick phoenix with a clear conscience
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 29 2014 21:24 GMT
#105084
On April 30 2014 06:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:19 Comeh wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:18 TheYango wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:15 Comeh wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:13 Torte de Lini wrote:
I still feel Urn of Shadows is actually not bad after Blink Dagger. I think Yango disagrees though ):

I'm not sure Yango has ever talked bad about urn.


By the time you finish Blink, someone else probably would have gotten it,

Well...in pubs...

I get Urn all the time on that hero, it just makes zero sense to me to delay it until after Blink, when a lot of it's usefulness for that hero comes early game when lanes haven't broken yet.


See for me, when I tried it a few times, it felt pretty negligible if I get it RIGHT AFTER blink dagger. I snag my first kill in the lane as I get Blink and that usually is a good tip off for a fast Urn of Shadows.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 29 2014 21:25 GMT
#105085
On April 30 2014 06:21 idonthinksobro wrote:
i'm really scared that ursa is OP now.

Honestly, its not that big of a deal. The earlier lifesteal is nice (makes jungle smooth actually, but hes still bad at it anyways), but it really only affects lategame ursa, and lategame ursa was dependent on snowballing as it were anyways. Definitely stronger, but not a huge deal.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
April 29 2014 21:25 GMT
#105086
On April 30 2014 06:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
die servers dieeee

I'm really anxious to see KOTL in pubs now :D


A kotl getting 8k gold is not something that should happen in a normal game and if he rushes aghs first he is just very squishy and has no good escape.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 21:27:46
April 29 2014 21:25 GMT
#105087
If your first kill has to wait till after your Blink, you're doing it wrong.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 29 2014 21:25 GMT
#105088
I am so scared guys, everything seems op.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 21:26 GMT
#105089
On April 30 2014 06:25 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
die servers dieeee

I'm really anxious to see KOTL in pubs now :D


A kotl getting 8k gold is not something that should happen in a normal game and if he rushes aghs first he is just very squishy and has no good escape.

Wat KotL is a farming machine tho
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 29 2014 21:26 GMT
#105090
On April 30 2014 06:25 TheYango wrote:
If your first kill has to wait till after your Blink, you're doing it wrong.


true, but sometimes it just doens't happen.

If I am snagging kills before I get blink; doesn't that further the point that I have a window to get both Blink & Urn?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
April 29 2014 21:26 GMT
#105091
On April 30 2014 06:25 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:21 idonthinksobro wrote:
i'm really scared that ursa is OP now.

Honestly, its not that big of a deal. The earlier lifesteal is nice (makes jungle smooth actually, but hes still bad at it anyways), but it really only affects lategame ursa, and lategame ursa was dependent on snowballing as it were anyways. Definitely stronger, but not a huge deal.


the only problem ursa has is staying close to his opponents. He now can get mom or skadi in addition to the blink and it is literally impossible to get away from him.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 21:30:20
April 29 2014 21:28 GMT
#105092
On April 30 2014 06:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:25 TheYango wrote:
If your first kill has to wait till after your Blink, you're doing it wrong.


true, but sometimes it just doens't happen.

If I am snagging kills before I get blink; doesn't that further the point that I have a window to get both Blink & Urn?

Urn works out best in those scrappy games where you don't get to just farm Blink but are constantly fighting, so you grab the Urn to keep you and your team in fighting shape longer while also boosting your combat effectiveness with the extra nuke and strength boost.

If you just get to farm a Blink, you get the Blink and then go for a bigger item, because the game's probably no longer in the stage where you have those small scrappy fights where Urn excels. At that point you want a bigger item that is more suitable for the larger fights you're likely to have at that stage of the game.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 21:29 GMT
#105093
On April 30 2014 06:26 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:25 Comeh wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:21 idonthinksobro wrote:
i'm really scared that ursa is OP now.

Honestly, its not that big of a deal. The earlier lifesteal is nice (makes jungle smooth actually, but hes still bad at it anyways), but it really only affects lategame ursa, and lategame ursa was dependent on snowballing as it were anyways. Definitely stronger, but not a huge deal.


the only problem ursa has is staying close to his opponents. He now can get mom or skadi in addition to the blink and it is literally impossible to get away from him.

I mean he could have got SnY or Atos or Purge stick before for the same move speed and slow.

Ursa's simply not OP now lol.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 29 2014 21:29 GMT
#105094
On April 30 2014 06:26 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:25 Comeh wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:21 idonthinksobro wrote:
i'm really scared that ursa is OP now.

Honestly, its not that big of a deal. The earlier lifesteal is nice (makes jungle smooth actually, but hes still bad at it anyways), but it really only affects lategame ursa, and lategame ursa was dependent on snowballing as it were anyways. Definitely stronger, but not a huge deal.


the only problem ursa has is staying close to his opponents. He now can get mom or skadi in addition to the blink and it is literally impossible to get away from him.

He can get MoM and Skadi actually.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 29 2014 21:30 GMT
#105095
at lv6 you can taunt twice and dunk twice with no items, 3~4 times with a stick
at lv11 you can taunt twice and dunk twice with no items, 3~4 times with a stick
i can't imagine needing more than that
one point in hunger is nice to chase people down when you gank (or in lane) but hunger max really mediocre compared to spin>taunt>stats
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 29 2014 21:31 GMT
#105096
On April 26 2014 11:37 FinestHour wrote:
brace yourselves
out with tb
in with huskar lich ursa everywhere every game

thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 29 2014 21:31 GMT
#105097
i can't wait to watch visage vs lich fails of the week
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 29 2014 21:33 GMT
#105098
On April 30 2014 06:28 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 06:26 Torte de Lini wrote:
On April 30 2014 06:25 TheYango wrote:
If your first kill has to wait till after your Blink, you're doing it wrong.


true, but sometimes it just doens't happen.

If I am snagging kills before I get blink; doesn't that further the point that I have a window to get both Blink & Urn?

Urn works out best in those scrappy games where you don't get to just farm Blink but are constantly fighting, so you grab the Urn to keep you and your team in fighting shape longer while also boosting your combat effectiveness with the extra nuke and strength boost.

If you just get to farm a Blink, you get the Blink and then go for a bigger item, because the game's probably no longer in the stage where you have those small scrappy fights where Urn excels. At that point you want a bigger item that is more suitable for the larger fights you're likely to have at that stage of the game.


I mean with Blink Dagger, you can go on a crazy killing spree. But we still suffer from the manna issue. What can you get that is relatively cheap; offers some mana regen (and a bonus: it heals!)

The strength boost is my personal reassurance; but vit.orb is good.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 21:36:46
April 29 2014 21:34 GMT
#105099
Urn's mana regen is somewhere between irrelevant and nonexistant on a hero with int as poor as axes. Unfortunately. Okay its helpful but pretty miniscule.

TRUST ME DEAD9 UR NOT DUNKING ENOUGH.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 29 2014 21:35 GMT
#105100
Get like a Basilius if you are that worried about so little mana regen
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