• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:14
CEST 15:14
KST 22:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call7[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!19Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week1Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Looking 4 Yaroslav: Enemy, Korchagin, WCG, Ukraine 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group E Escore Tournament - Season 3 [ASL22] Ro24 Group D [ASL22] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Tinkering with Home Serv…
Muhammad142
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3795 users

General Discussion - Page 5225

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5223 5224 5225 5226 5227 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
April 25 2014 11:47 GMT
#104481
On April 25 2014 19:43 TheEmulator wrote:
So Na`Vi is attending DH Bucharest with only Dendi/Xboct. They will play as the "Fluffy Bears" with 3 standins, lol

I would say that the prize pool was high enough than I realized that first place is like 25k for literally 3 bo3

maybe they rally are all sick or tired
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 25 2014 11:51 GMT
#104482
Maybe Dendi and Xboct just wanted to go but the rest didn't/couldn't.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 25 2014 11:53 GMT
#104483
maybe they join reddits protest of gd studio!
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
April 25 2014 11:56 GMT
#104484
On April 25 2014 20:51 SKC wrote:
Maybe Dendi and Xboct just wanted to go but the rest didn't/couldn't.

health problems according to navi management
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
cupoftealove
Profile Joined August 2012
325 Posts
April 25 2014 11:58 GMT
#104485
On April 25 2014 20:53 teddyoojo wrote:
maybe they join reddits protest of gd studio!


Today it's Zyori and BTS's turn.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
April 25 2014 12:00 GMT
#104486
On April 25 2014 20:56 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 20:51 SKC wrote:
Maybe Dendi and Xboct just wanted to go but the rest didn't/couldn't.

health problems according to navi management

According to the Management. Hope they're okay.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
April 25 2014 12:58 GMT
#104487
I've been winning lately since playing WK.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 25 2014 13:01 GMT
#104488
reporting everyone doesnt work anymore apparently
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
April 25 2014 13:06 GMT
#104489
On April 25 2014 18:02 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2014 14:39 Firebolt145 wrote:
He took it to 5.2k IIRC.

He took it to 5.4k from 2.9k, his overall score in those games was 122-22. That's pretty impressive, imo. I expected him to struggle way more, especially in 4.5k+, but he still had like a 80% from that point to his goal. 5.4k was apparently the lowest he hit on his main account, so he chose it as his goal for the experiment.

http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1398477


That is very interesting and inspiring.. what he said really applies to how I view the people I usually play with:

Summary: 4017 - 4509 within 29 games (24-5, 83% win rate), some minor upsets but nothing drastical. I'm really starting to dislike this rating range because people are defeatist, egotistical, they think they're very good at the game and try to tutor everybody else (why do they all think they're smarter than the other people at their rating, sigh), they whine and cry from beginning, try to force their item choices and opinions onto others (which are wrong most of the time) and generally are their own worst enemy and the reason they sit there. Games are generally unenjoyable, everybody seems to be fed up with dota here and while people can get annoying at higher ratings I can assure you it's nothing close to this. People who random heroes are generally -1 in the team as they won't repick even something that they can't play (earth spirit from my slark game) and then will just proceed to feed and be useless all game long. People also tend to tunnel vision a lot and die before using their spells or in extremely dumb ways, laning and farming ability slowly starts to get decent, however game sense is still low.


But regardless he still manages to win, so that's not the main problem. Awesome! Thanks guys
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 25 2014 13:32 GMT
#104490
There is another arrogant guy who manage to stay in 3.8K MMR(He was 2.7K in his main for quite long time) after 50ish games also he lost around 200 MMR since the beginning(he took it form another). It'll take some time for sure for him to drop but he is the epitome of being bad and carried by others. Btw, he thinks he is good enough to stay in that bracket.

Juice(first guy did the experiment) is a very very good player with 6K(afaik) MMR and it is totally expected for him to stomp on any players below 5K.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 13:36:53
April 25 2014 13:36 GMT
#104491
There are a number of people doing that 'experiment' as well. I don't think any of them have stayed even at 40% win rate. I'll try to find the reddit post though.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
April 25 2014 13:39 GMT
#104492
I think there's one guy who played a lot of treant and just tried his best not to feed every game. He didn't lose that many points iirc. Which is to be expected.

If you just realize how terrible you are at dota you're gonna climb in mmr. Yet in these experiments so many people just keep believing they deserve a higher rating and blame everything and everyone but themselves.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 13:47:07
April 25 2014 13:44 GMT
#104493
Step one is having fun. You should just play whatever you are having fun with and are comfortable with. In -ap, I find the best thing to do is just insta pick the hero I want to play instead of trying to counterpick the other team's heroes, or w/e.

e: If you're having fun playing different heroes all the time or randoming, then do that for sure. But playing something just to raise your MMR is awful I think and will just make you hate dota.
super gg
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
April 25 2014 13:47 GMT
#104494
The problem is you have to play a hero that can carry the game if you cant rely on your mates. I dont expect Juice to have played one support hero during that run (obviously). Still, nice experiment and hopefully it will shut some whiners up
This is our town, scrub
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 13:51:33
April 25 2014 13:51 GMT
#104495
you always rely on your teammates, you cant play solo
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 25 2014 14:01 GMT
#104496
On April 25 2014 22:51 zezamer wrote:
you always rely on your teammates, you cant play solo


Juice doesn't rely at all. Picked snowball or carry, stomp plebs , go 1v5 and win. There is a significant pattern on his play and he already accepted that.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
April 25 2014 14:02 GMT
#104497
On April 25 2014 22:39 Andre wrote:
I think there's one guy who played a lot of treant and just tried his best not to feed every game. He didn't lose that many points iirc. Which is to be expected.

If you just realize how terrible you are at dota you're gonna climb in mmr. Yet in these experiments so many people just keep believing they deserve a higher rating and blame everything and everyone but themselves.


Found the thread

http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1409043

And his Dotabuff:

http://dotabuff.com/players/71868908/matches?page=4

He hasn't played in a while and his win rate has been steadily dropping. Everyone in the thread is commenting about how he's either useless or one of the reasons his team loses every game. Essentially he's playing not to lose rather than playing to win and because of that he 'can' win occastionally.

His Treant Protector and Nyx are the only things keeping him up. Most everything else he plays he just feeds on.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-25 14:15:24
April 25 2014 14:02 GMT
#104498
like messi cant win games solo he needs sometimes to pass the ball to a lesser talented player
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
April 25 2014 14:26 GMT
#104499
Juice didn't need to rely on his teammates, becasue he knew for a fact that he was several orders of magnitude better than anyone else in his matches. But that doesn't mean that you should take that concept and apply it to your pubbing. You're not going to be outskilling other payers in your match significantly. There are exceptions of course, you might be stacking with a much lower MMR player, or maybe you improved A LOT by playing private matches/unranked, etc. But if you're just playing solo queue, it makes no sense.
super gg
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 25 2014 14:36 GMT
#104500
I wonder who drafts for Fluffy Bears.

Dendi is rarely involved with the draft (other than begging for pudge huehuehue) and I dont think xbox is much either. Did one of Arise/Zizou draft for Kaipi back in the day?
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Prev 1 5223 5224 5225 5226 5227 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
11:00
2026 GSTL: Main Stage Day 2
IntoTheiNu 1023
CranKy Ducklings SOOP235
Solar (SOOP)107
SHIN 38
Rex33
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Solar (SOOP) 107
SHIN 38
Rex 33
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 3669
Soulkey 2188
Stork 569
BeSt 492
Killer 478
Soma 389
PianO 217
Pusan 139
Rush 137
Snow 121
[ Show more ]
Sharp 116
hero 102
Mind 71
Hm[arnc] 70
Sea.KH 67
Hyun 56
Barracks 47
[sc1f]eonzerg 45
Aegong 42
910 29
soO 23
zelot 18
Free 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
SilentControl 12
Shine 11
NaDa 11
yabsab 11
Icarus 9
Rock 1
Dota 2
qojqva3028
Dendi1979
Pyrionflax126
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1644
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King81
Other Games
Gorgc3304
B2W.Neo806
hiko649
crisheroes368
Lowko360
byalli225
ToD202
Beastyqt175
ArmadaUGS68
Liquid`VortiX61
QueenE32
Chillindude18
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2704
• TFBlade639
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
10h 46m
Afreeca Starleague
20h 46m
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Replay Cast
1d 10h
The PondCast
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-24
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.